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Re: Ince out!

by Snowflake Royal » 13 Nov 2022 22:11

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Hound Ince has done and is doing ok. Don’t really think he is a long term answer in terms as he won’t get us up

Every manager moans or whinges about illogical things at times, find it just as boring fans picking up on stuff like Ince saying we are tired as an excuse and bleating on about that. It’s just nonsense cliches to get through their presser, he isn’t stupid

I like the guy - watched his 10m interview after the Hull game and thought that’s a good guy. Nice change after Pauno, Adkins and Gomes’ try hard big smiles and suntans, Clements boringness and Stam’s general unpleasantness.

Happy for him to hang around for a while

I don't think getting promoted is a realistic option for the forseeable future whoever is in charge, not unless we are brilliant in our recruitment and/or some real gems come through the youth set-up.

Should be realistic potential over the next 5 years if we get our act together. Coming out of the financial catastrophe Dai put us in now.

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Re: Ince out!

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 14 Nov 2022 08:40

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Hound Ince has done and is doing ok. Don’t really think he is a long term answer in terms as he won’t get us up

Every manager moans or whinges about illogical things at times, find it just as boring fans picking up on stuff like Ince saying we are tired as an excuse and bleating on about that. It’s just nonsense cliches to get through their presser, he isn’t stupid

I like the guy - watched his 10m interview after the Hull game and thought that’s a good guy. Nice change after Pauno, Adkins and Gomes’ try hard big smiles and suntans, Clements boringness and Stam’s general unpleasantness.

Happy for him to hang around for a while

I don't think getting promoted is a realistic option for the forseeable future whoever is in charge, not unless we are brilliant in our recruitment and/or some real gems come through the youth set-up.

Should be realistic potential over the next 5 years if we get our act together. Coming out of the financial catastrophe Dai put us in now.


Should be definitely building towards it, but I'm not sure if we will get it. A lot of clubs have been in this league for that amount of time and haven't really come near promotion, namely Preston, Bristol City, Millwall etc who have all been top half sides but never anything more and some (Bristol City) look further away than they've been previously.

Sometimes I think teams can just spend a few years consolidating and that's what I think we will be doing for the foreseeable in this league, providing we stay here. But if we do get our recruitment right and a couple of players come through the ranks, then maybe we will have a chance in years to come.

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Re: Ince out!

by Hound » 14 Nov 2022 08:51

Truth is unless they change the parachute payments, no one has much of a chance of promotion outside the yo yo teams

Thought this year the teams coming down would be relatively weak, but even in this inconsistent season, note that sheff utd, Burnley, Norwich and Watford have all drifted back to the top without even being particularly good

Blackburn the only non parachute in the top 5, and strongly suspect they’ll start slipping down

Great progress or a good season is scratching into the play offs like we almost did in Pauno season 1

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Re: Ince out!

by blythspartan » 14 Nov 2022 08:58

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tmesis I don't think getting promoted is a realistic option for the forseeable future whoever is in charge, not unless we are brilliant in our recruitment and/or some real gems come through the youth set-up.

Should be realistic potential over the next 5 years if we get our act together. Coming out of the financial catastrophe Dai put us in now.


Should be definitely building towards it, but I'm not sure if we will get it. A lot of clubs have been in this league for that amount of time and haven't really come near promotion, namely Preston, Bristol City, Millwall etc who have all been top half sides but never anything more and some (Bristol City) look further away than they've been previously.

Sometimes I think teams can just spend a few years consolidating and that's what I think we will be doing for the foreseeable in this league, providing we stay here. But if we do get our recruitment right and a couple of players come through the ranks, then maybe we will have a chance in years to come.


In no hurry to return to the Premiership tbh. Survival this year is paramount and then I’d like to see us build a team using a mixture of our academy, the lower leagues and youngsters surplus to requirements at premiership clubs.

A 5 year plan would be about right and in Dai we have an owner who could provide us with the money required to help us compete.

