karbota After that performance I think Gunter should now be the number one. Yiadoms turn to sit on the bench.
Well there's a ringing endorsement for Yiadom to start if ever there was one.
by sandman » 29 Nov 2019 08:48
karbota After that performance I think Gunter should now be the number one. Yiadoms turn to sit on the bench.
HendoLower West Rather than say one is better than the other. Having both gives Gowen options depending on who the opposition is.
Plus Howe isn't far away either, I don't think.
by Hendo » 29 Nov 2019 08:54
Old Man AndrewsHendoLower West Rather than say one is better than the other. Having both gives Gowen options depending on who the opposition is.
Plus Howe isn't far away either, I don't think.
you've seen Howe play? What is he like? Is he similar to Yiadom in terms of attacking prowess or is he more of a slow and steady type like Gunter?
What are Howe's main strengths and weaknesses?
Do you know his stats for the under 23's?
Would he benefit from a loan to League 1 or 2?
by NewCorkSeth » 29 Nov 2019 09:56
2 world wars, 1 world cup Quick Q, because I've never got to the bottom of this in my head. Great player for us for years, did well for Wales too, only for Stamball to happen and all of a sudden he turned shite presumably carrying out Stam's "just pass it back" orders a little too well. Now Stamball has gone can we have our old Gunter back?
by muirinho » 29 Nov 2019 11:31
karbota After that performance I think Gunter should now be the number one. Yiadoms turn to sit on the bench.
by leon » 29 Nov 2019 12:54
by Snowflake Royal » 29 Nov 2019 13:00
NewCorkSeth2 world wars, 1 world cup Quick Q, because I've never got to the bottom of this in my head. Great player for us for years, did well for Wales too, only for Stamball to happen and all of a sudden he turned shite presumably carrying out Stam's "just pass it back" orders a little too well. Now Stamball has gone can we have our old Gunter back?
I would argue he was never a "great" player for us. His biggest assets are his consistency and his athleticism. He suffers greatly at the most important defensive duties and always has (imo).
He is always a step too far away from his man, his tackling is often poor, he is not great in the air and cant close down well.
Attacking wise he is fine. Good crossing and fast to move up and down. If his range of passing was a little better he would be a great Wing Back at this level.
Stamball neither improved him nor made him worse. His weaknesses were always there and Stamball just highlighted them. He in no way regressed.
by URZZZZ » 29 Nov 2019 14:43
Snowflake RoyalNewCorkSeth2 world wars, 1 world cup Quick Q, because I've never got to the bottom of this in my head. Great player for us for years, did well for Wales too, only for Stamball to happen and all of a sudden he turned shite presumably carrying out Stam's "just pass it back" orders a little too well. Now Stamball has gone can we have our old Gunter back?
I would argue he was never a "great" player for us. His biggest assets are his consistency and his athleticism. He suffers greatly at the most important defensive duties and always has (imo).
He is always a step too far away from his man, his tackling is often poor, he is not great in the air and cant close down well.
Attacking wise he is fine. Good crossing and fast to move up and down. If his range of passing was a little better he would be a great Wing Back at this level.
Stamball neither improved him nor made him worse. His weaknesses were always there and Stamball just highlighted them. He in no way regressed.
This. Gunter has always been over cautious and safe. He always stands off and he always plays the low risk pass. Whether that is the hopeful ball down the line for McCleary to chase, a hopeful cross to no one in particular or the control back inside and pass to CB.
Stam's style exacerbated and emphasised everything wrong with Gunter's game.
He's never been anything more than a lower mid-table starting full back. Sometimes surrounded by top half players, sometimes by relegation fodder.
He's the perfect back up RB who can slot in as required for 1 - 6 games and do adequately. You know he's professional, you know he's fit and you know with decent players around him you'll get 6/10.
He's never been good enough to be first choice for a team with genuine top 6 aspirations.
by Snowflake Royal » 29 Nov 2019 15:34
URZZZZSnowflake RoyalNewCorkSeth I would argue he was never a "great" player for us. His biggest assets are his consistency and his athleticism. He suffers greatly at the most important defensive duties and always has (imo).
He is always a step too far away from his man, his tackling is often poor, he is not great in the air and cant close down well.
Attacking wise he is fine. Good crossing and fast to move up and down. If his range of passing was a little better he would be a great Wing Back at this level.
Stamball neither improved him nor made him worse. His weaknesses were always there and Stamball just highlighted them. He in no way regressed.
