CountryRoyaltidus_mi2 With Kuhl, it could just be the wrong club, after all we made Antonio and Afobe look bang average at this level and now look at them.
Easily one of the stupidest things I've ever read on here, and that takes some doing.
tidus_mi2CountryRoyaltidus_mi2 With Kuhl, it could just be the wrong club, after all we made Antonio and Afobe look bang average at this level and now look at them.
Easily one of the stupidest things I've ever read on here, and that takes some doing.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise Antonio and Afobe looked Premier League quality players here, no idea why the fans weren't up in arms when the club let Antonio go for such a low amount.
muirinho As regards Kuhl - yes it's early days, nevertheless it's not just about what he showed (or didn't) at Dundee Utd, it's about his performances in U21's as well. It doesn't look like he has progressed from where he was two seasons ago, which is worrying. I've got no idea how he's doing in training though.
mambo3
Theres another way of looking at it. Maybe RFC didnt get the best out of Antonio + Ofobe but other clubs did. Notts Forest, Sheff Wed fans thought we were mad to sell him.
Antonio didnt want to leave he was sold because we thought he was not good enough and could not guarantee him first Team Football.
If you are under contract you dont decide your leaving, the clubs does it is then up to the player to accept or not.
VisionJohn Smithhandbags_harris I think I'd be happy with Tish, Fosu, Tanner and Samuel in and around the first team squad next season. They have all proven themselves at the level they're playing at and received excellent reviews wherever they've been on loan at so should now be given a chance in our first team.
Stacey I'd like to see out on loan once more as he's only done it over a few games at Carlisle. A season of consistent L2/L1 football will do him the world of good and give us an indication of whether he's ready to make the step up.
Kuhl has had a wasted season and a half, his time up in Scotland was a disaster but hopefully we can ship him out to a L2/L1 side and get him regular games. Sadly his early promise doesn't look to be coming to much at the moment based on what we've seen and there's no question in my mind he shouldn't be anywhere near the first team at the moment because he's done nothing to justify it since his baptism of fire.
Novakovich and Keown - I'd be wary of throwing them in at the deep end and would like to see them loaned for a season to see if they're ready for the step up. Novakovich has only played four games in the Conference this season (and Cheltenham didn't renew his loan which tells its own story in some ways) and Keown has had just two first team appearances in his entire football league career.
Blah blah blah. This was all said at the end of last season when we beat Derby and Stacey and Fosu had their impressive half hour cameos. Both currently on loan at League 2 sides, weren't ready then and won't be now. So for you to have the temerity to come on here and post things like that can only mean to me that your head is in the sand.
Is your head in the sand?
He said he doesn't think Stacey is ready.
muirinhomambo3
Theres another way of looking at it. Maybe RFC didnt get the best out of Antonio + Ofobe but other clubs did. Notts Forest, Sheff Wed fans thought we were mad to sell him.
Antonio didnt want to leave he was sold because we thought he was not good enough and could not guarantee him first Team Football.
If you are under contract you dont decide your leaving, the clubs does it is then up to the player to accept or not.
Why do you say he didn't want to leave?
Remember Wednesday were two divisions below Reading when he got loaned to them. He was ready for L1, not for Premier League. He got promoted with them, came back to Reading at the end of the season and it certainly looked like he was angling for a permanent move.
Sheffield Wednesday came in for him 3 times that summer, and Reading only let him go when they matched their valuation. But when Antonio joined them he said something like - he'd been waiting patiently all summer for the deal to be done. Which does not sound like he was being sold against his will. Yes, Reading couldn't guarantee him first team football - because he wasn't good enough at the time, in comparison for the other options that were there.
mambo3 Not about the club particularly, but about the stage in their development. Antonio was not at Premier League stage while he was here, or indeed for the next couple of years after that. He just wasn't ready. He wouldn't have been ready at any other club either. He wasn't being held back by the club he was at, but by his own development rate.
