Harte is Rubbish, not good enough for the Championship

[Snowball]

You lot amuse me. Harte hasn't just scored 4 goals in eight league games,
two goals in 4 league games at Championship level

He ALSO scored 18 goals last season in 59 appearances.

For a full-back or centre-back that is absolutely remarkable.


but the point is, too many of the usual blinkered moaners on this list said;

(a) He won't even get CLOSE to scoring at lat season's rate.

(b) He is TOO SLOW TO PLAY LEFT-BACK

(c) He is no longer good enough for Championship level


(a) Well, currently he is EXCEEDING last season's scoring rate
(b) He is clearly NOT too slow to play at left-back, and was this weekend picked in Championship team of the Week
(c) He is being picked every game over a player who was near ever-present in the Championship last year.


Most of you lot just argue for the sake of it, and simply, you are WRONG, just like most of you were wrong over Kebe
and it may well be that most of you were wrong over Cummings, too.

[Snowball]

When he signed, I thought it was a decent signing, I thought he could be similar to Griffin.

However, how he got into the team of the week for Saturday is beyond me!! We had 24 corners and every one he took didnt beat the first man. His performance was glossed by a freekick with a crumbling wall in front of him!

just not true, it was 50-50, though most that did cleared everyone, not just the 1st man

(a) Maybe it was the manager's instruction to play a lot of near-post corners

(b) His job is also to keep a clean sheet, which he did.

(c) It's his job to play quality ball from defence. He did.

(d) How many times did he get beat by their right-winger?

(e) He SCORED, and a crucial, game-defining goal, too.

[Hoop Blah]

You lot amuse me. Harte hasn't just scored 4 goals in eight league games,
two goals in 4 league games at Championship level

He ALSO scored 18 goals last season in 59 appearances.

For a full-back or centre-back that is absolutely remarkable.


but the point is, too many of the usual blinkered moaners on this list said;

(a) He won't even get CLOSE to scoring at lat season's rate.

(b) He is TOO SLOW TO PLAY LEFT-BACK

(c) He is no longer good enough for Championship level


(a) Well, currently he is EXCEEDING last season's scoring rate
(b) He is clearly NOT too slow to play at left-back, and was this weekend picked in Championship team of the Week
(c) He is being picked every game over a player who was near ever-present in the Championship last year.


Most of you lot just argue for the sake of it, and simply, you are WRONG, just like most of you were wrong over Kebe
and it may well be that most of you were wrong over Cummings, too.

It's not 'absolutley remarkable' when you take all the free kicks and penalties though. It doesn't matter what position you play in if all your goals come from those set pieces.

He'll do ok for us I'm sure, but even in the few games he's already played he's still proved to be a little shaky when defending. He's better than Williams yes, and so in that sense he'll be a good cheap purchase, but his positives so far have basically been those even the neigh'sayers were saying he'd be good for (his free kicks and technical ability).

As for not being too slow, I have no idea why getting in some rags team of the week has any bearing on that opinion. He probably isn't too slow as such, but we'll see over the next 6 months how well he copes as a 33 year old (not that I'm saying he'll fail).

As for being picked over and above Williams...it was Willaims inability to fit into our side that made McDermott buy him. Of course he'll be played after seeing how poor Williams had been.

He's done well so far, so fair play to him for that, he's only played a few games though, so lets not get too carried away.

[From Despair To Where?]

You lot amuse me. Harte hasn't just scored 4 goals in eight league games,
two goals in 4 league games at Championship level

He ALSO scored 18 goals last season in 59 appearances.

For a full-back or centre-back that is absolutely remarkable.


but the point is, too many of the usual blinkered moaners on this list said;

(a) He won't even get CLOSE to scoring at lat season's rate.

(b) He is TOO SLOW TO PLAY LEFT-BACK

(c) He is no longer good enough for Championship level


(a) Well, currently he is EXCEEDING last season's scoring rate
(b) He is clearly NOT too slow to play at left-back, and was this weekend picked in Championship team of the Week
(c) He is being picked every game over a player who was near ever-present in the Championship last year.


Most of you lot just argue for the sake of it, and simply, you are WRONG, just like most of you were wrong over Kebe
and it may well be that most of you were wrong over Cummings, too.

I for one never said he was a crap signing, there was always going to be a question mark over Armstrong's return to fitness and we needed options at left back so he was a decent cheap option with the added plus in the light of Gylfi leaving of being decent at set pieces.

Where I disagree with you is your continued insistance on quoting statistics as the oracle of unquestionable truth when by and large, they are utterly meaningless and you can use exactly the same statistics could be used to make a contrary point.

Steve Bruce was Manchester Utd's top goalscorer in the league in 1991. All that proves is they won a lot of penalties.

[seahawk10]

You lot amuse me. Harte hasn't just scored 4 goals in eight league games,
two goals in 4 league games at Championship level

He ALSO scored 18 goals last season in 59 appearances.

For a full-back or centre-back that is absolutely remarkable.

I love Snowball. I think he is spot on and his stats add quite a bit to this site. Stats may not tell the entire story but it adds to the discussion. Everyone please re-consider making Mr. Harte HNA's latest whipping boy. Keep up the good work snowball you have my full RTG support.

