Team Stats

[Snowball]

Column 1 Goals (score = 1)
Column 2 Hit Woodwork (scored as a half)
Column 3 Assist (score = 1)
Column 4 Columns 1+2+3
Column 5 Total Minutes Played
Column 6 Minutes per Goal
Column 7 Minutes per Goal/Assist/Hit WW combined

I am scoring shots that hit the woodwork as "half-a-goal" simply to show players
who are involved in chances/strikes on goal. Also showing "half-assists" where
a second player was clearly involved in the making of a goal, as was Griffin's
assistance to Kebe for the cross to Manset v Millwall.

Last Column (eg HRK "every 43 minutes played", shows Goal (1), Hit Woodwork (.5), assist (1), or secondary assist (.5) )

The lower the number the more productive (attacking-wise) is the player.


1 0 0.0 1.0 069 069 069 HRK
2 0 0.0 2.0 158 079 079 Manset
0 1 2.0 2.5 270 999 108 Kebe

1 0 0.0 0.0 248 248 248 Hunt
0 0 1.0 1.0 270 999 270 Harte
0 1 0.0 0.5 270 999 540 McAnuff
0 0 0.5 0.5 180 999 360 Griffin

0 0 0.0 0.0 240 999 999 Karacan
0 0 0.0 0.0 270 999 999 L'wood
0 0 0.0 0.0 270 999 999 Khumalo
0 0 0.5 0.0 270 999 540 Pearce
0 0 0.0 0.0 008 999 999 Howard
0 0 0.0 0.0 180 999 999 Federici

SCORERS

02 Manset
01 Hunt
01 HRK

SHOOTING

3 Shots 2 On Target 2 Goals 0 Hit Woodwork 1 Off Target 158 Minutes Mathieu Manset
2 Shots 2 On Target 1 Goals 0 Hit Woodwork 0 Off Target 069 Minutes Hal Robson-Kanu
2 Shots 2 On Target 1 Goals 0 Hit Woodwork 0 Off Target 248 Minutes Noel Hunt

8 Shots 0 On Target 0 Goals 1 Hit Woodwork 7 Off Target 270 Minutes Jobi McAnuff


ASSISTS

02 Kebe
01 Harte
.5 Griffin
.5 Pearce

Hit Woodwork

01 McAnuff
01 Long
01 Kebe


GOALS

01 Open Play - Solo Goal, cut in from wing, 25 yds MANSET
02 Open Play - Header from Kebe cross (good support from Griffin) MANSET
03 Dead Ball - Glancing near-post header from Harte corner. HUNT
04 Open Play - Shot from 12 yards after Kebe pass. HRK

Clean Sheets

1 33.3%

Average Goals Conceded per Game

1.0

Average Points per Game

1.33 (61 Points per season)

Last 6 Games

DWL DWL = 1.33 ppg

League Position(s)

7-6-10

[leicsRoyal]

Missed you Snowball.

[Hoop Blah]

What constitutes an assist?

[Victor Meldrew]

What about stats for the defence?
To not concede away at Leicester strikes me as a rather good effort but you have concentrated only on passes leading to goals etc.
Usually the best teams have the best defences so that part of the game is just as important as happens at the other end of the pitch.

[Mr Angry]

How is hitting the post "worth" half a goal??

Someone could hit the post 10 times, never score, yet you will say they had "scored" 5 goals.

Why don't you simply have it as "hit woodwork"?

[Ian Royal]

How is hitting the post "worth" half a goal??

Someone could hit the post 10 times, never score, yet you will say they had "scored" 5 goals.

Why don't you simply have it as "hit woodwork"?

Yeah if you're going to record it, it really ought to be separate. And I would imagine it's quite hard to get right over a season... Is it in official stats? Otherwise you're relying on remembering from games you've seen / it being in match reports or on highlights.

And same for half points for being involved in the build up. Should be a distinction between assists (Hoop correctly queries what one is) and playing a key role in the build up to a goal.

As an example I don't think you can really give Kebe an assist for Manset's first goal last week, because Manset effectively made the whole thing. But it would be reasonable to credit Kebe with being involved in the build-up as he played the ball in to Manset in the first place.

BTW: I'm being tragic again and keeping my own records for this sort of thing. Whether it'll last the season I don't know.

[Hoop Blah]

Is McAnuffs effort that hit the post of the same value as future a cross from Kebe that clips the bar on its way out of play or Church's glaring miss from 6 yards that somehow doesn't go in but hits the woodwork?

Just interested in how this is going to pan out.

[RobRoyal]

If a shot goes a little bit wide can we have that scored as 0.25 of a goal please?

[manny96]

Can we keep the vast majority of stats here and not quote large swathes in other threads? I suppose this might well be the point.

[WoodleyRoyal]

SHAMBLES

[Snowball]

Hit the woodwork is clear enough. How someone interprets it is a personal thing. The "half" I choose to score it
does NOT mean I think hitting the woodwork twice is the same as scoring once. Instead it means something like
"this player is getting into the attacking action at the sharp end about the same as that one." Ultimately and
obviously, goals are what matter.

