MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by AthleticoSpizz » 06 Aug 2022 19:16

@Ian didn’t really want to ‘out’ you :wink:

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by Brogue » 06 Aug 2022 19:17

Stranded Very satisfying to win from behind, something we've failed to do regularly over the past few years. When was the last one?

As for the red, poor call but ref's do seem to err toward giving a yellow when giving a pen if there is any modicum of doubt in their minds over the challenge.


Today was only the 6th time Reading have won after conceding first since the beginning of the 2019/2020 season. Or 140 league matches to put that into perspective

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by AthleticoSpizz » 06 Aug 2022 19:17

Stranded Very satisfying to win from behind, something we've failed to do regularly over the past few years. When was the last one?

As for the red, poor call but ref's do seem to err toward giving a yellow when giving a pen if there is any modicum of doubt in their minds over the challenge.
Berminam away last season, the Clarke btace.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by tidus_mi2 » 06 Aug 2022 19:18

Brogue Why was there no goal music? it’s a great decision if they’ve decided to scrap it.

There was goal music, same as last season.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by Brogue » 06 Aug 2022 19:18

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Brogue Why was there no goal music? it’s a great decision if they’ve decided to scrap it.

There was goal music, same as last season.


Ah some melt on twatter was saying there wasn’t


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by AthleticoSpizz » 06 Aug 2022 19:19

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Brogue Why was there no goal music? it’s a great decision if they’ve decided to scrap it.

There was goal music, same as last season.
itwasn’t obvious on the radio tbf

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by windermereROYAL » 06 Aug 2022 19:20

Stranded Very satisfying to win from behind, something we've failed to do regularly over the past few years. When was the last one?

As for the red, poor call but ref's do seem to err toward giving a yellow when giving a pen if there is any modicum of doubt in their minds over the challenge.


The rules are quite clear, if they are deemed to make a genuine attempt to play the ball it`s a yellow, it looked like he was pulled back by the neck or shoulder.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 06 Aug 2022 19:42

Stranded Very satisfying to win from behind, something we've failed to do regularly over the past few years. When was the last one?

As for the red, poor call but ref's do seem to err toward giving a yellow when giving a pen if there is any modicum of doubt in their minds over the challenge.

Can be no doubt there was no attempt to play the ball.

Which can only mean the ref concluded it was not a clear goalscoring opportunity. As per Ince quote. But that's almost as ridiculous as whether there was an attempt to play the ball.
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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by Stranded » 06 Aug 2022 19:44

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Stranded Very satisfying to win from behind, something we've failed to do regularly over the past few years. When was the last one?

As for the red, poor call but ref's do seem to err toward giving a yellow when giving a pen if there is any modicum of doubt in their minds over the challenge.


The rules are quite clear, if they are deemed to make a genuine attempt to play the ball it`s a yellow, it looked like he was pulled back by the neck or shoulder.


I know the rule. My point is ref's tend to interpret it in a way that keeps the player on the park.

If Ince was brought down outside box it would have been red straight away but with the rule as is means refs do try and just give a yellow. Rightly or wrongly.


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by Stranded » 06 Aug 2022 19:44

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Stranded Very satisfying to win from behind, something we've failed to do regularly over the past few years. When was the last one?

As for the red, poor call but ref's do seem to err toward giving a yellow when giving a pen if there is any modicum of doubt in their minds over the challenge.

Can be no doubt there was no attempt to play the ball.


Agreed but that's not my point.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by Augem » 06 Aug 2022 19:47

Uke Adi Williams saying he’d pull Nelson off… :shock: :lol:


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 06 Aug 2022 19:47

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Stranded Very satisfying to win from behind, something we've failed to do regularly over the past few years. When was the last one?

As for the red, poor call but ref's do seem to err toward giving a yellow when giving a pen if there is any modicum of doubt in their minds over the challenge.

Can be no doubt there was no attempt to play the ball.


Agreed but that's not my point.

Well it's not the challenge that's in doubt then, and the point about being outside the box makes no sense, it's the goalscoring chance, so you can understand why there'd be a misunderstanding with what you said.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by Nameless » 06 Aug 2022 19:47

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Stranded Very satisfying to win from behind, something we've failed to do regularly over the past few years. When was the last one?

As for the red, poor call but ref's do seem to err toward giving a yellow when giving a pen if there is any modicum of doubt in their minds over the challenge.


