by Snowflake Royal » 22 Apr 2021 17:27
by leon » 22 Apr 2021 17:29
Snowflake RoyalZipSanguine
You have a bizarre attitude. Just told someone to 'pipe down' for having a view. I must have misunderstood. I directed my response directly at you because you seemed to be of the view that he should have no more than the autumn. Your subsequent post suggests 'that's just football'.
Which is it? To give me a fair shot. Is it your view, or that of football in general? Either way, it's a ridiculous point of view.
Pointless debating with you. Such an arrogant know it all.
Sangers is cool zip.
by KC Royal » 22 Apr 2021 18:37
by The Royal Forester » 22 Apr 2021 18:55
Snowflake RoyalForbury LionSnowflake Royal Manager should only be sacked if he's taking us into a doomed looking relegation fight and that isn't expected.
Or
He's had at least 2 full seasons, preferably 3, without clear progress.
Fin
or some form of gross misconduct making his or her position untenable.
Or their.
I'll stick to his until there's actually an alternative in the game.
by Brogue » 22 Apr 2021 18:58
The Royal ForesterSnowflake RoyalForbury Lion or some form of gross misconduct making his or her position untenable.
Or their.
I'll stick to his until there's actually an alternative in the game.
There is plenty of "her" managers in the women's game. As the game, in general, also covers them, there is an alternative in the game. (even if you don't agree with Womens Football). Forbury is correct in saying his or hers.
by Snowflake Royal » 22 Apr 2021 19:09
The Royal ForesterSnowflake RoyalForbury Lion or some form of gross misconduct making his or her position untenable.
Or their.
I'll stick to his until there's actually an alternative in the game.
There is plenty of "her" managers in the women's game. As the game, in general, also covers them, there is an alternative in the game. (even if you don't agree with Womens Football). Forbury is correct in saying his or hers.
by BR0B0T » 22 Apr 2021 19:21
Snowflake RoyalThe Royal ForesterSnowflake Royal Or their.
I'll stick to his until there's actually an alternative in the game.
There is plenty of "her" managers in the women's game. As the game, in general, also covers them, there is an alternative in the game. (even if you don't agree with Womens Football). Forbury is correct in saying his or hers.
He's welcome to.
Though he's being exclusive to gender neutrals.
And I was only talking about the mens game. So...
by BR0B0T » 22 Apr 2021 19:22
by Lower West » 22 Apr 2021 19:25
KC Royal Don't want him to go, apart from anything else he hasn't had the chance to manage us in a "normal" season yet, but I've had a feeling for the last couple of months that if we didn't make the Top 6 the owners would sack him.
by Stranded » 22 Apr 2021 19:52
Lower WestKC Royal Don't want him to go, apart from anything else he hasn't had the chance to manage us in a "normal" season yet, but I've had a feeling for the last couple of months that if we didn't make the Top 6 the owners would sack him.
The owners have no interest in a normal season. There'll just keep on rolling the dice.
by PremAddict » 22 Apr 2021 20:02
by Zip » 22 Apr 2021 20:09
PremAddict Kind of a knee-jerk-reaction thread. He obviously did something positive that neither Gomes nor Bowen could accomplish. But he should be questioned about what he's learned and plans to change. It's up to his bosses to ensure he does a good job.
by Sanguine » 23 Apr 2021 08:18
ZipSanguineSnowflake Royal Sangers is cool zip.
All I see is Zip repeatedly throwing his toys around when challenged on a point of view.
It’s the way you go about it. If you call someone else’s view ridiculous don’t expect them to take what you have to say seriously.
by Zip » 23 Apr 2021 08:40
SanguineZipSanguine
All I see is Zip repeatedly throwing his toys around when challenged on a point of view.
It’s the way you go about it. If you call someone else’s view ridiculous don’t expect them to take what you have to say seriously.
It IS ridiculous to be talking about sacking a guy in the autumn who looks likely to see us miss the playoffs by a single place and three or four points. If that's where we are as a club - effectively one and done for any manager, with no real funds to improve the side, then we're done as a 'football club', and are just a business.
It's one thing to say 'if we look like we're going to go down at Xmas....', and another entirely to insist that, on no budget and with Olise and Richards likely to leave in the summer, that any manager maintain a status as promotion contenders. Paunovic has done brilliantly.
If your point is 'well that's football' then I'd agree, but I read it as your personal point of view, and I really can't understand why any fan would advocate his sacking early next season, unless things really are totally (as in Wycombe level) dire.
by Hound » 23 Apr 2021 09:09
by Stranded » 23 Apr 2021 09:29
Hound I'm not sure we've played that badly recently tbh. A lot has been in context of what we needed, to an extent a few issues have cost us dropped points, mainly due to a lack of form of the front 4 imo (and we know they are all capable of so much more)
We played ok against Cardiff and Luton, not easy games and didnt lose either. Were the better side probably against Barnsley away, which is tough as they come atm. Played well against Watford at times, again very tough game. Beat Derby comfortably enough. Got a half decent point against Forest, played fairly well against a form side at the time in QPR.
