Squad review now transfer window has closed

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by P!ssed Off » 04 Sep 2013 00:08

Ian Royal I was going to deconstruct why you've described your own post in your first word 2ww1wc. But really, I'd be pissing into the wind. So I can't be arsed.

I'll just point out that sacking McDermott was entirely in the Reading Way. See Bullivant, Burns, Rodgers.
I'll add that our wage bill is consistently in the top half dozen or so in this league. Wages are more important than transfer fees. So it is an utter fallacy that McDermott operated on a shoestring budget.
It is not a miracle to take a team who finished in the top six and got to the Play Off Final the previous season to promotion. It's a miracle to take a team who finished 21st the previous season to promotion, without a significant increase in wages.

Finally. At no point, has anyone at the club said there will be a change in the Reading Way. In fact quite the reverse. Zingaravich has been quite clear the club will be run in the same way. The only differences are, higher wage bill, investment in infrastructure and the club can run at a loss if necessary without having to tout players to make up the short fall.

If you are more than mildly disappointed in this start and transfer window. Then you only have yourself to blame for deluding yourself into thinking something significantly different would happen.

"100 goals and 21 clean sheets" I hear you cry. "Champions" you say. Grow up, and stop taking everything at face value, I say.


With you most of the way.
But the Manager/Zingarevich must take responsibility for raising the hopes of fans.
As someone else already pointed out it was a total PR fail, you're supposed to 'under-promise and over-deliver'.
Whats all this bollocks about "you deluded yourself". oxf*rd off! The club raised my expectations and didn't deliver.

Even putting aside the clubs previous statements about signing players, the failure to sign a striker is still a oxf*rd up.
We needed to buy a striker to have any hope of success and we didn't. Regardless of whether it was likely that the club would sign a striker it is still something I'm disappointed and annoyed about.

Why is it not possible to be disappointed by something even if it is a likely scenario anyway?
Every time I read a post of yours Ian Royal I am disappointed by you, yet this is fully expected. Am I deluded?

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by kwik-silva » 04 Sep 2013 00:17

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Ian Royal I was going to deconstruct why you've described your own post in your first word 2ww1wc. But really, I'd be pissing into the wind. So I can't be arsed.

I'll just point out that sacking McDermott was entirely in the Reading Way. See Bullivant, Burns, Rodgers.
I'll add that our wage bill is consistently in the top half dozen or so in this league. Wages are more important than transfer fees. So it is an utter fallacy that McDermott operated on a shoestring budget.
It is not a miracle to take a team who finished in the top six and got to the Play Off Final the previous season to promotion. It's a miracle to take a team who finished 21st the previous season to promotion, without a significant increase in wages.

Finally. At no point, has anyone at the club said there will be a change in the Reading Way. In fact quite the reverse. Zingaravich has been quite clear the club will be run in the same way. The only differences are, higher wage bill, investment in infrastructure and the club can run at a loss if necessary without having to tout players to make up the short fall.

If you are more than mildly disappointed in this start and transfer window. Then you only have yourself to blame for deluding yourself into thinking something significantly different would happen.

"100 goals and 21 clean sheets" I hear you cry. "Champions" you say. Grow up, and stop taking everything at face value, I say.


With you most of the way.
But the Manager/Zingarevich must take responsibility for raising the hopes of fans.
As someone else already pointed out it was a total PR fail, you're supposed to 'under-promise and over-deliver'.
Whats all this bollocks about "you deluded yourself". oxf*rd off! The club raised my expectations and didn't deliver.

Even putting aside the clubs previous statements about signing players, the failure to sign a striker is still a oxf*rd up.
We needed to buy a striker to have any hope of success and we didn't. Regardless of whether it was likely that the club would sign a striker it is still something I'm disappointed and annoyed about.

Why is it not possible to be disappointed by something even if it is a likely scenario anyway?
Every time I read a post of yours Ian Royal I am disappointed by you, yet this is fully expected. Am I deluded?


So you could sum up your feelings by saying you're... pissed off?

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by P!ssed Off » 04 Sep 2013 00:22

kwik-silva
P!ssed Off With you most of the way.
But the Manager/Zingarevich must take responsibility for raising the hopes of fans.
As someone else already pointed out it was a total PR fail, you're supposed to 'under-promise and over-deliver'.
Whats all this bollocks about "you deluded yourself". oxf*rd off! The club raised my expectations and didn't deliver.

