by Eaststandman » 23 Dec 2018 15:42
by Denver Royal » 23 Dec 2018 15:44
From Despair To Where? I'm confused as fcuk but 100% behind the manager. Feels like too much misplaced ire directed at him. He's basically a patsy and absolutely not to blame for anything. Not his fault the heirarchy at the club have had a 3 week long collective brainfart and I won't be blaming Gomes if or when it goes even more to shit than it already is
by From Despair To Where? » 23 Dec 2018 15:52
by CountryRoyal » 23 Dec 2018 15:53
SnowballCountryRoyalSnowball Ask some questions
4 Why do people say, "First thing he needs to do is sort out our defence" when his record (and the words of Portuguese pundits) say he is not good defensively? Tbf that still is the first thing he needs to sort out, that and whether or not he can or can't are not mutually exclusive.
What I mean is (arguing that our defensive qualities are definitely lacking)
why bring in a manager who has been criticised for NOT being good defensively?
by CountryRoyal » 23 Dec 2018 15:54
by From Despair To Where? » 23 Dec 2018 15:57
by Lower West » 23 Dec 2018 16:00
by Snowball » 23 Dec 2018 16:03
by Eaststandman » 23 Dec 2018 16:06
Denver RoyalFrom Despair To Where? I'm confused as fcuk but 100% behind the manager. Feels like too much misplaced ire directed at him. He's basically a patsy and absolutely not to blame for anything. Not his fault the heirarchy at the club have had a 3 week long collective brainfart and I won't be blaming Gomes if or when it goes even more to shit than it already is
That's how I feel, too.
(Btw, you've made some excellent posts on this topic in recent days, reasoned and considered. Well said, m8.)
But yeah, during the manager 'search', one thing that struck me was how far apart and diverse the fan base in here was, as far as who they wanted. Not only that, responses were extreme. For example, I suggested that if staying up is #1 priority then I'd maybe look at Bruce or Big Sam. That was basically met with 'Feck off, I don't want them anywhere near our club!'. Then you had people wanting Ainsworth, the Cowley bros, etc. Some wanted Parky (and yet, want us to play attacking/attractive/entertaining footy at the same time??). Murty. The return of BMc or Pards. O'Shea. Marshall. And that's without talking about any foreigners. It just seemed that the choices were all over the place, with quite different candidates and credentials.
by Snowball » 23 Dec 2018 16:07
CountryRoyal It’s funny how everyone is of the same opinion we haven’t heard one person saying “I’m sure the people in charge are much more qualified to make these decisions than you”. It makes a pleasant change.
by Denver Royal » 23 Dec 2018 16:14
Snowball I am expecting a good result at Millwall, but not "because of" Gomes
by Snowball » 23 Dec 2018 16:14
From Despair To Where? I really want Gomes to do well, phenomenally well in fact because it will go some way to restoring faith that the people running the club are not completely clueless.
I've consistantly backed the owners in the past but these last 3 weeks have fundamentally rocked my belief in them. And it all looked so rosy when Gourlay left.
by Snowball » 23 Dec 2018 16:17
Denver RoyalSnowball I am expecting a good result at Millwall, but not "because of" Gomes
Ha, that didn't take long.
So, er, how many games would it be before he is entitled to any credit then?
by Denver Royal » 23 Dec 2018 16:24
SnowballDenver RoyalSnowball I am expecting a good result at Millwall, but not "because of" Gomes
Ha, that didn't take long.
So, er, how many games would it be before he is entitled to any credit then?
Hell, even when I post BEFORE a ball is kicked the accusations are out?
I repeat
I am going to write off the Millwall-QPR games in terms of his stats.
I'm saying so NOW, so there is no confusion/accusations later.
Not fair to judge the first two results. A manager hardly has time to have an effect
BTW I am expecting a good result at Millwall, but not "because of" Gomes
by Snowball » 23 Dec 2018 16:34
Denver RoyalSnowballDenver Royal Ha, that didn't take long.
So, er, how many games would it be before he is entitled to any credit then?
Hell, even when I post BEFORE a ball is kicked the accusations are out?
I repeat
I am going to write off the Millwall-QPR games in terms of his stats.
I'm saying so NOW, so there is no confusion/accusations later.
BTW I am expecting a good result at Millwall, but not "because of" Gomes
As I recall, Clement got a ton of credit for his first game in charge (1-0 win over QPR).
If things are different now, so be it.
by Sutekh » 23 Dec 2018 16:40
SnowballCountryRoyal It’s funny how everyone is of the same opinion we haven’t heard one person saying “I’m sure the people in charge are much more qualified to make these decisions than you”. It makes a pleasant change.
Usually I WOULD say that but the Chinese owners
have never talked up their football knowledge,
the CEO is not "big on" football knowledge, and
we don't currently have anyone obvious with the
necessary knowledge who is CLEARLY in post
by Snowball » 23 Dec 2018 16:41
SutekhSnowballCountryRoyal It’s funny how everyone is of the same opinion we haven’t heard one person saying “I’m sure the people in charge are much more qualified to make these decisions than you”. It makes a pleasant change.
Usually I WOULD say that but the Chinese owners
have never talked up their football knowledge,
the CEO is not "big on" football knowledge, and
we don't currently have anyone obvious with the
necessary knowledge who is CLEARLY in post
I reckon there may have been some conversation between Reading’s Chinese owners and Wolves’ Chinese owners with them being impressed with the model there and wanting to follow it so have then reached out to an agent with a good few Portuguese contacts.
by Denver Royal » 23 Dec 2018 16:46
SutekhSnowballCountryRoyal It’s funny how everyone is of the same opinion we haven’t heard one person saying “I’m sure the people in charge are much more qualified to make these decisions than you”. It makes a pleasant change.
Usually I WOULD say that but the Chinese owners
have never talked up their football knowledge,
the CEO is not "big on" football knowledge, and
we don't currently have anyone obvious with the
necessary knowledge who is CLEARLY in post
I reckon there may have been some conversation between Reading’s Chinese owners and Wolves’ Chinese owners with them being impressed with the model there and wanting to follow it so have then reached out to an agent with a good few Portuguese contacts.
by tmesis » 23 Dec 2018 17:08
Denver RoyalSnowballDenver Royal Ha, that didn't take long.
So, er, how many games would it be before he is entitled to any credit then?
Hell, even when I post BEFORE a ball is kicked the accusations are out?
I repeat
I am going to write off the Millwall-QPR games in terms of his stats.
I'm saying so NOW, so there is no confusion/accusations later.
Not fair to judge the first two results. A manager hardly has time to have an effect
BTW I am expecting a good result at Millwall, but not "because of" Gomes
As I recall, Clement got a ton of credit for his first game in charge (1-0 win over QPR).
But hey, if things are to be different now, so be it.
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