by Svlad Cjelli » 15 Sep 2011 10:45
by Negative_Jeff » 15 Sep 2011 10:45
by marcusopp » 15 Sep 2011 11:03
Svlad Cjelli Can any manager be great - surely it's a combination of the manager, the resources available and the players, and the chemistry between them.
A crap manager might not have any success with a great set of players and all the money in the world, whilst a poor manager might succeed in the same circumstances.
SC was the perfect manager for us at the time, and ideally suited to us achieving promotion, but a poor manager at fighting relegation with a team that needed refreshing.
by ZacNaloen » 15 Sep 2011 11:06
by brendywendy » 15 Sep 2011 11:06
Hoop Blah That still doesn't mean his mistakes didn't undo his previous good work though brendy.
by Hoop Blah » 15 Sep 2011 11:08
by brendywendy » 15 Sep 2011 11:11
by Hoop Blah » 15 Sep 2011 11:12
brendywendyHoop Blah That still doesn't mean his mistakes didn't undo his previous good work though brendy.
in your negativity book maybe.
in my book his achievements in those two great seasons, couldnt be undone by anything. especially seeing as they are the only time so far we have achieved so highly(and possibly ever.)
regardless of how "badly" he did the next season(.........playoffs, 3rd place, and most of the season battling for automatic promotion...LOL....yeah, coppell out.) hes still the only manager who took us to the top flight, and kept us there, in the two greatest footballing years of my life.and therefore he is the greatest.
he could have eaten all our players and burnt the stadium down, and it still couldnt erase his achievments.
by Svlad Cjelli » 15 Sep 2011 11:15
Hoop Blah If Mark Robins hadn't scored that FA Cup goal, or Roland Neilsen hadn't falled asleep on the post Fergie woudn't have had the success he's had at Utd and, to an extent, the face of world football would've been completely different for the last 20 years!
by brendywendy » 15 Sep 2011 11:33
Hoop BlahbrendywendyHoop Blah That still doesn't mean his mistakes didn't undo his previous good work though brendy.
in your negativity book maybe.
in my book his achievements in those two great seasons, couldnt be undone by anything. especially seeing as they are the only time so far we have achieved so highly(and possibly ever.)
regardless of how "badly" he did the next season(.........playoffs, 3rd place, and most of the season battling for automatic promotion...LOL....yeah, coppell out.) hes still the only manager who took us to the top flight, and kept us there, in the two greatest footballing years of my life.and therefore he is the greatest.
he could have eaten all our players and burnt the stadium down, and it still couldnt erase his achievments.
I think you're definition of undo might be a little more sensationalist than mine (and possibly WR's).
Coppells achievements and his standing as a great manager for making them happen haven't been erased. But his successes, at their peak, took us from a play off challenging Championship team to a European football qualifying team.
When he left us we were, as when he started, a Championship play off challenging team. His good work had been undone and, on the pitch, we were in the same place as when he joined us.
That's being undone, not forgotten or erased.
by RoyalBlue » 15 Sep 2011 13:28
brendywendyHoop Blah That still doesn't mean his mistakes didn't undo his previous good work though brendy.
in your negativity book maybe.
in my book his achievements in those two great seasons, couldnt be undone by anything. especially seeing as they are the only time so far we have achieved so highly(and possibly ever.)
regardless of how "badly" he did the next season(.........playoffs, 3rd place, and most of the season battling for automatic promotion...LOL....yeah, coppell out.) hes still the only manager who took us to the top flight, and kept us there, in the two greatest footballing years of my life.and therefore he is the greatest.
he could have eaten all our players and burnt the stadium down, and it still couldnt erase his achievments.
brian can eclipse it, but only if he takes us up and keeps us up with a team made up of 50% academy products, and spending much less than we diod under coppell. imo
that or 107 points, and europe.
by RoyalBlue » 15 Sep 2011 13:30
Svlad CjelliHoop Blah If Mark Robins hadn't scored that FA Cup goal, or Roland Neilsen hadn't falled asleep on the post Fergie woudn't have had the success he's had at Utd and, to an extent, the face of world football would've been completely different for the last 20 years!