The Brum game is the only one we've really stunk the place out - the others weren't especially different to our early season form, just missing chances instead of scoring them.
Obviously we needed more than we got against those teams, but not one of them really outplayed us or anything like that.
by Sanguine » 23 Apr 2021 09:34
Hound I'm not sure we've played that badly recently tbh. A lot has been in context of what we needed, to an extent a few issues have cost us dropped points, mainly due to a lack of form of the front 4 imo (and we know they are all capable of so much more)
We played ok against Cardiff and Luton, not easy games and didnt lose either. Were the better side probably against Barnsley away, which is tough as they come atm. Played well against Watford at times, again very tough game. Beat Derby comfortably enough. Got a half decent point against Forest, played fairly well against a form side at the time in QPR.
The Brum game is the only one we've really stunk the place out - the others weren't especially different to our early season form, just missing chances instead of scoring them.
Obviously we needed more than we got against those teams, but not one of them really outplayed us or anything like that.
by Hendo » 23 Apr 2021 09:37
SanguineHound I'm not sure we've played that badly recently tbh. A lot has been in context of what we needed, to an extent a few issues have cost us dropped points, mainly due to a lack of form of the front 4 imo (and we know they are all capable of so much more)
We played ok against Cardiff and Luton, not easy games and didnt lose either. Were the better side probably against Barnsley away, which is tough as they come atm. Played well against Watford at times, again very tough game. Beat Derby comfortably enough. Got a half decent point against Forest, played fairly well against a form side at the time in QPR.
The Brum game is the only one we've really stunk the place out - the others weren't especially different to our early season form, just missing chances instead of scoring them.
Obviously we needed more than we got against those teams, but not one of them really outplayed us or anything like that.
I agree. That's what really enthuses me about what Paunovic has done. Broadly speaking, we've played good football this season. The result at Watford glosses over what was a very good away performance. As you say, Derby we put aside easily, QPR another good performance.
Context for me is that we are merely Lucas Joao's three missed penalties from being right in the play-off mix (we'd be four points better off) with three games to go.
As I said above, if we're expecting as a minimum that a Reading manager maintains a promotion push with no money to spend and facing losing players each summer then we're done as a football club. Of course we want to see promotion, but frankly any manager that is comfortably keeping us in this division should also keep their job, imho.
by Zip » 23 Apr 2021 10:32
StrandedHound I'm not sure we've played that badly recently tbh. A lot has been in context of what we needed, to an extent a few issues have cost us dropped points, mainly due to a lack of form of the front 4 imo (and we know they are all capable of so much more)
We played ok against Cardiff and Luton, not easy games and didnt lose either. Were the better side probably against Barnsley away, which is tough as they come atm. Played well against Watford at times, again very tough game. Beat Derby comfortably enough. Got a half decent point against Forest, played fairly well against a form side at the time in QPR.
The Brum game is the only one we've really stunk the place out - the others weren't especially different to our early season form, just missing chances instead of scoring them.
Obviously we needed more than we got against those teams, but not one of them really outplayed us or anything like that.
That's the thing, whilst it is disappointing that baring a minor miracle we are done with regards to the play-offs - it really is small margins.
We are going to drop out because of a massive run of defeats, we've just really failed to turn draws into wins.
As the majority view is the Wycombe defeat was a massive turning point, that is 12 games back - our record including that is:
W4 D5 L3
Now 3 defeats, one of which was that Wycombe game and another at Watford where, well nearly everyone loses - is actuall pretty decent.
What has hurt is not taking chances to win at Forest, Barnsley, v QPR and then the last 2 where we probably should have done better. Turn just 2 of those 5 draws to wins, and we are on 72 and still in the hunt, 3 and we are 6th.
So yeah, we have been competitive in all bar a couple of poor performances and should have taken more points in most - small margins.
by Norfolk Royal » 23 Apr 2021 10:48
Millsytidus_mi2Snowflake Royal Manager should only be sacked if he's taking us into a doomed looking relegation fight and that isn't expected.
Or
He's had at least 2 full seasons, preferably 3, without clear progress.
Fin
Pretty much how I see it too. If we'd sacked managers as easily as some would have like, Coppell would definitely have gone long before the 05/06 season.
The difference is Coppell had an astonishingly good record so we knew we could keep the faith as some of us were arguing on here before he even joined.
The Owners have only chopped and changed nobody noobs. Stam, Gomes, Bowen, Pauno with respect were all nobody noobs.
I supported Burns and Adkins for much longer because they had some record behind them, but I'd be less inclined to support a noob longterm. Ok so Burns and Adkins didn't work out too well but it's more acceptable.
If Owners are looking for the next Parj or FSB they probably need evidence of success more quickly. That's what I'd like to see.
Having said that, we did let go of Brenda too soon.... then again some of us were against that as we could see the promise.
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