The rules are quite clear, if they are deemed to make a genuine attempt to play the ball it`s a yellow, it looked like he was pulled back by the neck or shoulder.


I know the rule. My point is ref's tend to interpret it in a way that keeps the player on the park.

If Ince was brought down outside box it would have been red straight away but with the rule as is means refs do try and just give a yellow. Rightly or wrongly.



If he’d been brought down outside the box it would be a totally different scenario, for a start he woukdn’t already have put the keeper out of the game !
Interpreting rules to keep players on the pitch is nonsense, you punish the offence. This interpretation meant he gave Cardiff an unfair advantage as the. Should have been down to 10 for an hour.


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by Brogue » 06 Aug 2022 19:55

Thought it was this double jeopardy rule that you are punishing the team twice a penalty and a red card. Been around a couple of years I thought. If it had been outside the box it would have been a red as there was no penalty.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by Zip » 06 Aug 2022 19:58

I was more impressed with that than any home performance last season. After a slow start we really grew into the game and the goal seemed to give the team more belief.

Seriously impressed with Fornah who was positive, composed and strong on the ball
Hendrick put in a really good shift and Long showed how much we have missed a wily centre forward who gets in the faces of the opposition.
Ince and Hoilett combined really well in the latter stages of the first half and Ince’s workrate was outstanding.
Ovie really showed what he can do in the second half but his potential hamstring injury is not what we need.

A clear red for the pen. Still it didn’t matter in the end. We fully deserved the win. We simply wanted it more than Cardiff winning a lot of 50/50 tackles. We looked a lot more physical.

Really enjoyed that.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by Hound » 06 Aug 2022 19:58

Brogue Thought it was this double jeopardy rule that you are punishing the team twice a penalty and a red card. Been around a couple of years I thought. If it had been outside the box it would have been a red as there was no penalty.


That’s only if there is an attempt to play the ball

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by Singing Defective » 06 Aug 2022 19:59

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The rules are quite clear, if they are deemed to make a genuine attempt to play the ball it`s a yellow, it looked like he was pulled back by the neck or shoulder.


I know the rule. My point is ref's tend to interpret it in a way that keeps the player on the park.

If Ince was brought down outside box it would have been red straight away but with the rule as is means refs do try and just give a yellow. Rightly or wrongly.



If he’d been brought down outside the box it would be a totally different scenario, for a start he woukdn’t already have put the keeper out of the game !
Interpreting rules to keep players on the pitch is nonsense, you punish the offence. This interpretation meant he gave Cardiff an unfair advantage as the. Should have been down to 10 for an hour.


Presumably as a prem ref he thought VAR would step in, and he could review from all angles for 20 minutes… Hope his next appointment is league 1.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by Hound » 06 Aug 2022 20:00

Bit of a shame the highlights don’t show the lively interplay between Ovie and NGW before ince’s goal. Made the chance really nicely

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 06 Aug 2022 20:05

Sounded out a qualified up and coming ref I know. Who, according to people who've played in games he's reffed, is good.


He says to be a clear goalscoring opportunity it has to be clear on 4 criteria at the time of the offence, along with no attempt to play the ball

No attempt to play the ball - tick.
Direction - no
Distance - tick
Defenders - maybe
Control of ball - tick

So doesn't meet the criteria for a clear goalscoring opportunity.

He says Pen and yellow. As does another neutral.

Personally, I think I could make a good fist of slotting that in if it was mirrored going off to the right, and I'm not a good footballer, so the direction being an issue there is a bit stupid.

I don’t think the defence can get back to stop a shot either. But I'm not a trained and qualified ref. So there you go.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Cardiff City (h)

by NewCorkSeth » 06 Aug 2022 20:06

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Will be interesting to see that one again. Looked in real time like Hendrick was waiting for the ball to drop, swung and as he did Rino went diving in head first. Still a duty on the player not to endanger another player so probably right to be a free kick.
The incident right at the end where a Cardiff defender threw Ehitb into the boards was worse, totally intentional and no excuse of having his eye on the ball !

Yeah, that was some real thuggery. Ehitb looked pretty bright didn't he? Big fella too unless my eyes deceived me.


He’s big but he’s a decent player. I think he’s a better prospect than Clarke personally.

You know more than me on that but it was actually quite an exciting cameo/debut. Looks well able of handling himself. Although I said that about Azeez and he's been injured since..

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