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Re: Ince out!

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 14 Nov 2022 09:06

Hound Truth is unless they change the parachute payments, no one has much of a chance of promotion outside the yo yo teams

Thought this year the teams coming down would be relatively weak, but even in this inconsistent season, note that sheff utd, Burnley, Norwich and Watford have all drifted back to the top without even being particularly good

Blackburn the only non parachute in the top 5, and strongly suspect they’ll start slipping down

Great progress or a good season is scratching into the play offs like we almost did in Pauno season 1


Are parachute payments changing as of 2024? Or is that just FFP regulations changing? Or both?

Without looking I can't remember if they said it was changing, seem to remember talk of wages-turnover ratio wanting to be no more than 70% for all clubs in the English leagues I believe?


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Re: Ince out!

by Snowflake Royal » 14 Nov 2022 13:00

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Snowflake Royal Should be realistic potential over the next 5 years if we get our act together. Coming out of the financial catastrophe Dai put us in now.


Should be definitely building towards it, but I'm not sure if we will get it. A lot of clubs have been in this league for that amount of time and haven't really come near promotion, namely Preston, Bristol City, Millwall etc who have all been top half sides but never anything more and some (Bristol City) look further away than they've been previously.

Sometimes I think teams can just spend a few years consolidating and that's what I think we will be doing for the foreseeable in this league, providing we stay here. But if we do get our recruitment right and a couple of players come through the ranks, then maybe we will have a chance in years to come.


In no hurry to return to the Premiership tbh. Survival this year is paramount and then I’d like to see us build a team using a mixture of our academy, the lower leagues and youngsters surplus to requirements at premiership clubs.

A 5 year plan would be about right and in Dai we have an owner who could provide us with the money required to help us compete.

Also no particular hurry to get there. A few years of consistently 3rd - 9th would be nice.

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Re: Ince out!

by elrey » 15 Nov 2022 00:07

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elrey Ince has proven himself to be a manager who makes a hash of things after a short period of time.

Has he? Or has he just tended to be at clubs where the odds are that failure is likely eventually?


Let's take a look.

Took over Blackburn for the 2008/2009 season. They'd finished 7th in the Premier League under Mark Hughes the previous season. They did have a 9 game trott of one win, three draws, Ince took over, got three wins in his first 6 games, then went on an 11 game run of no wins, three draws. 6 defeats in a row, they finished 15th, Allardyce came in and managed 7 defeats for the rest of the season, beat Wigan 2-0 after Ince lost 3-0 to them. Finished 10th under Allardyce the season after.

The next season, back at MK Dons, they'd finished 3rd the season before in League One. Finished 12th under Ince. Had an 11 game spell at the end of the season with no wins. Finished 5th the season after under Karl Robinson.

Then off to Notts County, they'd gone up from League Two the previous season, so a little difficult to compare, took Ince about a month to get the team winning, got 4 wins out of five and a draw. By March the losing streak happened, 10 losses in 11 games, though three of those were after he got fired, then they got 2 wins, 2 draws and a defeat in the last 5 to finish 19th, they finished 7th the season after in League One.

Blackpool, truly awful season for them. a 14 non winning run before Ince took over. He got three wins and two draws from his 15 games that season. Three wins up until his sacking in January the next season. He didn't improve the team and they finished bottom by a long way. Can't blame Ince for this one and it doesn't show him getting results then losing it.

But to sum up, he took a team that had finished 7th and had them way down in 19th. Allardyce brought them up to 15th then finished 10th the season after.

Ince messed up.

MK Dons had finished 3rd, he had a mare, then they finished 5th the season after.

Ince messed up.

Notts County, Ince got them playing, then saw a bad run, the season after they finished 7th.

We could also look at Macclesfield where they finished one place above relegation, though Ince probably saved them, but had a poor run of one win in their final 6 games which never saw them in much danger as the other two teams were 12 points or more off the pace.