And there are so many such examples - if we'd not had such outrageous good luck with injuries that season we might not have won the Championship, and in the other direction there are countless minor incidents in the relegation season where if we'd had a bit more luck we would have stayed up - for instance beating Fulham instead of Liverpool. In fact. the whole of Fulham's miraculous last-ditch revival, coupled with Portsmouth's unlikely run to the FA Cup Final, could almost have been the gods conspiring against us.
by Svlad Cjelli » 15 Sep 2011 13:37
RoyalBlueSvlad CjelliHoop Blah If Mark Robins hadn't scored that FA Cup goal, or Roland Neilsen hadn't falled asleep on the post Fergie woudn't have had the success he's had at Utd and, to an extent, the face of world football would've been completely different for the last 20 years!
And there are so many such examples - if we'd not had such outrageous good luck with injuries that season we might not have won the Championship, and in the other direction there are countless minor incidents in the relegation season where if we'd had a bit more luck we would have stayed up - for instance beating Fulham instead of Liverpool. In fact. the whole of Fulham's miraculous last-ditch revival, coupled with Portsmouth's unlikely run to the FA Cup Final, could almost have been the gods conspiring against us.
But one of the real measures of how good a manager is (and not just in football) is how he/she copes with the hand that fate deals.
by Ferris » 16 Sep 2011 13:01
by westendgirl » 16 Sep 2011 14:40
Svlad CjelliHoop Blah If Mark Robins hadn't scored that FA Cup goal, or Roland Neilsen hadn't falled asleep on the post Fergie woudn't have had the success he's had at Utd and, to an extent, the face of world football would've been completely different for the last 20 years!
And there are so many such examples - if we'd not had such outrageous good luck with injuries that season we might not have won the Championship, and in the other direction there are countless minor incidents in the relegation season where if we'd had a bit more luck we would have stayed up - for instance beating Fulham instead of Liverpool. In fact. the whole of Fulham's miraculous last-ditch revival, coupled with Portsmouth's unlikely run to the FA Cup Final, could almost have been the gods conspiring against us.
by Pepe the Horseman » 16 Sep 2011 17:02
Ferris Apparently after the Watford game, he just sat in the changing room and didn’t say anything, literally nothing. In the end Nigel Gibbs just said to the players just get showered and go home.
by RoyalBlue » 16 Sep 2011 18:06
Pepe the HorsemanFerris Apparently after the Watford game, he just sat in the changing room and didn’t say anything, literally nothing. In the end Nigel Gibbs just said to the players just get showered and go home.
That's a bit odd. Should have put a rocket up them, not given them the silent treatment.
by Get Carter » 16 Sep 2011 21:22
by Ian Royal » 16 Sep 2011 22:33
Pepe the HorsemanFerris Apparently after the Watford game, he just sat in the changing room and didn’t say anything, literally nothing. In the end Nigel Gibbs just said to the players just get showered and go home.
That's a bit odd. Should have put a rocket up them, not given them the silent treatment.
by Woodcote Royal » 17 Sep 2011 00:07
westendgirlSvlad CjelliHoop Blah If Mark Robins hadn't scored that FA Cup goal, or Roland Neilsen hadn't falled asleep on the post Fergie woudn't have had the success he's had at Utd and, to an extent, the face of world football would've been completely different for the last 20 years!
And there are so many such examples - if we'd not had such outrageous good luck with injuries that season we might not have won the Championship, and in the other direction there are countless minor incidents in the relegation season where if we'd had a bit more luck we would have stayed up - for instance beating Fulham instead of Liverpool. In fact. the whole of Fulham's miraculous last-ditch revival, coupled with Portsmouth's unlikely run to the FA Cup Final, could almost have been the gods conspiring against us.
Even worse in both Fulham games we conceded a late goal as we were trying to get back in the game. If neither of those had gone in we would have stayed up.
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