This. Gunter has always been over cautious and safe. He always stands off and he always plays the low risk pass. Whether that is the hopeful ball down the line for McCleary to chase, a hopeful cross to no one in particular or the control back inside and pass to CB.
Stam's style exacerbated and emphasised everything wrong with Gunter's game.
He's never been anything more than a lower mid-table starting full back. Sometimes surrounded by top half players, sometimes by relegation fodder.
He's the perfect back up RB who can slot in as required for 1 - 6 games and do adequately. You know he's professional, you know he's fit and you know with decent players around him you'll get 6/10.
He's never been good enough to be first choice for a team with genuine top 6 aspirations.
I can’t agree with your last statement, I don’t think he is anymore but his first Championship season, he was perfectly adequate as a playoff aspiration team RB, hence why he came 2nd in POTS that season when we came 1 goal off 6th
It seemed that he regressed between the 13/14 season and 14/15 season
by NewCorkSeth » 29 Nov 2019 18:36
Snowflake RoyalURZZZZSnowflake Royal This. Gunter has always been over cautious and safe. He always stands off and he always plays the low risk pass. Whether that is the hopeful ball down the line for McCleary to chase, a hopeful cross to no one in particular or the control back inside and pass to CB.
Stam's style exacerbated and emphasised everything wrong with Gunter's game.
He's never been anything more than a lower mid-table starting full back. Sometimes surrounded by top half players, sometimes by relegation fodder.
He's the perfect back up RB who can slot in as required for 1 - 6 games and do adequately. You know he's professional, you know he's fit and you know with decent players around him you'll get 6/10.
He's never been good enough to be first choice for a team with genuine top 6 aspirations.
I can’t agree with your last statement, I don’t think he is anymore but his first Championship season, he was perfectly adequate as a playoff aspiration team RB, hence why he came 2nd in POTS that season when we came 1 goal off 6th
It seemed that he regressed between the 13/14 season and 14/15 season
2nd in PotS that year was a travesty, loads better than him.
I'm just a visionary years ahead of my time and peers.
by muirinho » 29 Nov 2019 19:13
leon can we not call him that please?
by Ascotexgunner » 29 Nov 2019 19:19
by muirinho » 29 Nov 2019 19:48
Ascotexgunner He is capable of great things, but he is....well.....just a boring and cautious right back.
Having said that Hazard and De Bryne and the rest of the Belgians who were world number 1 ranked and indeed targeting his side in 3 games never got passed him. Scored just once and that was a long range effort. He clearly has somthing, just hard to put my finger on it.
by Snowflake Royal » 29 Nov 2019 20:41
NewCorkSethSnowflake RoyalURZZZZ
I can’t agree with your last statement, I don’t think he is anymore but his first Championship season, he was perfectly adequate as a playoff aspiration team RB, hence why he came 2nd in POTS that season when we came 1 goal off 6th
It seemed that he regressed between the 13/14 season and 14/15 season
2nd in PotS that year was a travesty, loads better than him.
I'm just a visionary years ahead of my time and peers.
I'm with you till the end.
by Zip » 29 Nov 2019 20:58
by URZZZZ » 29 Nov 2019 21:59
Zip Forest fans rated Gunter as an attacking full back.
We saw in our final home game last season how good he can be as attacking full back
He has never let Wales down against top international sides.
by Zip » 29 Nov 2019 22:02
URZZZZZip Forest fans rated Gunter as an attacking full back.
We saw in our final home game last season how good he can be as attacking full back
He has never let Wales down against top international sides.
I remember watching his cross for Vokes’ goal against Belgium and wondering why he doesn’t do that for us
by muirinho » 29 Nov 2019 23:31
URZZZZZip Forest fans rated Gunter as an attacking full back.
We saw in our final home game last season how good he can be as attacking full back
He has never let Wales down against top international sides.
I remember watching his cross for Vokes’ goal against Belgium and wondering why he doesn’t do that for us
by URZZZZ » 29 Nov 2019 23:44
muirinhoURZZZZZip Forest fans rated Gunter as an attacking full back.
We saw in our final home game last season how good he can be as attacking full back
He has never let Wales down against top international sides.
I remember watching his cross for Vokes’ goal against Belgium and wondering why he doesn’t do that for us
Ha, I can remember thinking - none of our strikers would have got to that ball!
by loyalroyal4life » 30 Nov 2019 01:30
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