So, I'd say no, Ince didn't take teams that were perpetual failures. Blackpool, yes, other than that, no. He sometimes got the teams playing, but then hit a patch where he simply struggled to get results, massive non-winning periods before getting fired, and the records of those who took over from him are BETTER than his.

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Re: Ince out!

by paultheroyal » 15 Nov 2022 12:39

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elrey Ince has proven himself to be a manager who makes a hash of things after a short period of time.

Has he? Or has he just tended to be at clubs where the odds are that failure is likely eventually?


Let's take a look.

Took over Blackburn for the 2008/2009 season. They'd finished 7th in the Premier League under Mark Hughes the previous season. They did have a 9 game trott of one win, three draws, Ince took over, got three wins in his first 6 games, then went on an 11 game run of no wins, three draws. 6 defeats in a row, they finished 15th, Allardyce came in and managed 7 defeats for the rest of the season, beat Wigan 2-0 after Ince lost 3-0 to them. Finished 10th under Allardyce the season after.

The next season, back at MK Dons, they'd finished 3rd the season before in League One. Finished 12th under Ince. Had an 11 game spell at the end of the season with no wins. Finished 5th the season after under Karl Robinson.

Then off to Notts County, they'd gone up from League Two the previous season, so a little difficult to compare, took Ince about a month to get the team winning, got 4 wins out of five and a draw. By March the losing streak happened, 10 losses in 11 games, though three of those were after he got fired, then they got 2 wins, 2 draws and a defeat in the last 5 to finish 19th, they finished 7th the season after in League One.

Blackpool, truly awful season for them. a 14 non winning run before Ince took over. He got three wins and two draws from his 15 games that season. Three wins up until his sacking in January the next season. He didn't improve the team and they finished bottom by a long way. Can't blame Ince for this one and it doesn't show him getting results then losing it.

But to sum up, he took a team that had finished 7th and had them way down in 19th. Allardyce brought them up to 15th then finished 10th the season after.

Ince messed up.

MK Dons had finished 3rd, he had a mare, then they finished 5th the season after.

Ince messed up.

Notts County, Ince got them playing, then saw a bad run, the season after they finished 7th.

We could also look at Macclesfield where they finished one place above relegation, though Ince probably saved them, but had a poor run of one win in their final 6 games which never saw them in much danger as the other two teams were 12 points or more off the pace.

So, I'd say no, Ince didn't take teams that were perpetual failures. Blackpool, yes, other than that, no. He sometimes got the teams playing, but then hit a patch where he simply struggled to get results, massive non-winning periods before getting fired, and the records of those who took over from him are BETTER than his.


So in summary - in cherry picking the facts and stats to suit - 2 were a success and 2 were not. Lets call that a draw. Perhaps "in-different" or "neutral" were the words you were looking for. Hope that helps.

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Re: Ince out!

by elrey » 16 Nov 2022 07:31

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tmesis Has he? Or has he just tended to be at clubs where the odds are that failure is likely eventually?


Let's take a look.

Took over Blackburn for the 2008/2009 season. They'd finished 7th in the Premier League under Mark Hughes the previous season. They did have a 9 game trott of one win, three draws, Ince took over, got three wins in his first 6 games, then went on an 11 game run of no wins, three draws. 6 defeats in a row, they finished 15th, Allardyce came in and managed 7 defeats for the rest of the season, beat Wigan 2-0 after Ince lost 3-0 to them. Finished 10th under Allardyce the season after.

The next season, back at MK Dons, they'd finished 3rd the season before in League One. Finished 12th under Ince. Had an 11 game spell at the end of the season with no wins. Finished 5th the season after under Karl Robinson.

Then off to Notts County, they'd gone up from League Two the previous season, so a little difficult to compare, took Ince about a month to get the team winning, got 4 wins out of five and a draw. By March the losing streak happened, 10 losses in 11 games, though three of those were after he got fired, then they got 2 wins, 2 draws and a defeat in the last 5 to finish 19th, they finished 7th the season after in League One.