[URZZ]

You lot amuse me. Harte hasn't just scored 4 goals in eight league games,
two goals in 4 league games at Championship level

He ALSO scored 18 goals last season in 59 appearances.

For a full-back or centre-back that is absolutely remarkable.

Those 18 were scored from centre-back as well.

This man's a legend.

[Mike Hunt]

You lot amuse me. Harte hasn't just scored 4 goals in eight league games,
two goals in 4 league games at Championship level

He ALSO scored 18 goals last season in 59 appearances.

For a full-back or centre-back that is absolutely remarkable.

Those 18 were scored from centre-back as well.

This man's a legend.

You talking about Snowman? I agree.. Legend.

Ian Harte is a lengend also, but his goals to games ratio is on the down. 2 in 5 now...

[Snowball]

Since "Thousand Year Old" Harte has joined us he's played 5 games

FOUR CLEAN SHEETS.

[URZZ]

You lot amuse me. Harte hasn't just scored 4 goals in eight league games,
two goals in 4 league games at Championship level

He ALSO scored 18 goals last season in 59 appearances.

For a full-back or centre-back that is absolutely remarkable.

Those 18 were scored from centre-back as well.

This man's a legend.

You talking about Snowman? I agree.. Legend.

Ian Harte is a lengend also, but his goals to games ratio is on the down. 2 in 5 now...

Yes of course, Snowman.

[Ryn]

Harte can't score goals while taking corners. If we continue to use him to deliver the ball instead of heading it in, he is going to get nowhere near 18 goals this year.

In fact, if his set piece delivery continues as it has done so far, he will be lucky to get to 10 goals.

And I'll happily buy you a beer Snowball if I'm proven wrong.

[Gordons Cumming]

Ian Harte is a lengend also, but his goals to games ratio is on the down. 2 in 5 now...

...........and Church's ratio is on the up.

[Sarah Star]

Church is SJM's favourite player... according to Andrew Peach anyway.

[Royal With Cheese]

Church is SJM's favourite player... according to Andrew Peach anyway.

Probably because he didn't cost anything.

[Snowball]

Harte can't score goals while taking corners. If we continue to use him to deliver the ball instead of heading it in, he is going to get nowhere near 18 goals this year.

In fact, if his set piece delivery continues as it has done so far, he will be lucky to get to 10 goals.

And I'll happily buy you a beer Snowball if I'm proven wrong.

He's on 2 in 5 and there are 37 games to go.... that's 14 more he could get in 35 games (2 spare games) (plus some cup games)

2 for Carlisle, 2 already for us = 4, add 14 = 18 with two games spare and the cup

Of course that's if he plays all the games. He played about 60 last season for his 18 goals.

[Snowball]

Incidentally, I've never said he WILL get 18 goals.

I said he got 18 for Carlisle and there was a decent chance of half that

And some more goals from whoever takes Gylfi's position

[Snowball]

Steve Bruce was Manchester Utd's top goalscorer in the league in 1991. All that proves is they won a lot of penalties.




NOT CORRECT. It also shows that Bruce took the penalties and scored a lot of them.

And guess what? He probably took them BECAUSE HE WAS BETTER AT CONVERTING THEM. That's a skill.

[Ryn]

If he scores more than 10 goals this season (bearing in mind he is already on 4) I will buy you a beer Snowball.

[Snowball]

He will if he's a virtual ever-present


Mac is getting a selection problem now.


Armstrong or Harte at left-back (Williams temporarily third choice)

Pearce, Kish, Mills, Harte for CB? and Ingi is almost back...

Can we find room for HRK who seems to be improving?

Who plays midfield from Karacan, Tabb, Howard, Armstrong, Gunnarson, McAnuff, Taylor, (HRK)

Who plays RB when Griffin is fit?


We have 5 challenging for 2 CB places.
Two good LBs and two good RBs, plus Williams who I'm sure will come good.
We seem to have 9 players available for the 5 in 4-5-1
Kebe, Karacan, Tabb, Howard, Armstrong, Gunnarson, McAnuff, Taylor, Antonio

And 3 players (at least) fighting for the lone-striker role

[Hoop Blah]

There's no doubt that Harte is a reliable penalty taker, and an excellent free kick specialist who has the ability to chip in with a decent number of goals from around the box.

That doesn't make him the best defender we've got though. It might be that the advantage of having his set piece skills outweigh any possible weaknesses he has when defending, but that won't really become apparent until he's played more than the current handful of games.

It would be interesting to see what the breakdown of his goals for Carlisle is. How many were pens, free kicks, headers from corners etc and how many were from open play (I'd suspect one or two at most really).

[mzungu_royal]

Agreed with Chicago on this. You guys like to choose a newbie and then slam him into the ground. GIVE HIM A BLOODY BREAK. Snowball's stats are quality, the man stays up all night (just a guess) to give you stats. When will you guys realise, that players NEED time to bed. Once he's played more games, then you can assess how good is. If he fails to meet the high standards of all the people who believe they are better at choosing a team because of Football Manager experience, then you can slag him off, but GIVE HARTE TIME.
that's all