It's then a question of whether you hold a player back by keeping him when you have no room for him, which makes it harder for him to actually progress. We didn't throw him away, he wanted to leave, and to a club he'd been lent to, so essentially the club facilitated his development. Knowing you'll be treated decently by the club is a plus point for young players signing up with Reading, you don't want to get a reputation for letting players rot.
As regards Kuhl - yes it's early days, nevertheless it's not just about what he showed (or didn't) at Dundee Utd, it's about his performances in U21's as well. It doesn't look like he has progressed from where he was two seasons ago, which is worrying. I've got no idea how he's doing in training though.
West Stand Manmambo3 Not about the club particularly, but about the stage in their development. Antonio was not at Premier League stage while he was here, or indeed for the next couple of years after that. He just wasn't ready. He wouldn't have been ready at any other club either. He wasn't being held back by the club he was at, but by his own development rate.
It's then a question of whether you hold a player back by keeping him when you have no room for him, which makes it harder for him to actually progress. We didn't throw him away, he wanted to leave, and to a club he'd been lent to, so essentially the club facilitated his development. Knowing you'll be treated decently by the club is a plus point for young players signing up with Reading, you don't want to get a reputation for letting players rot.
As regards Kuhl - yes it's early days, nevertheless it's not just about what he showed (or didn't) at Dundee Utd, it's about his performances in U21's as well. It doesn't look like he has progressed from where he was two seasons ago, which is worrying. I've got no idea how he's doing in training though.
Theres another way of looking at it. Maybe RFC didnt get the best out of Antonio + Ofobe but other clubs did. Notts Forest, Sheff Wed fans thought we were mad to sell him.
Antonio didnt want to leave he was sold because we thought he was not good enough and could not guarantee him first Team Football.
If you are under contract you dont decide your leaving, the clubs does it is then up to the player to accept or not.
maffff Now we have a 2016/17 squad, do we have 2016/17 chants in place?
maffff Now we have a 2016/17 squad, do we have 2016/17 chants in place?
CountryRoyalmaffff Now we have a 2016/17 squad, do we have 2016/17 chants in place?
We're oxf*rd shitttt we're oxf*rd shit we're oxf*rd shit we're oxf*rd shittttt.
West Stand Manmambo3 Not about the club particularly, but about the stage in their development. Antonio was not at Premier League stage while he was here, or indeed for the next couple of years after that. He just wasn't ready. He wouldn't have been ready at any other club either. He wasn't being held back by the club he was at, but by his own development rate.
It's then a question of whether you hold a player back by keeping him when you have no room for him, which makes it harder for him to actually progress. We didn't throw him away, he wanted to leave, and to a club he'd been lent to, so essentially the club facilitated his development. Knowing you'll be treated decently by the club is a plus point for young players signing up with Reading, you don't want to get a reputation for letting players rot.
As regards Kuhl - yes it's early days, nevertheless it's not just about what he showed (or didn't) at Dundee Utd, it's about his performances in U21's as well. It doesn't look like he has progressed from where he was two seasons ago, which is worrying. I've got no idea how he's doing in training though.
Theres another way of looking at it. Maybe RFC didnt get the best out of Antonio + Ofobe but other clubs did. Notts Forest, Sheff Wed fans thought we were mad to sell him.
Antonio didnt want to leave he was sold because we thought he was not good enough and could not guarantee him first Team Football.
If you are under contract you dont decide your leaving, the clubs does it is then up to the player to accept or not.
oh look, a player is quite good, years after we had him on our books. that means he was just as good when we had him, and we should have kept them forever.
never going to consistently get in ahead of kebe/mcanuff
To be fair, that was as much about good PR than anything else. Players always say positive things about a club they join even if they have joined a sh*t club with an incompetent manager, a tightwad chairman, players who are crap and fans who are nothing more than a bunch of moaners..... we've seen it ourselves over the years when players sign for us!muirinho But when Antonio joined them he said something like - he'd been waiting patiently all summer for the deal to be done. Which does not sound like he was being sold against his will.
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