Blackpool, truly awful season for them. a 14 non winning run before Ince took over. He got three wins and two draws from his 15 games that season. Three wins up until his sacking in January the next season. He didn't improve the team and they finished bottom by a long way. Can't blame Ince for this one and it doesn't show him getting results then losing it.

But to sum up, he took a team that had finished 7th and had them way down in 19th. Allardyce brought them up to 15th then finished 10th the season after.

Ince messed up.

MK Dons had finished 3rd, he had a mare, then they finished 5th the season after.

Ince messed up.

Notts County, Ince got them playing, then saw a bad run, the season after they finished 7th.

We could also look at Macclesfield where they finished one place above relegation, though Ince probably saved them, but had a poor run of one win in their final 6 games which never saw them in much danger as the other two teams were 12 points or more off the pace.

So, I'd say no, Ince didn't take teams that were perpetual failures. Blackpool, yes, other than that, no. He sometimes got the teams playing, but then hit a patch where he simply struggled to get results, massive non-winning periods before getting fired, and the records of those who took over from him are BETTER than his.


So in summary - in cherry picking the facts and stats to suit - 2 were a success and 2 were not. Lets call that a draw. Perhaps "in-different" or "neutral" were the words you were looking for. Hope that helps.


Not cherrypicking at all.

He's had ONE successful season, in terms of doing well all season, that was with MK Dons. With the exception of Blackpool where he was rubbish, because Blackpool were rubbish, he's managed to boost teams, for a short while.

Macclesfield he boosted them, then dropped off at the end.
Blackburn he had a few good games at the beginning of the season before it all fell apart after 6 games
MK Dons second time, he started off well and it dropped off with 11 games to go.
Notts County got them winning after five games, and then dropped off.

It's a theme. You don't want to see it, fine, but it's happening here again.


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Re: Ince out!

by Sutekh » 16 Nov 2022 08:23

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Let's take a look.

Took over Blackburn for the 2008/2009 season. They'd finished 7th in the Premier League under Mark Hughes the previous season. They did have a 9 game trott of one win, three draws, Ince took over, got three wins in his first 6 games, then went on an 11 game run of no wins, three draws. 6 defeats in a row, they finished 15th, Allardyce came in and managed 7 defeats for the rest of the season, beat Wigan 2-0 after Ince lost 3-0 to them. Finished 10th under Allardyce the season after.

The next season, back at MK Dons, they'd finished 3rd the season before in League One. Finished 12th under Ince. Had an 11 game spell at the end of the season with no wins. Finished 5th the season after under Karl Robinson.

Then off to Notts County, they'd gone up from League Two the previous season, so a little difficult to compare, took Ince about a month to get the team winning, got 4 wins out of five and a draw. By March the losing streak happened, 10 losses in 11 games, though three of those were after he got fired, then they got 2 wins, 2 draws and a defeat in the last 5 to finish 19th, they finished 7th the season after in League One.

Blackpool, truly awful season for them. a 14 non winning run before Ince took over. He got three wins and two draws from his 15 games that season. Three wins up until his sacking in January the next season. He didn't improve the team and they finished bottom by a long way. Can't blame Ince for this one and it doesn't show him getting results then losing it.

But to sum up, he took a team that had finished 7th and had them way down in 19th. Allardyce brought them up to 15th then finished 10th the season after.

Ince messed up.

MK Dons had finished 3rd, he had a mare, then they finished 5th the season after.

Ince messed up.

Notts County, Ince got them playing, then saw a bad run, the season after they finished 7th.

We could also look at Macclesfield where they finished one place above relegation, though Ince probably saved them, but had a poor run of one win in their final 6 games which never saw them in much danger as the other two teams were 12 points or more off the pace.