Even putting aside the clubs previous statements about signing players, the failure to sign a striker is still a oxf*rd up.
We needed to buy a striker to have any hope of success and we didn't. Regardless of whether it was likely that the club would sign a striker it is still something I'm disappointed and annoyed about.

Why is it not possible to be disappointed by something even if it is a likely scenario anyway?
Every time I read a post of yours Ian Royal I am disappointed by you, yet this is fully expected. Am I deluded?


So you could sum up your feelings by saying you're... pissed off?


No, I'm probably just mildly disappointed actually (acceptable according to Ian Royal). I think others that can be arsed have a reasonable defence for their anger though.

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by The Real Sandhurst Royal » 04 Sep 2013 07:23

No signings on the final day may well give some of the players who have come through the Academy a chance, a policy I support.

Some are questioning the centre back cover... We signed Jake Cooper who came through the academy system on a three year deal until 2016 in the summer. He is 6' 4"an England U19 player currently with the squad preparing for their upcoming internationals.

He may well get his chance to prove himself at this level before the season is over.

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by paultheroyal » 04 Sep 2013 07:44

Keepers - A
Full backs - B
Centre backs - C
Wingers - B
Defensive Midfielders B
Attacking Midfielders E
Strikers - D


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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by SCIAG » 04 Sep 2013 14:25

Ian Royal Goalkeepers
Quality A*
Depth A*
Full backs
Quality A
Depth B-
Centrebacks
Quality A
Depth C
Midfield
Quality A*
Depth A
Wingers
Quality A
Depth B
Strikers
Quality C+
Depth D

I more or less agree with this. I'd probably raise the quality of our strikers and make centre back depth an E or F. I only agree with the poor rating for "winger depth" if we're playing with three wingers.

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by sandman » 04 Sep 2013 14:29

The Real Sandhurst Royal No signings on the final day may well give some of the players who have come through the Academy a chance, a policy I support.

Some are questioning the centre back cover... We signed Jake Cooper who came through the academy system on a three year deal until 2016 in the summer. He is 6' 4"an England U19 player currently with the squad preparing for their upcoming internationals.

He may well get his chance to prove himself at this level before the season is over.


Especially given how solid the under 21's defence has been this season.

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by Nameless » 04 Sep 2013 15:43

I'm a bit confused on how this rating system works. We have 5 decent wingers so depth is hardly an issue there. Drenthe and McClary are as good as anything elsewhere and a choice of HRK, Obita and Jobi off the bench is better than the majority will have in this division.

4 full backs seems as much as you could expect, agree 2 specialists on each side would be ideal but then I think a decent full back should be able to switch sides relatively easily if required.

Centre back we are clearly light and will struggle if teams play the ball around us - but Mariappa was vulnerable to that as much as anyone.

Up front we are hardly at E level, Alf scored a very good total in a higher division last season and none of his goals this season have been late game savers off the bench, I am looking forward to seeing Ugwe and Samuel break through, of course we'd feel more confident with Hooper or another proven signing but our youngsters are very good and there may be a silver lining to what seems like a cloud.

I do think many are overly pessimistic, but then that is Reading fans and especially HNA for you.

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by Harrydog » 04 Sep 2013 15:48

please can we see what either Ugwu or Samuel or both will be like up top with ALF.
they surely cant be any worse than Blackman.
at what point do they go from the academy to the first team.
surely if they are 18 /19 and they are lighting it up then we need to quickly bring them on.


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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by Nameless » 04 Sep 2013 15:58

They don't go from Academy to first team, neither are Academy players. They are both full pro's - Ugwe is 20. They are playing U21 football currently.
I'd love to see Ugwe involved in the first team squad and was disappointed he didn't play at Peterborough (although maybe he was lucky not to !)

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by thirtyyarder » 04 Sep 2013 16:12

Think the squad's alright. As soon as legs comes back we will have cb cover, as well as that player to bring on and close the game. Could do with a cb who can play lb as well on loan (wisdom maybe), and obviously the striker that we have been needing for some time. I do think that a lot depended on pog leaving, I also firmly believe that the club will get these players in on loan, and I prefer them to keep quite about what's going to happen even if they are 100% certain it's going to happen, lest another t. Smith saga unfolds.

