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[Ian Royal]

Do you not think this is a pretty pointless debate given surely you'd expect a penalty to be given every time for that. And that refs rarely take into account arms being where they are for balance when they're still relatively close to the body, let alone in star jump mode.

I happen to think his arms didn't need to be that widely spread for his balance. Should they have been at his side? Obviously not. The point is its a shocking decision from the ref.

[Snowball]

Do you not think this is a pretty pointless debate given surely you'd expect a penalty to be given every time for that. And that refs rarely take into account arms being where they are for balance when they're still relatively close to the body, let alone in star jump mode.

I happen to think his arms didn't need to be that widely spread for his balance. Should they have been at his side? Obviously not. The point is its a shocking decision from the ref.

and yet the DONCASTER MANAGER said it wasn't a penalty.

[SLAMMED]

I didn't realise the Doncaster manager was refereeing the game?

[Snowball]

I didn't realise the Doncaster manager was refereeing the game?

The you should pay more attention

[ZacNaloen]

Do you not think this is a pretty pointless debate given surely you'd expect a penalty to be given every time for that. And that refs rarely take into account arms being where they are for balance when they're still relatively close to the body, let alone in star jump mode.

I happen to think his arms didn't need to be that widely spread for his balance. Should they have been at his side? Obviously not. The point is its a shocking decision from the ref.

I happen to think that if you take into account the movement he was in the middle of making when the ball was smashed into his hand his hands needed to be there, if they weren't there it would have compromised his balance and he would have had no chance of blocking any shot.

Personally I think it's a shocking decision everytime a ref gives ball-to-hand as a foul, but thats clearly just me these days.

[Snowball]

I would like consistency.

I wouldn't object to a law that said that if the ball fully strikes the hand
whether ball to hand or intentional, it's a penalty.

I'd only give discretion for ball-to-arm.

That way players know they HAVE TO get their hands out of the way.

Maybe players would play for it, but so what, it works both ways.

[The Surgeon of Crowthorne]

IMO the rule should be if you gain an advantage from the ball hitting the hand or arm, whether or not it's intentional.

And since handballs should only be given for intent, why aren't they all automatic yellow cards?

[Snowball]

IMO the rule should be if you gain an advantage from the ball hitting the hand or arm, whether or not it's intentional.

And since handballs should only be given for intent, why aren't they all automatic yellow cards?

Fair enough.

If a player deliberately handles but it's still a goal, should he be sent off, the goal awarded and another penalty given?

In basketball if you're fouled as you score, you get the points PLUS a free shot.

[brendywendy]

Do you not think this is a pretty pointless debate given surely you'd expect a penalty to be given every time for that. And that refs rarely take into account arms being where they are for balance when they're still relatively close to the body, let alone in star jump mode.

I happen to think his arms didn't need to be that widely spread for his balance. Should they have been at his side? Obviously not. The point is its a shocking decision from the ref.

his arms arent out to stop a ball though, they are out to keep him upright during sudden change in direction.
in those circumstances- ball smashed from close range, he had a split second to react. imo it should never be a penalty, unless the player moves his hand towards the ball to gain an advantage.and it would have been a shocking decision if he'd given it.
but there we go, its a game of opinions etc

[Snowball]

My problem with all this is, as said, inconsistency

Being relegated from the Prem by a pen given or not given
or going up/just missing for the same reason, at 50 million
quid a throw, I'd rather a cast-iron rule, with virtually no leeway

When the pass-back to the keeper rule came in, we learned to deal with it
and it's added another dimension to the game.

if we brought in a "Draconian" penalty rule, the players would adapt

[watfordroyal]

Hey, stop complaining,

It's a decision back in our favour after the two blatant, deliberate handballs
v Leeds & v Swansea that we didn't get.
They still owe us

[Snowball]

Can we have the second payback in the 94th minute of the Play-Off final, please?

[Ian Royal]

Do you not think this is a pretty pointless debate given surely you'd expect a penalty to be given every time for that. And that refs rarely take into account arms being where they are for balance when they're still relatively close to the body, let alone in star jump mode.

I happen to think his arms didn't need to be that widely spread for his balance. Should they have been at his side? Obviously not. The point is its a shocking decision from the ref.

I happen to think that if you take into account the movement he was in the middle of making when the ball was smashed into his hand his hands needed to be there, if they weren't there it would have compromised his balance and he would have had no chance of blocking any shot.

Personally I think it's a shocking decision everytime a ref gives ball-to-hand as a foul, but thats clearly just me these days.

I think it's unfair if you clearly gain advantage from the ball hitting a part of the body it shouldn't be touching. Tbh the deliberate rule is definitely shit as there is so much room for confusion and inconsistency.

I completely agree with Crowthorne. If it hits an arm and that player / team gains an advantage it should be a foul - circumstances could dictate direct / indirect, but at least that first bit is clear. Yellow if it's obviously deliberate.

[sandman]

Can we have the second payback in the 94th minute of the Play-Off final, please?

You obviously haven't been a Reading fan for long otherwise you'd know that the 94th minute is usually when the other team score in the Play-Off final.

[Snowball]

Can we have the second payback in the 94th minute of the Play-Off final, please?

You obviously haven't been a Reading fan for long otherwise you'd know that the 94th minute is usually when the other team score in the Play-Off final.

THIS SEASON in league games we haven't let in a goal later than the 77th minute.

[Elmer Park]

I agree with those that said all we want in consistancy. Whichever way the Law is interpreted there will be perceived injustices so I am happy if referees ALL applied the letter of the Law and only blew for what they perceive to be a deliberate handball. Then we all have to accept situations like the Ivar one of it goes against our team and treat it like we do when the ball hits the post for example.

I am almost equally happy if ALL referees were told to award a free kick or penalty if a player handles the ball accidentally or deliberately but would only want a yellow or red card shown if the referee deems it deliberate.

What I don't want is the current situation where some referees follow the first interpretation I mentioned and others follow the other. We will never eliminate refereeing errors or an individual's view of what is serious foul play because every challenge in a game is different but I honestly think with handball the authorities should be able to get as near to consistancy as is humanly possible. We are a million miles from that at the moment.

[Ian Royal]

Can we have the second payback in the 94th minute of the Play-Off final, please?

You obviously haven't been a Reading fan for long otherwise you'd know that the 94th minute is usually when the other team score in the Play-Off final.

I'm not sure I could face another play off final where we're one goal ahead with most of the game gone.

[sandman]

Can we have the second payback in the 94th minute of the Play-Off final, please?

You obviously haven't been a Reading fan for long otherwise you'd know that the 94th minute is usually when the other team score in the Play-Off final.

THIS SEASON in league games we haven't let in a goal later than the 77th minute.

Doesn't matter. The play-offs are a lottery and we never have the bonus ball. You like stats so here's one for you - we have lost 100% of the Play-off finals we've been in.

[Ian Royal]

Consider play offs as a whole rather than just finals and in the last 15 years we've failed in 4 out of 4. Still, made the final half the time.

But then we've limped into them rather than surged into them at least once, possibly more.