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Re: Ex Players

by KC Royal » 20 Aug 2022 18:43

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With the club’s Academy at some point around 2019/20 I think, came from originally Tooting & Mitcham.


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Re: Ex Players

by paultheroyal » 22 Aug 2022 13:52

URZZZZ Gunter sent off yesterday for retaliation on another ex player - Stephen Quinn after he kicked the ball at Gunter’s face

Must admit, those two names wouldn’t be the first two that spring to mind for an incident like that!


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Re: Ex Players

by 3points » 22 Aug 2022 14:54

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KC Royal My local non-league side earlier in the month signed a player who apparently was with us, Lexus Beeden. Struggling to remember him, when was he with us? Did he feature much? Planning on going to a game next month so will be interesting to see how he does, assuming he plays.


With the club’s Academy at some point around 2019/20 I think, came from originally Tooting & Mitcham.


Thanks Sutekh.

Saw him play for the U23s away at West Brom in Jan 2020. Was a big brute of a centre back lacking skill and finesse. Played alongside Dorsett who looked a better prospect and had Akin Odimayo playing a CDM role that night, who looked the best of the three of them.

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Re: Ex Players

by KC Royal » 22 Aug 2022 19:45

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With the club’s Academy at some point around 2019/20 I think, came from originally Tooting & Mitcham.


Thanks Sutekh.

Saw him play for the U23s away at West Brom in Jan 2020. Was a big brute of a centre back lacking skill and finesse. Played alongside Dorsett who looked a better prospect and had Akin Odimayo playing a CDM role that night, who looked the best of the three of them.

Interesting, i did notice he'd had other clubs. In the article i read Darlington were also mentioned plus trials at Middlesbrough, and just discovered he left us to join Welling a couple of years ago before they released him a couple of months later, so he hasn't settled anywhere.

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Re: Ex Players

by Tails » 24 Aug 2022 19:27

Probably already shared but I can't be arsed to search...

Omar Richards referenced in this fairly interesting read.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12668344/the-south-london-football-academy-helping-disadvantaged-young-players-like-joe-aribo-flourish-on-and-off-the-pitch


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Re: Ex Players

by Half Horse » 24 Aug 2022 21:22

Alfie Mawson has signed a 12 month contract with Wycombe having been released by Fulham. Dodgy knees and failed a medical at one of the big spending Championship clubs. Have we missed an opportunity here or would he be in the long queue for the treatment table?

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Re: Ex Players

by Snowflake Royal » 24 Aug 2022 22:44

The last thing we need is someone with a dodgy injury record

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by Hound » 25 Aug 2022 07:16

Tails Probably already shared but I can't be arsed to search...

Omar Richards referenced in this fairly interesting read.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12668344/the-south-london-football-academy-helping-disadvantaged-young-players-like-joe-aribo-flourish-on-and-off-the-pitch


Good read thanks

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Re: Ex Players

by Nameless » 25 Aug 2022 07:36

Half Horse Alfie Mawson has signed a 12 month contract with Wycombe having been released by Fulham. Dodgy knees and failed a medical at one of the big spending Championship clubs. Have we missed an opportunity here or would he be in the long queue for the treatment table?


It’s only an ‘opportunity’ if we needed a player in his position.
Can he play left back, centre forward or No 10 ?


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Re: Ex Players

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 25 Aug 2022 09:02

Considering he has just moved to a League One side as well, he's probably someone we haven't really missed out on. Just get Sarr completed in the next day or so and hopefully available for Saturday and we are probably looking ok on CB's at that point, in an ideal world could maybe use one more senor player but Clarke has done really well in his limited game time thus far.

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Re: Ex Players

by Hound » 27 Aug 2022 16:32

Hat trick for Sam smith

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Re: Ex Players

by NewCorkSeth » 28 Aug 2022 21:52

Did we sell Hyam or let him leave on a free?

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Re: Ex Players

by Snowflake Royal » 28 Aug 2022 22:15

NewCorkSeth Did we sell Hyam or let him leave on a free?

Leave on a free iirc.

Him and Dickie were so obviously class as well. :x


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Re: Ex Players

by NewCorkSeth » 28 Aug 2022 22:54

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NewCorkSeth Did we sell Hyam or let him leave on a free?

Leave on a free iirc.

Him and Dickie were so obviously class as well. :x

Soo we get nothing from this transfer?

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by Sutekh » 29 Aug 2022 07:07

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NewCorkSeth Did we sell Hyam or let him leave on a free?

Leave on a free iirc.

Him and Dickie were so obviously class as well. :x

Soo we get nothing from this transfer?


Stam’s regime has a lot to answer for. Released Hyam and Dickie for nothing and then sold Cooper and Stacey for undisclosed fees.

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Re: Ex Players

by Hendo » 29 Aug 2022 08:14

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NewCorkSeth Did we sell Hyam or let him leave on a free?

Leave on a free iirc.

Him and Dickie were so obviously class as well. :x


Not really sure how you can judge how class they were, seeing as they made 1 professional appearance for the club between them.

As with Antonio, they don't become they players they are if they're kept here and play bit parts behind more senior defenders. They've grown as footballers because they've had regular playing time at a lower level and from that experience and development are now at a level where they would be first choice for us.

They don't get that if they stay here.

Sometimes you just have to admit it is the right player at the wrong time.

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Re: Ex Players

by Stranded » 29 Aug 2022 08:46

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NewCorkSeth Did we sell Hyam or let him leave on a free?

Leave on a free iirc.

Him and Dickie were so obviously class as well. :x


Not really sure how you can judge how class they were, seeing as they made 1 professional appearance for the club between them.

