Confimred loan - Ovie Ejaria

[Snowflake Royal]

Thank you! Any idea how much our losses are over the last 3 years?

I think we're close to needing to break even.

We could be looking at anything from a couple of points to about 15 or 20 depending on just how much we oxf*rd up and what we can cut back.

Remember a lot of our recent big losses have actually already been lowered from bigger numbers by the stadium sale etc.

If we're not careful we could go over by a huge amount. And we ain't getting promoted to dodge the bullitt either

I read somewhere that, like, 14 of the clubs in the Championship are lobbying for lessened measures due to covid19.

The other thing to remember is IF we get a points deduction it seems likely at least 3 other clubs will too.

I am not promoting being irresponsible financially speaking but there is a certain truth to "spend money to make money".

Not in football. At least at our level.

[NewCorkSeth]

I think we're close to needing to break even.

We could be looking at anything from a couple of points to about 15 or 20 depending on just how much we oxf*rd up and what we can cut back.

Remember a lot of our recent big losses have actually already been lowered from bigger numbers by the stadium sale etc.

If we're not careful we could go over by a huge amount. And we ain't getting promoted to dodge the bullitt either

I read somewhere that, like, 14 of the clubs in the Championship are lobbying for lessened measures due to covid19.

The other thing to remember is IF we get a points deduction it seems likely at least 3 other clubs will too.

I am not promoting being irresponsible financially speaking but there is a certain truth to "spend money to make money".

Not in football. At least at our level.

Brentford do it.

[Snowflake Royal]

I read somewhere that, like, 14 of the clubs in the Championship are lobbying for lessened measures due to covid19.

The other thing to remember is IF we get a points deduction it seems likely at least 3 other clubs will too.

I am not promoting being irresponsible financially speaking but there is a certain truth to "spend money to make money".

Not in football. At least at our level.

Brentford do it.

Do they actually make a profit then?

One club means bugger all even if they do.

[NewCorkSeth]

Not in football. At least at our level.

Brentford do it.

Do they actually make a profit then?

One club means bugger all even if they do.

Well they have made 120 million in transfers over the last 5 years.

Thats where you are wrong, one club doing it shows it can be done by other clubs.

[Snowflake Royal]

Brentford do it.

Do they actually make a profit then?

One club means bugger all even if they do.

Well they have made 120 million in transfers over the last 5 years.

Thats where you are wrong, one club doing it shows it can be done by other clubs.

That's not the same as making a profit.

If one club succeeds and 23 don't... what does that tell you about the success of trying to spend to make money.

What's Brentford's record signing? How often do they pay out £1m plus on transfers?

What's their wage to income ratio?

How much profit have they made in each of the last 3 years?

[NewCorkSeth]

Do they actually make a profit then?

One club means bugger all even if they do.

Well they have made 120 million in transfers over the last 5 years.

Thats where you are wrong, one club doing it shows it can be done by other clubs.

That's not the same as making a profit.

If one club succeeds and 23 don't... what does that tell you about the success of trying to spend to make money.

What's Brentford's record signing? How often do they pay out £1m plus on transfers?

What's their wage to income ratio?

How much profit have they made in each of the last 3 years?

They made a 20 million profit last season because they frequestly buy players for fees in the region of 1-3 million and sell them in 2-3 seasons for much more.

Their income is low when you exclude player sales, the owner said they must make 15 million in sales every season for the model to work, which they comfortably do.

What other clubs spend money to make money in that way??? Brentford have embraced the selling club model. Nobody else has. Christ if Bretford had received a 10 million offer for Moore they would have taken it. Thats completely different. Thats what we should copy.

They dont publish their wages but it is apparently Jansson on 20k a week as their top earner. The same wage as Rafael is reportedly on.

Just go look at their transfer history. They buy players for 2 million then sell them for then sell them for 12 million.

[Wycombe Royal]

Do they actually make a profit then?

One club means bugger all even if they do.

Well they have made 120 million in transfers over the last 5 years.

Thats where you are wrong, one club doing it shows it can be done by other clubs.

That's not the same as making a profit.

If one club succeeds and 23 don't... what does that tell you about the success of trying to spend to make money.

What's Brentford's record signing? How often do they pay out £1m plus on transfers?

What's their wage to income ratio?

How much profit have they made in each of the last 3 years?

Brentford regularly spend more than £1m on players - Mbuemo (£5.85m), Jansson (£5.5m), Jansen (£3.4m), Norgaard (£3.1m), Raya (£3m) - those are just a few this season. They have not done this on the cheap......