How the defence plays is, sadly, quite opinionated. For example, we saw Harte, Pearce, Khumalo all blamed for the first goal conceded to Millwall,
(and slightly, Griffin) while at the same time some saying none of those three/four mattered as it was Federici's ball and he should have claimed it.

But there is a strong, countable, valid statistic and that is goals-conceded-per-game, so that's what I use (and clean sheets of course)

IMO, a player who hits the woodwork, is a player "almost" scoring, and for MY purposes, I score that as half a point, with goals a full point
and a clear assist a full point. For those who said "why not separate out goals" I DID. Look again. But IMO, scoring a goal, having a clear
assist, having a secondary assist, and hitting the woodwork are all "plusses" offensively, and FOR ME are measures of attacking quality.

I don't consider merely the last man to touch the ball before another man scores as an assist. For example, I consider Manset's 25 yarder
versus Millwall as a solo goal, with no true assist, but (for example) if Hunt shoots, the goalie saves and HRK taps in, I would give that
as a Hunt assist.



I find it interesting and pleasing that our three main strikers are all on the score-sheet already, that all three are well in front
of the "top class average" of a goal every 180 minutes played.

Very pleasing that Kebe is averaging an assist per game. Keep it going, Jimmy. 46 assists in a season would be nice...

[Snowball]

Can we keep the vast majority of stats here and not quote large swathes in other threads? I suppose this might well be the point.

I use stats in argument, when I see fit.

These are not "argument" just a resource that we can hopefully improve on over the season.

[Platypuss]

Scuffed cross onto the top of the crossbar and out for a GK - 0.5 points
Cracking shot into the top corner, but superbly saved - 0 points

ShambLOLes.

[readingbedding]

The self-appointed stat magician strikes again.
Does this person actually attend matches?

[TedBundy89]

Is there a chance you could start calling Mikele Leigertwood Mikele Leigertwood this season? Maybe if you need to call him a nickname then maybe you could use the nickname that he has been given by his team mates all through his career. If you want to call him Elwood maybe you could use L'wood? I just don't see the need for the E at the beginning of it.

My prefered names are:

Mikele Leigertwood.
Ledge or Legs.
I'll even let you have L'wood.

[Ian Royal]

So has anyone actually responded positively to this and welcomed Snowball's effort, or is it just for him and no one else cares, in which case there's no need for him to waste his time posting it up in future.

Personally I think some of the "shambles" shouts are a bit harsh. You simply can't cover everything with stats.

[chilipepper91]

So has anyone actually responded positively to this and welcomed Snowball's effort, or is it just for him and no one else cares, in which case there's no need for him to waste his time posting it up in future.

Personally I think some of the "shambles" shouts are a bit harsh. You simply can't cover everything with stats.

This. Snowball kinda shot himself in the foot with the whole "MY purposes" and "FOR ME" spiel. It's admitting that you can't assign definite values to everything - if Jimmy takes on 8 players, rounds the keeper then lays it back to Hunt for a tap-in from 6 yards they both get the same "reward". Really? Look at the most basic of all these, fantasy football, in which different positions generally score differently for each contribution. But different versions have different systems. You can make the stats reward different people. The official Premier League one, for example, gives bonus points to the three best players from each game - are you going to do this too?

Also, I'd argue that hitting the woodwork was less valuable than getting a shot on target (and certainly not worth half a goal), as there's no way the shot would be heading into the net, no matter how "unlucky" you can say they've been. It goes down as a shot off target. Finally, and most frustratingly, the positive spin on everything as ever - it's good to know that our three main strikers are ahead of the average of a goal every 180 minutes, seeing as none of them have actually played 180 minutes yet, let alone a decent enough amount to extrapolate over. And before you come back in December and try to misquote me saying they wouldn't do it - I hope they do. But you cannot draw any conclusions so early in the campaign. Are Soton and Brighton going to finish on 138 points?

[Ian Royal]

Stats: A useful indicator, providing you don't set too much stall by them. Useful for throwing out there as a counter point or reinforcement to an opinion.

I'm keeping stats too, like I did last season, not much point mentioning them until we've played 10 games though, same as looking at the league table. Sample is too small otherwise.

Oh, and seeing as we're unlikely to finish the season on 46 points, I presume that Snowball will be arguing that we're better without Shane Long, seeing as we scored one point in one game with him in the team and he contributed nothing to the goals we did score?

[rhroyal]

Can we please not have points for hitting the woodwork? It adds nothing to our final league position.

[Snowball]

Can we please not have points for hitting the woodwork? It adds nothing to our final league position.

HW (which is also on the OS) isn't about our league position
but is part of the data which shows how an attacker is doing.

And PS it's not about some wayward cross that happens to skim off the bar
but a proper shot that beats the keeper but hits post or bar.

And PPS, since goals are also shown, and assists are also shown
you can view whatever data you like. It is my opinion that Shane Long's
strike against the bar v Millwall and Jobi's strike against the post reflect
a degree of attacking prowess, and therefore I include it.