So, I'd say no, Ince didn't take teams that were perpetual failures. Blackpool, yes, other than that, no. He sometimes got the teams playing, but then hit a patch where he simply struggled to get results, massive non-winning periods before getting fired, and the records of those who took over from him are BETTER than his.


So in summary - in cherry picking the facts and stats to suit - 2 were a success and 2 were not. Lets call that a draw. Perhaps "in-different" or "neutral" were the words you were looking for. Hope that helps.


Not cherrypicking at all.

He's had ONE successful season, in terms of doing well all season, that was with MK Dons. With the exception of Blackpool where he was rubbish, because Blackpool were rubbish, he's managed to boost teams, for a short while.

Macclesfield he boosted them, then dropped off at the end.
Blackburn he had a few good games at the beginning of the season before it all fell apart after 6 games
MK Dons second time, he started off well and it dropped off with 11 games to go.
Notts County got them winning after five games, and then dropped off.

It's a theme. You don't want to see it, fine, but it's happening here again.


He’s done ok here so far, no he’s not the best manager out there but given the club’s circumstances I don’t see a need to be calling for him to go and after the last incumbent he is certainly a step up.

With a fully fit set of defensive options to call on Reading will hopefully improve consistency and finish somewhere around where they are now which is probably exceeding realistic expectations for the season and you can’t ask for more than that.

Then Reading can hopefully challenge on a little more even keel in the summer - and with both Bowen and Carey behind the scenes to oversee recruitment there’s no reason to suspect that wouldn’t be possible esp. given what we’ve seen so far.

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Re: Ince out!

by Snowflake Royal » 16 Nov 2022 08:25

Proof will certainly be in the pudding of the next 10 - 20 games.

Given the Ince pattern matches very closely with the recent RFC pattern, it looks pretty likely.

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Re: Ince out!

by Loafer » 16 Nov 2022 09:36

20 games?!

we will be down by then at this rate

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Re: Ince out!

by blythspartan » 16 Nov 2022 10:17

I think PInce is far from great but he has certainly been a catalyst in helping the club get back on the right track.

I feel he’s a great motivator but he’s not the best tactician. However, we have had some supposedly good tactical managers who have wanted players to pass and arrive between the lines but they haven’t been able to gel a decent group of players into a TEAM.

PInce has certainly had less injuries to worry about than Pauno but we have just come through a really tough batch of games with very limited options in central defence and we haven’t been battered by anyone. I feel that PInce can lead us to safety this season and if he achieves that goal he’s up there as manager of the season for me.

I am not convinced he’s the manager to take us forward over the next 2 - 5 years but it’s too easy to underestimate what he’s done for the club since he took over last season.


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Re: Ince out!

by elrey » 16 Nov 2022 11:44

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So in summary - in cherry picking the facts and stats to suit - 2 were a success and 2 were not. Lets call that a draw. Perhaps "in-different" or "neutral" were the words you were looking for. Hope that helps.


Not cherrypicking at all.

He's had ONE successful season, in terms of doing well all season, that was with MK Dons. With the exception of Blackpool where he was rubbish, because Blackpool were rubbish, he's managed to boost teams, for a short while.

Macclesfield he boosted them, then dropped off at the end.
Blackburn he had a few good games at the beginning of the season before it all fell apart after 6 games
MK Dons second time, he started off well and it dropped off with 11 games to go.
Notts County got them winning after five games, and then dropped off.

It's a theme. You don't want to see it, fine, but it's happening here again.


He’s done ok here so far, no he’s not the best manager out there but given the club’s circumstances I don’t see a need to be calling for him to go and after the last incumbent he is certainly a step up.

With a fully fit set of defensive options to call on Reading will hopefully improve consistency and finish somewhere around where they are now which is probably exceeding realistic expectations for the season and you can’t ask for more than that.

