Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by Snowflake Royal » 23 Mar 2023 18:33

Hound Think for the sake of general fairness you can’t leave it too late. Even with just 8 games left that’s pushing it imo

Yeah, needs some action, I just don’t think that cut off applies

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by The Royal Forester » 23 Mar 2023 18:38

Mr Angry There is no way the Authorities would retrospectively apply a points deduction after the end of a season; thats a massive lae suit waiting to happen!

Didn't that happen and the club (was it Wigan?) got relegated. I cannot remember when it was, or the offence, but it was only in the last season or two.

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by Crowbar6753 » 23 Mar 2023 18:45

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tidus_mi2 Well the possible deadline of 5pm on the 4th Thursday of March has been and gone, so either we're in the clear for this season or that rule never applied to our situation.

So doesn't really answer anything yet.

Personally, I wouldn't say the date applies to us, as we're talking about a suspended deduction and historic issues.

The date was to stop clubs timing things like adminstration to their advantage. Doesn't apply to us.

Whether that's how the FL rules work, don't know.


The strange thing is even P.Ince kept going on about the Thursday deadline, so either he's been misinformed or the club have no idea what's happening lol :D

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by The Royal Forester » 23 Mar 2023 19:03

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tidus_mi2 Well the possible deadline of 5pm on the 4th Thursday of March has been and gone, so either we're in the clear for this season or that rule never applied to our situation.

So doesn't really answer anything yet.

Personally, I wouldn't say the date applies to us, as we're talking about a suspended deduction and historic issues.

The date was to stop clubs timing things like adminstration to their advantage. Doesn't apply to us.

Whether that's how the FL rules work, don't know.


The strange thing is even P.Ince kept going on about the Thursday deadline, so either he's been misinformed or the club have no idea what's happening lol :D

It'll be the latter, and it also applies to the EFL.

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by Webster750 » 23 Mar 2023 19:12

The bigger concern is exactly how long Dai will put up with this sh*t (regardless of whether his actions have led to it).

He's entrusted numerous individuals to whom I'd imagine sold him the dream of Premier League football, from agents to managers, CEOs to DoFs, etc, and all he has to show for it is a football club he has very little genuine connection to constantly flirting with the opposite end of the football pyramid.

Points deduction and subsequent relegation or not, you'd have to be mental (or incredibly stubborn) to keep on throwing your money at this absolute circus.

I can't see any reasonable individual lasting more than say another 2-3 seasons, and am shocked he hasn't pulled the plug already.


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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by SouthDownsRoyal » 23 Mar 2023 19:43

Webster750 The bigger concern is exactly how long Dai will put up with this sh*t (regardless of whether his actions have led to it).

He's entrusted numerous individuals to whom I'd imagine sold him the dream of Premier League football, from agents to managers, CEOs to DoFs, etc, and all he has to show for it is a football club he has very little genuine connection to constantly flirting with the opposite end of the football pyramid.

Points deduction and subsequent relegation or not, you'd have to be mental (or incredibly stubborn) to keep on throwing your money at this absolute circus.

I can't see any reasonable individual lasting more than say another 2-3 seasons, and am shocked he hasn't pulled the plug already.


Agree but surely as the top man he can’t be completely blind to how the club is run with all this a huge surprise to him

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by Mid Sussex Royal » 23 Mar 2023 19:44

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tidus_mi2 Well the possible deadline of 5pm on the 4th Thursday of March has been and gone, so either we're in the clear for this season or that rule never applied to our situation.

So doesn't really answer anything yet.

Personally, I wouldn't say the date applies to us, as we're talking about a suspended deduction and historic issues.

The date was to stop clubs timing things like adminstration to their advantage. Doesn't apply to us.

Whether that's how the FL rules work, don't know.


The strange thing is even P.Ince kept going on about the Thursday deadline, so either he's been misinformed or the club have no idea what's happening lol :D


Yes he did, which is interesting, so maybe this a new offence rather than anything to do with the business plan which Ince also said had been fully adhered to.

My understanding is we are past the deadline for new offences but the suspended offence could still be applied this season.

