by Hound » 15 Feb 2019 09:48
by Sutekh » 15 Feb 2019 10:37
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Isnt that what they said about Glenn Murray and we ended up getting him fit for a better move for him?
Thats the problem with loanees, if they play well, other clubs notice them.
I would agree that Oliviera and Miazga are just the type of players we need; but it all depends what sort of money we have available to spend when the window opens. I also think the other three are good business for this season, but disposable for next.
Id like a reliable centre back and a forward, who wouldnt.
With Murray it wasn't a better move at the time, he went back to Palace as the manager changed. He went on to play 15 times for them which wouldn't have happened if the manager change hadn't.
My recall was Murray was just what we wanted at the time, some fans became convinced we were going to sign him because we'd struck a deal with Palace at the time of the loan, and he ended up playing at a higher level than us at the end of his loan. I would suggest he didnt do that because the Palace regime changed, but because his desireability as a player at the end of the loan period was much higher than at the start. If Oliveira continues as he is, I feel he will have more options at the end of the loan period than the start. Not saying he'll go back to Norwich, because I think they'll get promoted and will probably want to upgrade, but he's no certainty to accept any permanent deal we offer him. Im not convinced there is ever such a thing as a certainty to sign.Old Man Andrews A realistic amount for all our big 3 (Miazga, Martinez, Oliveira) loanees to be made permanent is around £15m I'd say. It is not beyond the realms of possibility to spend that much but it pretty much leaves us with no chance of making other purchases.
My sense is that we'll look to loan a keeper for next season as well.
If the last transfer window is anything to go by, we need to trim the squad before buying. I totally agree with this approach, but I think Oliveira and Miazga will interest us.
by NewCorkSeth » 15 Feb 2019 10:57
by Nameless » 15 Feb 2019 13:19
by muirinho » 15 Feb 2019 13:55
Nameless Regarding Murray, I think the biggest reason we didn’t sign him despite having one of these magic ‘options’ was that he never looked like he was enjoying his time here and gave the impression he couldn’t wait to get out.
I doubt he’d have stayed whatever deal we put to him, he would have gone back to Palace and waited for someone else to come in for him.
by Victor Meldrew » 15 Feb 2019 14:28
Nameless Regarding Murray, I think the biggest reason we didn’t sign him despite having one of these magic ‘options’ was that he never looked like he was enjoying his time here and gave the impression he couldn’t wait to get out.
I doubt he’d have stayed whatever deal we put to him, he would have gone back to Palace and waited for someone else to come in for him.
by Nameless » 15 Feb 2019 14:34
muirinhoNameless Regarding Murray, I think the biggest reason we didn’t sign him despite having one of these magic ‘options’ was that he never looked like he was enjoying his time here and gave the impression he couldn’t wait to get out.
I doubt he’d have stayed whatever deal we put to him, he would have gone back to Palace and waited for someone else to come in for him.
I'm sure you're right, but to be honest, Murray never looks like he's ever enjoying anything. Maybe he just has one of those miserable faces.
by Tilehurstsouthbank » 15 Feb 2019 14:36
Snowflake RoyalHendoSnowflake Royal He's played barely a handful of games for us. Ludicrous to be saying he's as good or better than goalkeepers who put in scores of excellent performances at this stage.
Sometimes you can just tell when someone is a class above. Martinez is, for me.
Class above his competition sure. Potential to have a career at a higher level, sure. At this stage, way too early to compare to Hahnemann, Shaka or Ali Al-Habsi.
by NewCorkSeth » 15 Feb 2019 14:40
NamelessmuirinhoNameless Regarding Murray, I think the biggest reason we didn’t sign him despite having one of these magic ‘options’ was that he never looked like he was enjoying his time here and gave the impression he couldn’t wait to get out.
I doubt he’d have stayed whatever deal we put to him, he would have gone back to Palace and waited for someone else to come in for him.
I'm sure you're right, but to be honest, Murray never looks like he's ever enjoying anything. Maybe he just has one of those miserable faces.
You could be right !
I just remember him showing obvious sings of frustration with team mates and very little positivity.
The way Oliviera celebrated his goal said a lot to me, the guy has had a tough season and seems to be enjoying playing and scoring again.
by Sutekh » 15 Feb 2019 14:40
Victor MeldrewNameless Regarding Murray, I think the biggest reason we didn’t sign him despite having one of these magic ‘options’ was that he never looked like he was enjoying his time here and gave the impression he couldn’t wait to get out.