Last year they recorded a £24m profit, however this was as a result of player sales and land sales for a combined £44m. Otherwise it would have been a £20m loss. They had made a loss in the previous seasons....and their wages to turnover was around 135%.

Not quite a picture of financial stability.

[Snowflake Royal]

Well they have made 120 million in transfers over the last 5 years.

Thats where you are wrong, one club doing it shows it can be done by other clubs.

That's not the same as making a profit.

If one club succeeds and 23 don't... what does that tell you about the success of trying to spend to make money.

What's Brentford's record signing? How often do they pay out £1m plus on transfers?

What's their wage to income ratio?

How much profit have they made in each of the last 3 years?

They made a 20 million profit last season because they frequestly buy players for fees in the region of 1-3 million and sell them in 2-3 seasons for much more.

Their income is low when you exclude player sales, the owner said they must make 15 million in sales every season for the model to work, which they comfortably do.

What other clubs spend money to make money in that way??? Brentford have embraced the selling club model. Nobody else has. Christ if Bretford had received a 10 million offer for Moore they would have taken it. Thats completely different. Thats what we should copy.

They dont publish their wages but it is apparently Jansson on 20k a week as their top earner. The same wage as Rafael is reportedly on.

Just go look at their transfer history. They buy players for 2 million then sell them for then sell them for 12 million.

So yeah, unless we embrace the whole model, which we can't really do just immediately, it doesn't work.

And as of 2018 they made a loss in the two previously reported seasons and their outgoings were about double their incoming.

So basically, they're betting the farm on having someone they can sell for big money, at a time when fees are likely to collapse.

So using them as a reason to spend £3m we don't have, when we need to save about £10 -15m , and have no one to sell for £10m doesn't really work

[NewCorkSeth]

Well they have made 120 million in transfers over the last 5 years.

Thats where you are wrong, one club doing it shows it can be done by other clubs.

That's not the same as making a profit.

If one club succeeds and 23 don't... what does that tell you about the success of trying to spend to make money.

What's Brentford's record signing? How often do they pay out £1m plus on transfers?

What's their wage to income ratio?

How much profit have they made in each of the last 3 years?

Brentford regularly spend more than £1m on players - Mbuemo (£5.85m), Jansson (£5.5m), Jansen (£3.4m), Norgaard (£3.1m), Raya (£3m) - those are just a few this season. They have not done this on the cheap......

Last year they recorded a £24m profit, however this was as a result of player sales and land sales for a combined £44m. Otherwise it would have been a £20m loss. They had made a loss in the previous seasons....and their wages to turnover was around 135%.

Not quite a picture of financial stability.

What do you mean they have not done this on the cheap??

Before this seasons transfers their record was Canos in 2016 for 2.5 million. The average they spend on players is much less than the average they make back.

Easy to take this season, the season they finished 3rd by the way, and say they spend loads on players. They dont. They identify bargains, buy them, develop them, sell them.

Almost every player they have bought for over a million they have sold for a profit or they are still in the team. The team that finished 3rd. Deservedly.

[NewCorkSeth]

That's not the same as making a profit.

If one club succeeds and 23 don't... what does that tell you about the success of trying to spend to make money.

What's Brentford's record signing? How often do they pay out £1m plus on transfers?

What's their wage to income ratio?

How much profit have they made in each of the last 3 years?

They made a 20 million profit last season because they frequestly buy players for fees in the region of 1-3 million and sell them in 2-3 seasons for much more.

Their income is low when you exclude player sales, the owner said they must make 15 million in sales every season for the model to work, which they comfortably do.

What other clubs spend money to make money in that way??? Brentford have embraced the selling club model. Nobody else has. Christ if Bretford had received a 10 million offer for Moore they would have taken it. Thats completely different. Thats what we should copy.

They dont publish their wages but it is apparently Jansson on 20k a week as their top earner. The same wage as Rafael is reportedly on.

Just go look at their transfer history. They buy players for 2 million then sell them for then sell them for 12 million.

So yeah, unless we embrace the whole model, which we can't really do just immediately, it doesn't work.

And as of 2018 they made a loss in the two previously reported seasons and their outgoings were about double their incoming.

So basically, they're betting the farm on having someone they can sell for big money, at a time when fees are likely to collapse.

So using them as a reason to spend £3m we don't have, when we need to save about £10 -15m , and have no one to sell for £10m doesn't really work

They finished those season having made a loss but continued to sign players for fees of over a million. Like Maupay and Konsa. Who they sold for a profit of 25 million combined.