Then Reading can hopefully challenge on a little more even keel in the summer - and with both Bowen and Carey behind the scenes to oversee recruitment there’s no reason to suspect that wouldn’t be possible esp. given what we’ve seen so far.


Yes, he has. And He's done the same at every club except Blackpool (I mean, who could have done anything there?) and Blackburn. He has a knack of motivating players to play for a short time, and a short time only. Then the players seem to run out of steam and confidence and giving a damn, and it all goes wrong.

The thing is, if we see another Incey special, chances are we'll go down. We only have 29 points. West Brom are winning, three on the bounce, if two of the other four teams (Hull and below) start picking up points, we could be in for a torrid time.

Anything is possible. Ince has never, ever made it to 365 days at any club because he does enough to get himself fired EVERY TIME. Huge not winning runs and he doesn't seem to know how to get a club out of it. Maybe he's matured, maybe he's studied, or maybe he's just doing the same old as before.

The reality is, I don't see him making it to 365 days.

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Re: Ince out!

by Snowflake Royal » 16 Nov 2022 12:20

blythspartan I think PInce is far from great but he has certainly been a catalyst in helping the club get back on the right track.

I feel he’s a great motivator but he’s not the best tactician. However, we have had some supposedly good tactical managers who have wanted players to pass and arrive between the lines but they haven’t been able to gel a decent group of players into a TEAM.

PInce has certainly had less injuries to worry about than Pauno but we have just come through a really tough batch of games with very limited options in central defence and we haven’t been battered by anyone. I feel that PInce can lead us to safety this season and if he achieves that goal he’s up there as manager of the season for me.

I am not convinced he’s the manager to take us forward over the next 2 - 5 years but it’s too easy to underestimate what he’s done for the club since he took over last season.

He's definitely helped drive better decisions in terms of club strategy.

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Re: Ince out!

by Hound » 16 Nov 2022 12:48

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Not cherrypicking at all.

He's had ONE successful season, in terms of doing well all season, that was with MK Dons. With the exception of Blackpool where he was rubbish, because Blackpool were rubbish, he's managed to boost teams, for a short while.

Macclesfield he boosted them, then dropped off at the end.
Blackburn he had a few good games at the beginning of the season before it all fell apart after 6 games
MK Dons second time, he started off well and it dropped off with 11 games to go.
Notts County got them winning after five games, and then dropped off.

It's a theme. You don't want to see it, fine, but it's happening here again.


He’s done ok here so far, no he’s not the best manager out there but given the club’s circumstances I don’t see a need to be calling for him to go and after the last incumbent he is certainly a step up.

With a fully fit set of defensive options to call on Reading will hopefully improve consistency and finish somewhere around where they are now which is probably exceeding realistic expectations for the season and you can’t ask for more than that.

Then Reading can hopefully challenge on a little more even keel in the summer - and with both Bowen and Carey behind the scenes to oversee recruitment there’s no reason to suspect that wouldn’t be possible esp. given what we’ve seen so far.


Yes, he has. And He's done the same at every club except Blackpool (I mean, who could have done anything there?) and Blackburn. He has a knack of motivating players to play for a short time, and a short time only. Then the players seem to run out of steam and confidence and giving a damn, and it all goes wrong.

The thing is, if we see another Incey special, chances are we'll go down. We only have 29 points. West Brom are winning, three on the bounce, if two of the other four teams (Hull and below) start picking up points, we could be in for a torrid time.

Anything is possible. Ince has never, ever made it to 365 days at any club because he does enough to get himself fired EVERY TIME. Huge not winning runs and he doesn't seem to know how to get a club out of it. Maybe he's matured, maybe he's studied, or maybe he's just doing the same old as before.

The reality is, I don't see him making it to 365 days.


