by Muskrat » 03 Oct 2018 14:21
by Coppells Lost Coat » 03 Oct 2018 14:37
Muskrat
Clement got the team selection wrong and the way we set up was like the away team with one up top and a defensive midfielder in front of the back four in a 4-1-4-1 line up. Are we really that scared of playing QPR at home that we have to set ourselves up like that?
by Sutekh » 03 Oct 2018 14:52
by tee peg » 03 Oct 2018 14:53
by Hound » 03 Oct 2018 14:55
tee peg The issue of cramp at Brentford signals a lack of fitness.Its a joke that our top striker is injured in the warm up.
Regarding Injuries.I wonder how our record compares to other clubs?
by muirinho » 03 Oct 2018 15:02
by Sutekh » 03 Oct 2018 15:15
muirinho I generally feel it's the players on the pitch that should get the blame, rather than the manager, but last night it was mostly Clement I was raging about.
(1) Aluko is abysmal. If he was been given another chance, then that chance should have ended at half-time
(2) Kelly was nearly as bad as Aluko. Should have been subbed much earlier. I understand with Swift's injury record being careful with him, but there was so much more happening on the pitch when he was on.
(3) Gunter is pretty much the same on the left as he is on the right. Yiadom is not great on the left. If that's who you are picking as the fullbacks, then why on earth is Yiadom being played on the left?
(4) Sims didn't play a full game on Saturday, surely it would have made sense to start him.
(5) The "set up" is for wingers - but our wingers don't flipping cross. They try to bring the ball in to a crowded area, and lose it. What's wrong with putting in a few crosses, for crying out loud? Are they being told not to? I'm guessing Yiadom isn't crossing because he's on the wrong side, but that's Clement's fault too.
(6) Barrow was continually following the ball rather than the runners in defence. So he's ineffectually trying to help out Yiadom, gets in the way there, and ends up leaving someone else roaming totally free. He was doing that all game against Brentford as well. If I can see it, why didn't Clement? Is he being told to double up? Mind you, the less said about Aluko's defensive work the better, at least Barrow was sort of trying.
It wasn't as bad as Norwich, but in a way it was more frustrating, because what was wrong was down to wrong decisions and set-up rather than feeling the players weren't up to it or bothered. They were trying. (Actually I think Ezatolahi was trying a bit too hard - hence the penalty dive, and the wildly off-target shot in the first half when he should have passed instead)
by Hound » 03 Oct 2018 15:40
by Hopeful » 03 Oct 2018 15:43
by Zip » 03 Oct 2018 16:18
Maneki NekoZipManeki Neko lol at people expecting a team who have been consistently and utterly awful for ages to suddenly turn it around and win every game playing attractive football.
It will be two baby steps forward and 1 baby step back for most of this season. don't get too ahead of ourselves when we win, don't go doolally metal when we lose.
Nope that’s untrue. I do though expect the team to turn up looking motivated and being more organised that a youth team(reference our continuing dreadful marking at corners).
team that has looked unmotivated and looking disorganised not suddenly becoming completely motivated and organised after a couple of good results
by LWJ » 03 Oct 2018 16:27
LWJ Anyone know why we insist on playing a left footed player on the right wing, and a right footed player on the left wing? I wouldn't mind if they switched every so often................... or were decent on their weaker foot.
by Hound » 03 Oct 2018 16:32
LWJ Anyone know why we insist on playing a left footed player on the right wing, and a right footed player on the left wing? I wouldn't mind if they switched every so often................... or were decent on their weaker foot.
by leon » 03 Oct 2018 17:09
HoundLWJ Anyone know why we insist on playing a left footed player on the right wing, and a right footed player on the left wing? I wouldn't mind if they switched every so often................... or were decent on their weaker foot.
Barrow is left footed
Agree on RW though. But then think it’s a case of just squeezing Aluko in somewhere. Don’t think there is any real thought behind it
by Hound » 03 Oct 2018 17:15
by Sanguine » 03 Oct 2018 17:16
by Zip » 03 Oct 2018 18:36
wingnut Can someone educate me on this new tactic of defending corners by having all 11 players in or on the edge of the penalty area, even when we're level or trailing? I could understand it if we were defending a lead but we're doing it right from the start of matches. Being Reading, of course, we're adding a new twist to the tactic whereby all 11 players stand rigidly still and watch the opposition create space and win free headers. QPR's goal came after a succession of corners and free kicks from which we learned nothing and let one of their players come short to flick-on completely unmarked.
Defending set pieces is basic stuff - if you're going to coach them to all come back for every corner then at least coach them to mark opposition players and not space.
Another noticeable tactical difference last night (particularly in the first half) - QPR chased us down incessantly all over the pitch, using 2 or 3 players to hassle us, so when the ball came loose, there was one of theirs on hand to pick it up. We did neither; no pressure on them when they had the ball, especially when they were in their own half, and when we did challenge, it was with one player so no chance of picking up second balls.
Kelly also guilty of bottling challenges - counted at least 3 times he backed out last night.
Also, I've heard of other teams fining players that got cramp within 90 minutes. This is a matter of fitness and so it's down to our training regime that we had players 'cramping up' at the end of the Brentford game.
by Snowflake Royal » 03 Oct 2018 19:47
leonSnowflake RoyalZip On 87 minutes Moore slowly brings the ball out of defence before playing a sideways pass. The ball is then passed forward then back again and then sideways again. Were we 1 up at the time?
Defenders don't do this for no reason. QPR had sat back and packed their final third and had no intention of coming out to press. They'd squeezed the size of the pitch they were defending and our players were tired. There were very few passing options for Moore that didn't risk a turnover and counter attack because of tight marking in numbers, no space and a lack of movement.
For your earlier question to TF about Clement, I'd back him if we get relegated because I don't think the manager is a major part of the problem and our record shows we won't hire anyone better. Even if we do, the players, medical team and recruitment are the main problem so they'll have the same problems as Clement.
Clement, like the team, look lost.
An actual manager would never pick Gunter and Alluko in the same team.
And for all those saying the reaction is over the top - we have 9 points from 11 games. Isn’t after 10 games when you get a picture of how things are going?
by leon » 03 Oct 2018 20:35
Snowflake RoyalleonSnowflake Royal
Defenders don't do this for no reason. QPR had sat back and packed their final third and had no intention of coming out to press. They'd squeezed the size of the pitch they were defending and our players were tired. There were very few passing options for Moore that didn't risk a turnover and counter attack because of tight marking in numbers, no space and a lack of movement.
For your earlier question to TF about Clement, I'd back him if we get relegated because I don't think the manager is a major part of the problem and our record shows we won't hire anyone better. Even if we do, the players, medical team and recruitment are the main problem so they'll have the same problems as Clement.
Clement, like the team, look lost.
An actual manager would never pick Gunter and Alluko in the same team.
And for all those saying the reaction is over the top - we have 9 points from 11 games. Isn’t after 10 games when you get a picture of how things are going?
I think we had an excellent idea after six. I don't disagree with what you say, but what makes you think we'd recruit anyone who would do different?
Clarke - piss all experience, played Gunter
Stam - piss all experience, bought Aluko and played him and Gunter
Clement - piss all experience and plays Aluko and Gunter, although at least with Gunter he's made an effort to give himself more options.
Most the managers around with experience are serial failures.
by Top Flight » 03 Oct 2018 20:37
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