As with Antonio, they don't become they players they are if they're kept here and play bit parts behind more senior defenders. They've grown as footballers because they've had regular playing time at a lower level and from that experience and development are now at a level where they would be first choice for us.

They don't get that if they stay here.

Sometimes you just have to admit it is the right player at the wrong time.


Very much this and amazed how many people either don't appreciate this fact or choose to ignore it.

At the time they left Hyam, Dickie, Cooper and Stacey were not Championship ready and were probably in most cases a year or two away from being so. Yes the argument could be they should have played instead of X or Y because they were shit but bringing them to a shit team may well have seen their career head off in a different way and we could be saying now - "Can't believe Dom Hyam is turning out for Hungerford, really thought he would have a decent career"

Dropping down a level or two, getting regular game time in successful sides brought them to the attention of Champ clubs at a point when they were ready for the step up.

When Holmes got a chance at 18, he was nowhere near ready and arguably his development was halted a bit and only a loan to Belgium helped get him back on track.

Anyway, has anyone seen the unveiling picture of Hyam on Twitter? It seriously looks like he has been taken hostage and they've made him hold up this season's shirt to prove he's still alive. He looks that happy to be there.

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Re: Ex Players

by NewCorkSeth » 29 Aug 2022 09:32

Yup, always said 42 games at the time Cooper just desperately needed 15 games in league 1 to become ready for the championship.

The point isn't whether those players were ready, it's not many clubs release so much quality from their academy with no returns at almost the same time. 5 academy players all playing at this level or higher in 2 windows and only 1 fee received? That's always going to be considered a failure of our management.

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Re: Ex Players

by Snowflake Royal » 29 Aug 2022 10:09

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NewCorkSeth Did we sell Hyam or let him leave on a free?

Leave on a free iirc.

Him and Dickie were so obviously class as well. :x


Not really sure how you can judge how class they were, seeing as they made 1 professional appearance for the club between them.

As with Antonio, they don't become they players they are if they're kept here and play bit parts behind more senior defenders. They've grown as footballers because they've had regular playing time at a lower level and from that experience and development are now at a level where they would be first choice for us.

They don't get that if they stay here.

Sometimes you just have to admit it is the right player at the wrong time.

Because I also saw them play a bunch of youth football.

Antonio is a completely different scenario. He got chances in the first team, and he wasn’t up to it at that time, he came from the lower leagues so was very raw, he was up against quality competition and then we got promoted.

When Dickie and Hyam left, and Cooper and Stacey, we didn't get promoted, we were struggling financially, we kept spending loads on mediocrity and we had holes in the squad.

Take Dickie and Stacey and compare with Holmes and McIntyre for example. The Toms have got a lot of their performances breaking through out of position at fullback. We could easily have offered that route to Dickie or Stacey as RB cover as we had few options there at the time.

We spent millions on Blackett and Illori.

Yes, they got where they are by playing. But there was room for them to play for us.

Fact is, I said it at the time for Dickie, Hyam and Stacey, and I've been proved right on all three cases.

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Re: Ex Players

by Hendo » 29 Aug 2022 10:25

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Him and Dickie were so obviously class as well. :x


Not really sure how you can judge how class they were, seeing as they made 1 professional appearance for the club between them.

As with Antonio, they don't become they players they are if they're kept here and play bit parts behind more senior defenders. They've grown as footballers because they've had regular playing time at a lower level and from that experience and development are now at a level where they would be first choice for us.

They don't get that if they stay here.

Sometimes you just have to admit it is the right player at the wrong time.

Because I also saw them play a bunch of youth football.

Antonio is a completely different scenario. He got chances in the first team, and he wasn’t up to it at that time, he came from the lower leagues so was very raw, he was up against quality competition and then we got promoted.

When Dickie and Hyam left, and Cooper and Stacey, we didn't get promoted, we were struggling financially, we kept spending loads on mediocrity and we had holes in the squad.

Take Dickie and Stacey and compare with Holmes and McIntyre for example. The Toms have got a lot of their performances breaking through out of position at fullback. We could easily have offered that route to Dickie or Stacey as RB cover as we had few options there at the time.

We spent millions on Blackett and Illori.

Yes, they got where they are by playing. But there was room for them to play for us.

Fact is, I said it at the time for Dickie, Hyam and Stacey, and I've been proved right on all three cases.


Find it hard to take watching youth football and being able to compare that to mens professional football. The list of players who have looked good at youth level and not made the step up, must be incredibly long. Standouts for Reading off the top of my head:

Kuhl
Kelly
Loader
Barret
Davies
Taylor

There may have been a route for them in the first team, but they would've still been very bit-part players, not playing week in, week out as they were when dropping down a level.

Who knows how that could've impacted on their development, but I would lean more towards them getting regular game time as being a huge contributing factor for where they are now.

Think this will also apply more to defenders than forwards as a young defender, who will naturally make mistakes, is going to be chastised for it at a club looking to progress to the Premier League, see Cooper as an example. There isn't as much pressure on them at a lower level, where a) mistakes may not get punished with as much regularity b) mistakes can be more forgiven.

Managers will pretty much always try to bring in more experienced players than playing un-tried youth players, if they're able to. Obviously there are exceptions to that when you have someone as talented as Olise and it is painfully obvious he is ready to make the step up.

Other thing to note is that this will happen to loads and loads of clubs up and down the country, it is not something which is exclusive to Reading. It does make me laugh when people slag the club off like it is something which only we're getting wrong.

Well done on being proved right, good for you. :roll:

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