These earlier stints were all 10 years or so ago. Circumstances were different in each to what we have now

I think it’s something we’re aware of but just because a drop off in form has happened before doesn’t nec mean it will happen again

Overall he has a fairly decent record and win percentage; and I don’t think any of these teams were especially strong in their division when he took over; maybe MK second time

Anyway it may turn to shit and it may not. 29 points is far ahead of where o thought we’d be and of course we could still go down partly due to how tight the whole div is, but not going to esp worry about that now

And yes he has definitely helped make big cultural improvements behind the scenes and along with Bowen we can see a definite path forward now, whereas we were at a horrendously low ebb when he took over

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Re: Ince out!

by paultheroyal » 16 Nov 2022 14:21

Calling out our manager, expecting the sack, when he is 2 points from play offs. Who would of thought that at the start of the season. :lol:

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Re: Ince out!

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 16 Nov 2022 16:06

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Not cherrypicking at all.

He's had ONE successful season, in terms of doing well all season, that was with MK Dons. With the exception of Blackpool where he was rubbish, because Blackpool were rubbish, he's managed to boost teams, for a short while.

Macclesfield he boosted them, then dropped off at the end.
Blackburn he had a few good games at the beginning of the season before it all fell apart after 6 games
MK Dons second time, he started off well and it dropped off with 11 games to go.
Notts County got them winning after five games, and then dropped off.

It's a theme. You don't want to see it, fine, but it's happening here again.


He’s done ok here so far, no he’s not the best manager out there but given the club’s circumstances I don’t see a need to be calling for him to go and after the last incumbent he is certainly a step up.

With a fully fit set of defensive options to call on Reading will hopefully improve consistency and finish somewhere around where they are now which is probably exceeding realistic expectations for the season and you can’t ask for more than that.

Then Reading can hopefully challenge on a little more even keel in the summer - and with both Bowen and Carey behind the scenes to oversee recruitment there’s no reason to suspect that wouldn’t be possible esp. given what we’ve seen so far.


Yes, he has. And He's done the same at every club except Blackpool (I mean, who could have done anything there?) and Blackburn. He has a knack of motivating players to play for a short time, and a short time only. Then the players seem to run out of steam and confidence and giving a damn, and it all goes wrong.

The thing is, if we see another Incey special, chances are we'll go down. We only have 29 points. West Brom are winning, three on the bounce, if two of the other four teams (Hull and below) start picking up points, we could be in for a torrid time.

Anything is possible. Ince has never, ever made it to 365 days at any club because he does enough to get himself fired EVERY TIME. Huge not winning runs and he doesn't seem to know how to get a club out of it. Maybe he's matured, maybe he's studied, or maybe he's just doing the same old as before.

The reality is, I don't see him making it to 365 days.


There are 10 teams between us and the relegation places, realistically, how many of those teams could we say with a degree of confidence right now that they will actually finish above us? I'm not suggesting that means we will for sure finish above all of them, but we could quite easily finish above all of those sides currently below us, maybe except West Brom and Middlesbrough who I expect will improve.

West Brom and Middlesbrough would be the two for me who I think have more quality than all the teams in the bottom half. Are the other 10 teams, currently in the bottom half, really that good? The only thing this time around is, it's a really tight league all around really. A good run of form and you can very quickly move up half the league, take Coventry for example.

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Re: Ince out!

by elrey » 18 Nov 2022 06:06

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He’s done ok here so far, no he’s not the best manager out there but given the club’s circumstances I don’t see a need to be calling for him to go and after the last incumbent he is certainly a step up.

With a fully fit set of defensive options to call on Reading will hopefully improve consistency and finish somewhere around where they are now which is probably exceeding realistic expectations for the season and you can’t ask for more than that.

Then Reading can hopefully challenge on a little more even keel in the summer - and with both Bowen and Carey behind the scenes to oversee recruitment there’s no reason to suspect that wouldn’t be possible esp. given what we’ve seen so far.


Yes, he has. And He's done the same at every club except Blackpool (I mean, who could have done anything there?) and Blackburn. He has a knack of motivating players to play for a short time, and a short time only. Then the players seem to run out of steam and confidence and giving a damn, and it all goes wrong.