[andrew1957]

Tough call for the club re Ejaria. To me he has shown signs that he could be a great player but he is a risk as he is so far from the finished product which is why Liverpool are prepared to sell for a relatively modest fee of 3M or so.

The problem for us in the post Covid world is that he will most likely want wages far above our likely new salary cap. So perhaps we are trying to renegotiate with Liverpool. If they want shot of the player they might be prepared to do so.

If not the club have a tough decision to either walk away from a player who could one day make us a lot of money or to cough up high wages and risk peeving off other players on lower wages. Not an easy one.

[Hound]

problem with using Brentford as some sort of model, is they are able to make their strategy work because their scouting is clearly top notch. Ours isnt really

The sustainable model for us would be using the academy more. We've shown we can produce players who are not only sellable for large sums, but also as decent squad and first 11 players. We should just trust it more

[NewCorkSeth]

problem with using Brentford as some sort of model, is they are able to make their strategy work because their scouting is clearly top notch. Ours isnt really

The sustainable model for us would be using the academy more. We've shown we can produce players who are not only sellable for large sums, but also as decent squad and first 11 players. We should just trust it more

We, at times, do follow a Brentford model. Meite and Olise are very Brentford style deals.

More of that I say.

Also deals for players like Moore and Swift were great. We just need to get better at identifying replacements rather than holding onto players for dear life. Embrace being a selling club.

[Snowflake Royal]

That's not the same as making a profit.

If one club succeeds and 23 don't... what does that tell you about the success of trying to spend to make money.

What's Brentford's record signing? How often do they pay out £1m plus on transfers?

What's their wage to income ratio?

How much profit have they made in each of the last 3 years?

Brentford regularly spend more than £1m on players - Mbuemo (£5.85m), Jansson (£5.5m), Jansen (£3.4m), Norgaard (£3.1m), Raya (£3m) - those are just a few this season. They have not done this on the cheap......

Last year they recorded a £24m profit, however this was as a result of player sales and land sales for a combined £44m. Otherwise it would have been a £20m loss. They had made a loss in the previous seasons....and their wages to turnover was around 135%.

Not quite a picture of financial stability.

What do you mean they have not done this on the cheap??

Before this seasons transfers their record was Canos in 2016 for 2.5 million. The average they spend on players is much less than the average they make back.

Easy to take this season, the season they finished 3rd by the way, and say they spend loads on players. They dont. They identify bargains, buy them, develop them, sell them.

Almost every player they have bought for over a million they have sold for a profit or they are still in the team. The team that finished 3rd. Deservedly.

Spending close to double income = not in the cheap

[Snowflake Royal]

problem with using Brentford as some sort of model, is they are able to make their strategy work because their scouting is clearly top notch. Ours isnt really

The sustainable model for us would be using the academy more. We've shown we can produce players who are not only sellable for large sums, but also as decent squad and first 11 players. We should just trust it more

We, at times, do follow a Brentford model. Meite and Olise are very Brentford style deals.

More of that I say.

Also deals for players like Moore and Swift were great. We just need to get better at identifying replacements rather than holding onto players for dear life. Embrace being a selling club.

LOL at describing paying PL wages to a mediocre championship player great.

[Wycombe Royal]

That's not the same as making a profit.

If one club succeeds and 23 don't... what does that tell you about the success of trying to spend to make money.

What's Brentford's record signing? How often do they pay out £1m plus on transfers?

What's their wage to income ratio?

How much profit have they made in each of the last 3 years?

Brentford regularly spend more than £1m on players - Mbuemo (£5.85m), Jansson (£5.5m), Jansen (£3.4m), Norgaard (£3.1m), Raya (£3m) - those are just a few this season. They have not done this on the cheap......

Last year they recorded a £24m profit, however this was as a result of player sales and land sales for a combined £44m. Otherwise it would have been a £20m loss. They had made a loss in the previous seasons....and their wages to turnover was around 135%.

Not quite a picture of financial stability.

What do you mean they have not done this on the cheap??

Before this seasons transfers their record was Canos in 2016 for 2.5 million. The average they spend on players is much less than the average they make back.

Easy to take this season, the season they finished 3rd by the way, and say they spend loads on players. They dont. They identify bargains, buy them, develop them, sell them.

Almost every player they have bought for over a million they have sold for a profit or they are still in the team. The team that finished 3rd. Deservedly.

Ermm...that was one of my points. This season they have not done it on the cheap and their third place is in a large part due to those 5 players I mentioned. On top of that Watkins was signed previously for nearly £2m. I'm really not quite sure what you are getting at....

