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by Snowball
23 Jan 2009 13:17
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

Its easy to have a high goals per minute ratio when you hardly play any minutes. That is so DUMB! He has to SCORE the damn goals, and he does. 20 starts, 11 goals, and a very decent goals-per-minute People go on and on and on about Lita yet he has scored 11-7-1-1, a mere 9 goals more than Long But ...
by Snowball
23 Jan 2009 13:01
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

Now I quite like a bit of research and evidence to back up a point....but...Snowball, do you have either of a) a job, or b) a life?


I'm a writer, at home and I like being outnumbered. You're all blinkered.
by Snowball
23 Jan 2009 13:00
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

You can't include assists snowball, as discussed on the 'Assists' thread on this board, there are more facets to an assist than making the final pass, or getting fouled. Rubbish!They've been doing it every day arguing Steve Hunt's case. Fabregas scores, say, five in a full season, but makes 20 goal...
by Snowball
23 Jan 2009 12:57
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

If Shane Long had been so great in 4 years SC would have considering him good enough to start regularly. Doesn't follow. He has to be BETTER than Kitson-Doyle-Lita-Hunt etc just like a woman has to be BETTER than a man to get the job. Start Season 1, 18 years old. Picked as a long-term prospect, no...
by Snowball
23 Jan 2009 12:46
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

You're still ignoring my question snowball, as to how many points Long's goals have directly earned us. Edit: I worked it out (didn't take long). Without Long's goals we would be 6 points worse off over the last 3.5 seasons. That's just DUMB. He has won us far more 01 Southampton away (scored) 03 N...
by Snowball
23 Jan 2009 12:38
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

Skyline You do have to wonder, if Long is as good as Snowball says he is, why have no other teams been in for him.


How do you know they haven't?

I think the Ireland squad have been in for him a few times, and didn't he score two versus Denmark?
by Snowball
23 Jan 2009 12:37
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

As you are focusing on goals, snowball, how many league points have Long's goals directly earned us? What you are not taking into account is that, irrespective of Long's actual goals per minute, if our forward line is not as effective overall (with the ball at feet, in the air, holding up play etc)...
by Snowball
23 Jan 2009 11:49
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

There's a thing called "salience and relevance" that causes people to make errors of judgment. Lita came for decent money. His first season he started 22 times and came on as sub 4 times but this is a season where Reading broke all sorts of records and amassed 106 points. Lita played 22 ga...
by Snowball
23 Jan 2009 11:10
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

However, if you ignore goals scored for other teams: Long>Torres but that would be just silly wouldn't it? Don't talk wet. Torres for Liverpool 44 League Appearances, 29 goals, 1 goal every 1.5 league games BUT If you INCLUDE all the teams Lita has played for since joining Reading, these are his cr...
by Snowball
22 Jan 2009 22:56
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

cmonurz God, I thought I loved stats. :shock:



I love the truth.
by Snowball
22 Jan 2009 22:56
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

Ian, I am simply making the point that Long has played so very few games, and such a small total of minutes and yet has scored 11 league goals. I think one league down in the right kind of team he'd get near a goal a game. I think he is EASILY a 20-goal a season player at this level IF HE STARTS Wha...
by Snowball
22 Jan 2009 21:36
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

shane long has been given numerous chances by coppell and has not taken any 19 League starts in 3 seasons is "numerous chances"? this is his 4th season with us now It may be "his fourth season" in your eyes... but he debut'd in December 28 2006 so it's actually just THREE season...
by Snowball
22 Jan 2009 19:50
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

I think the best thing for Long would be to look for first team football elsewhere. He's not a championship player as he simply is not good enough to command a regular role in the first team. I agree he's not a championship player. He's a premiership player You merely saying "he's not good eno...
by Snowball
22 Jan 2009 18:05
Forum: The Team
Topic: Anyone Noticed Our run-in?
Replies: 50
Views: 6821

Re: Anyone Noticed Our run-in?

Bizarre logic. I don't think its very likely that Reading will lose three in a row. Not "bizarre" at all. we lost LLL, twice last season, and LLLLLLLL once We got a PASTING at Swansea. Not the result, the way we played and were outplayed. And we lost at Cardiff... Could quickly be 3 defea...
by Snowball
22 Jan 2009 17:55
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

Neither of those actually tell you who's the better team or player though, it just shows who'd amassed more points or scored more goals over the season (the table never lies is a cliche that has some weight behind it admittedly, but it's still only a measure of performance not ability As far as I a...
by Snowball
22 Jan 2009 17:49
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

None of which makes a blind bit of difference to Long's ability to control a ball or hold off a defender. This is plain daft. Some players are LUMPS but they keep putting it in the net. Shane Long's scoring rate is respectable. For a bit-part sub it's brilliant. He should get more time either with ...
by Snowball
22 Jan 2009 17:39
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

Basically, what I'm getting at is that there is only one way to judge a player, or a team for that matter, and that is with your own eyes not a load of statistics. Disagree. What about "total points in a season"? That's a statistic. What about the league's top-scorer? That's a statistic. ...
by Snowball
22 Jan 2009 17:10
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

Don't forget the 106 Point Season is a bit of a distortion How about the Premiership Only? Starts-Sub-"Games"-Goals 62-06 (63) -- 19 Goals = 1 goal every 3.16 games Kevin DOYLE 16-34 (19) -- 05 Goals = 1 goal every 4.00 games Shane LONG 32-15 (34) -- 08 Goals = 1 goal every 4.25 game Leroy...
by Snowball
22 Jan 2009 16:53
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

And over the last 4 seasons? Last Four Seasons Combined I LOVE this!! LEAGUE (dividing subs appearances by 10 = games) GOALS 022 Starts 05 Sub = 022 Games 10 Goals Scoring Rate 2.20 Noel Hunt 020 Starts 64 Sub = 026 Games 11 Goals Scoring Rate 2.36 LONG 131 Starts 10 Sub = 132 Games 54 Goals Scorin...
by Snowball
22 Jan 2009 16:12
Forum: The Team
Topic: Shane Long
Replies: 1471
Views: 80414

Re: Shane Long

Last two seasons Long v Lita LONG Minutes played, goals 0673 3 0828 3 1501 6 TOTAL That is Long scored 1 goal every 250 minutes, that is "1 goal every two and-three-quarter games" LITA Minutes played, goals 0893 1 0284 1 1177 2 TOTAL That is Lita scored 1 goal every 588.5 minutes, that is ...
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