I also wish that they had kept quiet earlier in the window so that I wasn't walking around with a sense of expectation on Monday.

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by M Brook » 04 Sep 2013 16:19

At some point soon the club will have to make a decision about Hector. He's 21 now and should have proved himself one way or the other. Reports from Aberdeen seem encouraging. Maybe the club think he has a brighter future than Marriappa and he is the missing link. If he comes back from Aberdeen in the New Year (or earlier if he is recalled?), he should be match fit and raring to go.

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by M Brook » 04 Sep 2013 16:20

Harrydog please can we see what either Ugwu or Samuel or both will be like up top with ALF.
they surely cant be any worse than Blackman.
at what point do they go from the academy to the first team.
surely if they are 18 /19 and they are lighting it up then we need to quickly bring them on.


Saturday against Oman?


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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by Nameless » 04 Sep 2013 16:22

M Brook At some point soon the club will have to make a decision about Hector. He's 21 now and should have proved himself one way or the other. Reports from Aberdeen seem encouraging. Maybe the club think he has a brighter future than Marriappa and he is the missing link. If he comes back from Aberdeen in the New Year (or earlier if he is recalled?), he should be match fit and raring to go.


quite like the idea of McCarthy, Pearce, Hector, Karacan, Ugwe and Obita making up more than half our first team....

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by Platypuss » 04 Sep 2013 17:48

M Brook At some point soon the club will have to make a decision about Hector. He's 21 now and should have proved himself one way or the other. Reports from Aberdeen seem encouraging. Maybe the club think he has a brighter future than Marriappa and he is the missing link. If he comes back from Aberdeen in the New Year (or earlier if he is recalled?), he should be match fit and raring to go.


No recall.

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by floyd__streete » 04 Sep 2013 18:09

Why does everyone r8 our defence so highly? They've looked like conceding at almost every given moment in the 3 matches I have seen. One clean sheet - at relegation favourites Yeovil who have scored once in the league all season - suggests that they aren't exactly a wtertight unit. Sure, defending also takes place higher up the pitch - that is another matter entirely - but our options at the back don't seem nearly as good as some of you are saying :!:

Full backs - Gunter only gets a place in the side because Cummings is so rank awful, at left back we Wayne Bridge and for cover.....erm, Shaun Cummings. After all, NA is the manager who said "it doesn't matter which side your full back plays, a full back is a full back". Thats why England always field their best two full backs every game - A Cole and Baines - isn't it, Nigel :|

Centre halves - Morrison has an awful lot still to learn but still outperforms Pearce most weeks. Back up is Gorkss who has been pretty much a complete disaster every time he has stepped on the pitch ever since he put on that wolf mask at Birmingham.....was it haunted by the ghost of Elroy Kromheer or something?

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by Lower West » 04 Sep 2013 18:25

floyd__streete Why does everyone r8 our defence so highly? They've looked like conceding at almost every given moment in the 3 matches I have seen. One clean sheet - at relegation favourites Yeovil who have scored once in the league all season - suggests that they aren't exactly a wtertight unit. Sure, defending also takes place higher up the pitch - that is another matter entirely - but our options at the back don't seem nearly as good as some of you are saying :!:



Give them a chance to play together.

Against Yeovil there was little/no central midfield cover. Guthrie/Karacan aren't a polished duo yet either.

Interesting in the Yeovil warm up to see McCleary/Gunter working together, i.e. overlap passing. Obviously lots being worked on in training, the fruits of which we've yet to see.

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by Once were Biscuitmen » 04 Sep 2013 18:31

Should be fine for a mid table finish, maybe an outside shot at the play-offs if it all comes together.

Hopefully all the types that text Sky Sports News to ask where they, 'reckon the parachute payments have gone' will be so appalled they will stop going and posting.

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by Royalclapper » 04 Sep 2013 18:32

Plus we're in the Championship not the Premier League, most teams are as shit as us barring perhaps deal crazy QPR. Watford were supposed to be all singing and dancing title contenders (which they still could be), after playing us though they stole a draw at home to Forest and got tossed 1-0 away at Blackpool.

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Re: Squad review now transfer window has closed

by sandman » 04 Sep 2013 18:34

Any striker with even a moderate amount of pace is going to go past our three centre halves as if they weren't there.

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