[NewCorkSeth]

Brentford regularly spend more than £1m on players - Mbuemo (£5.85m), Jansson (£5.5m), Jansen (£3.4m), Norgaard (£3.1m), Raya (£3m) - those are just a few this season. They have not done this on the cheap......

Last year they recorded a £24m profit, however this was as a result of player sales and land sales for a combined £44m. Otherwise it would have been a £20m loss. They had made a loss in the previous seasons....and their wages to turnover was around 135%.

Not quite a picture of financial stability.

What do you mean they have not done this on the cheap??

Before this seasons transfers their record was Canos in 2016 for 2.5 million. The average they spend on players is much less than the average they make back.

Easy to take this season, the season they finished 3rd by the way, and say they spend loads on players. They dont. They identify bargains, buy them, develop them, sell them.

Almost every player they have bought for over a million they have sold for a profit or they are still in the team. The team that finished 3rd. Deservedly.

Spending close to double income = not in the cheap

2019/20 spent 31 million. Made 36 million
2018/19 spent 5 million. Made 25 million
2017/18 spent 5 million. Made 13 million
2016/17 spent 4.5 million. Made 13 million
2015/16 spent 9 million. Made 23 million

If you don't see that as successful ong term planning and smart investment in players and think that is a model that cannot be successfully replicated then I dont know what to say. New stadium built too so focusing on profit during this time is a false perspective. They have cracked the system.

[NewCorkSeth]

problem with using Brentford as some sort of model, is they are able to make their strategy work because their scouting is clearly top notch. Ours isnt really

The sustainable model for us would be using the academy more. We've shown we can produce players who are not only sellable for large sums, but also as decent squad and first 11 players. We should just trust it more

We, at times, do follow a Brentford model. Meite and Olise are very Brentford style deals.

More of that I say.

Also deals for players like Moore and Swift were great. We just need to get better at identifying replacements rather than holding onto players for dear life. Embrace being a selling club.

LOL at describing paying PL wages to a mediocre championship player great.

Eh? What? We gave who premier league wasges when we signed them?

[NewCorkSeth]

Brentford regularly spend more than £1m on players - Mbuemo (£5.85m), Jansson (£5.5m), Jansen (£3.4m), Norgaard (£3.1m), Raya (£3m) - those are just a few this season. They have not done this on the cheap......

Last year they recorded a £24m profit, however this was as a result of player sales and land sales for a combined £44m. Otherwise it would have been a £20m loss. They had made a loss in the previous seasons....and their wages to turnover was around 135%.

Not quite a picture of financial stability.

What do you mean they have not done this on the cheap??

Before this seasons transfers their record was Canos in 2016 for 2.5 million. The average they spend on players is much less than the average they make back.

Easy to take this season, the season they finished 3rd by the way, and say they spend loads on players. They dont. They identify bargains, buy them, develop them, sell them.

Almost every player they have bought for over a million they have sold for a profit or they are still in the team. The team that finished 3rd. Deservedly.

Ermm...that was one of my points. This season they have not done it on the cheap and their third place is in a large part due to those 5 players I mentioned. On top of that Watkins was signed previously for nearly £2m. I'm really not quite sure what you are getting at....

most championship clubs regularly spend more than 1 million on a player. What is your point?

This season they are still in profit on player transfers. Building up to the level where you can spend 5 million on a player jnstead of 1 million on a player is exactly what their model offers.

[Snowflake Royal]

What do you mean they have not done this on the cheap??

Before this seasons transfers their record was Canos in 2016 for 2.5 million. The average they spend on players is much less than the average they make back.

Easy to take this season, the season they finished 3rd by the way, and say they spend loads on players. They dont. They identify bargains, buy them, develop them, sell them.

Almost every player they have bought for over a million they have sold for a profit or they are still in the team. The team that finished 3rd. Deservedly.

Spending close to double income = not in the cheap

2019/20 spent 31 million. Made 36 million
2018/19 spent 5 million. Made 25 million
2017/18 spent 5 million. Made 13 million
2016/17 spent 4.5 million. Made 13 million
2015/16 spent 9 million. Made 23 million

If you don't see that as successful ong term planning and smart investment in players and think that is a model that cannot be successfully replicated then I dont know what to say. New stadium built too so focusing on profit during this time is a false perspective. They have cracked the system.

oxf*rd sake Seth, you can't measure the success of a financial model on transfer fees in and out.

It doesn't matter if they make 7 million percent profit on all their transfer dealings if they still spend over their income on wages and end up with an overall loss most seasons.

Forget transfer fees.