I doubt he’d have stayed whatever deal we put to him, he would have gone back to Palace and waited for someone else to come in for him.
I sat next to Murray's wife for the Boxing Day game at Brighton and at the time she thought he would be staying.
The lure of going back to Palace presumably turned out to be too much.
by RoyalBlue » 15 Feb 2019 16:09
TilehurstsouthbankSnowflake RoyalHendo
Sometimes you can just tell when someone is a class above. Martinez is, for me.
Class above his competition sure. Potential to have a career at a higher level, sure. At this stage, way too early to compare to Hahnemann, Shaka or Ali Al-Habsi.
Common sense consensus.
by Maneki Neko » 15 Feb 2019 16:10
by Tilehurstsouthbank » 15 Feb 2019 16:31
RoyalBlueTilehurstsouthbankSnowflake Royal Class above his competition sure. Potential to have a career at a higher level, sure. At this stage, way too early to compare to Hahnemann, Shaka or Ali Al-Habsi.
Common sense consensus.
Credibility dashed by including AAH in with the other two. I'm sorry he was good but really not what you would call great.
by Snowflake Royal » 15 Feb 2019 16:32
Maneki Neko he was a very very good shot stopper.
cant compete with those two but is probably the best of the rest
by URZZZZZZZZ » 15 Feb 2019 16:34
Zip Surprised there hasn’t been more praise for Swift’s fantastic pass to Oliveira for the winner. It was fabulous
by Lower West » 15 Feb 2019 16:59
Ranty McRantfaceLower West First half shambles down to Gomes. Poor team set-up. Cannot afford more slip-ups. Should have been dead and buried.
Nope.
Rino was injured and we don't have any other tenacious tough tackling midfielders to play there. His only choice was to play more balanced wide men who would track back and help our only 2 CMs in the middle. I really don't think there was any other choice.
Meite is also not 100% fit and would not last the 90mins.
Blackburn definitely deserved to be ahead in the 1st half and I agree we should have been dead and buried. They knew we had no other CMs and were physically inferior in the middle so all they had to do was hunt our CMs down into hurried passes. That's why we had so little of the ball in the 1st half and why Blackburn overran our midfielders.
We desparately need Eza back to help out Rino when he's fit.
by Blackbag » 15 Feb 2019 18:43
by biff » 15 Feb 2019 19:32
by NewCorkSeth » 15 Feb 2019 19:40
biff Another thing that impressed me re; Miazga (in comparison with Ilori) is that he makes sure his passes reach their intended targets. Ilori too often took too much off of them to make them cute, but frequently got us into trouble. A proper centre half.
by Vision » 16 Feb 2019 08:36
Lower WestRanty McRantfaceLower West First half shambles down to Gomes. Poor team set-up. Cannot afford more slip-ups. Should have been dead and buried.
Nope.
Rino was injured and we don't have any other tenacious tough tackling midfielders to play there. His only choice was to play more balanced wide men who would track back and help our only 2 CMs in the middle. I really don't think there was any other choice.
Meite is also not 100% fit and would not last the 90mins.
Blackburn definitely deserved to be ahead in the 1st half and I agree we should have been dead and buried. They knew we had no other CMs and were physically inferior in the middle so all they had to do was hunt our CMs down into hurried passes. That's why we had so little of the ball in the 1st half and why Blackburn overran our midfielders.
We desparately need Eza back to help out Rino when he's fit.
We've the rest of the season yet to play that's my real concern. Kelly\Swift as a partnership has never worked. Clement worked that one out. Likewise Aluko is a luxury in a team battling relegation. Swift is better in a floating no 10 role as well. Sitting deep restricts his ability to get in the box as often. Bacuna may well prove to be a huge loss.
For far too long we've performed inconsistantly game to game. No sign of this being eradicated yet. Gomes may have plenty of good ideas. But certainly appears to be lacking the tactical nouse. Have we moved on from Clement. Jury is still well and truly out.
When Kelly was disposed in the first half inside the Blackburn half. Blackburn breaking away with a 4 to 2 advantage. Better teams will capitalise. The fragility was there to see.
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