The thing is, if we see another Incey special, chances are we'll go down. We only have 29 points. West Brom are winning, three on the bounce, if two of the other four teams (Hull and below) start picking up points, we could be in for a torrid time.

Anything is possible. Ince has never, ever made it to 365 days at any club because he does enough to get himself fired EVERY TIME. Huge not winning runs and he doesn't seem to know how to get a club out of it. Maybe he's matured, maybe he's studied, or maybe he's just doing the same old as before.

The reality is, I don't see him making it to 365 days.


These earlier stints were all 10 years or so ago. Circumstances were different in each to what we have now

I think it’s something we’re aware of but just because a drop off in form has happened before doesn’t nec mean it will happen again

Overall he has a fairly decent record and win percentage; and I don’t think any of these teams were especially strong in their division when he took over; maybe MK second time

Anyway it may turn to shit and it may not. 29 points is far ahead of where o thought we’d be and of course we could still go down partly due to how tight the whole div is, but not going to esp worry about that now

And yes he has definitely helped make big cultural improvements behind the scenes and along with Bowen we can see a definite path forward now, whereas we were at a horrendously low ebb when he took over


Yep, happened in the past, and it looks like it'll happen in the present too.

And EVERY SITUATION WILL BE DIFFERENT. You won't find a situation where a manager takes over at a different club, but with the same players as at a previous club, with the same ages, and the same fans at the ground.

Yes, he was looking quite good. Same as at all clubs, except Blackburn and Blackpool. And then at all those other clubs, he dropped off in SPECTACULAR STYLE.

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Re: Ince out!

by elrey » 18 Nov 2022 06:08

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He’s done ok here so far, no he’s not the best manager out there but given the club’s circumstances I don’t see a need to be calling for him to go and after the last incumbent he is certainly a step up.

With a fully fit set of defensive options to call on Reading will hopefully improve consistency and finish somewhere around where they are now which is probably exceeding realistic expectations for the season and you can’t ask for more than that.

Then Reading can hopefully challenge on a little more even keel in the summer - and with both Bowen and Carey behind the scenes to oversee recruitment there’s no reason to suspect that wouldn’t be possible esp. given what we’ve seen so far.


Yes, he has. And He's done the same at every club except Blackpool (I mean, who could have done anything there?) and Blackburn. He has a knack of motivating players to play for a short time, and a short time only. Then the players seem to run out of steam and confidence and giving a damn, and it all goes wrong.

The thing is, if we see another Incey special, chances are we'll go down. We only have 29 points. West Brom are winning, three on the bounce, if two of the other four teams (Hull and below) start picking up points, we could be in for a torrid time.

Anything is possible. Ince has never, ever made it to 365 days at any club because he does enough to get himself fired EVERY TIME. Huge not winning runs and he doesn't seem to know how to get a club out of it. Maybe he's matured, maybe he's studied, or maybe he's just doing the same old as before.

The reality is, I don't see him making it to 365 days.


There are 10 teams between us and the relegation places, realistically, how many of those teams could we say with a degree of confidence right now that they will actually finish above us? I'm not suggesting that means we will for sure finish above all of them, but we could quite easily finish above all of those sides currently below us, maybe except West Brom and Middlesbrough who I expect will improve.

West Brom and Middlesbrough would be the two for me who I think have more quality than all the teams in the bottom half. Are the other 10 teams, currently in the bottom half, really that good? The only thing this time around is, it's a really tight league all around really. A good run of form and you can very quickly move up half the league, take Coventry for example.


If we're only able to beat the really bad teams, then we might not even make 40 points. Most of the other teams will. Statistics are worrying. Maybe there are three really awful teams who won't change their manager all season, no matter how bad things are. Look at last season, could we have expected the bottom teams to all suddenly start playing well at some point? West Brom are coming good, they had a not very good manager coasting it.

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