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by Snowflake Royal » 23 Mar 2023 19:50

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tidus_mi2 Well the possible deadline of 5pm on the 4th Thursday of March has been and gone, so either we're in the clear for this season or that rule never applied to our situation.

So doesn't really answer anything yet.

Personally, I wouldn't say the date applies to us, as we're talking about a suspended deduction and historic issues.

The date was to stop clubs timing things like adminstration to their advantage. Doesn't apply to us.

Whether that's how the FL rules work, don't know.


The strange thing is even P.Ince kept going on about the Thursday deadline, so either he's been misinformed or the club have no idea what's happening lol :D

PInce has nothing to do with the finances or background running of the club, so never paid any heed to what he was saying about it.

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by Snowflake Royal » 23 Mar 2023 19:52

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Webster750 The bigger concern is exactly how long Dai will put up with this sh*t (regardless of whether his actions have led to it).

He's entrusted numerous individuals to whom I'd imagine sold him the dream of Premier League football, from agents to managers, CEOs to DoFs, etc, and all he has to show for it is a football club he has very little genuine connection to constantly flirting with the opposite end of the football pyramid.

Points deduction and subsequent relegation or not, you'd have to be mental (or incredibly stubborn) to keep on throwing your money at this absolute circus.

I can't see any reasonable individual lasting more than say another 2-3 seasons, and am shocked he hasn't pulled the plug already.


Agree but surely as the top man he can’t be completely blind to how the club is run with all this a huge surprise to him

He's a useless prick. And the only way he gets any money back is selling us. He can only walk away if he finds a buyer or the club folds entirely.


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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by SouthDownsRoyal » 23 Mar 2023 19:56

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Snowflake Royal Personally, I wouldn't say the date applies to us, as we're talking about a suspended deduction and historic issues.

The date was to stop clubs timing things like adminstration to their advantage. Doesn't apply to us.

Whether that's how the FL rules work, don't know.


The strange thing is even P.Ince kept going on about the Thursday deadline, so either he's been misinformed or the club have no idea what's happening lol :D

PInce has nothing to do with the finances or background running of the club, so never paid any heed to what he was saying about it.


Not sure I’d take much heed on anything he says on anything

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by Crowbar6753 » 23 Mar 2023 19:59

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Snowflake Royal Personally, I wouldn't say the date applies to us, as we're talking about a suspended deduction and historic issues.

The date was to stop clubs timing things like adminstration to their advantage. Doesn't apply to us.

Whether that's how the FL rules work, don't know.


The strange thing is even P.Ince kept going on about the Thursday deadline, so either he's been misinformed or the club have no idea what's happening lol :D


Yes he did, which is interesting, so maybe this a new offence rather than anything to do with the business plan which Ince also said had been fully adhered to.

My understanding is we are past the deadline for new offences but the suspended offence could still be applied this season.


I'm no conspiracy theorist but its looking like we've pissed off the EFL by somehow dodging relegation against all the odds and now they're doing their best to "Royally" screw us again pardon the pun!!
We have 8 games remaining and you would like to think they need to tell us sooner rather than later for fear of giving Dai's lawyers ammunition to somehow try and wiggle our way out of this. What a mess....especially as this was leaked nearly a month ago :cry: :cry:

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by Hound » 23 Mar 2023 20:13

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The strange thing is even P.Ince kept going on about the Thursday deadline, so either he's been misinformed or the club have no idea what's happening lol :D

PInce has nothing to do with the finances or background running of the club, so never paid any heed to what he was saying about it.


Not sure I’d take much heed on anything he says on anything


Nope he was just ranting tbh.

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by SouthDownsRoyal » 23 Mar 2023 20:16

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Snowflake Royal PInce has nothing to do with the finances or background running of the club, so never paid any heed to what he was saying about it.


Not sure I’d take much heed on anything he says on anything


Nope he was just ranting tbh.


Did he blame a random referee for our poor handling of finances?


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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by AthleticoSpizz » 23 Mar 2023 20:21

Had he been ‘tipped off’ by somebody within the club who deals in our finances and/or our everyday running?

Be they right or wrong

In this case at least, the Pince ‘blame thing’ joke is wearing thin

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by Hound » 23 Mar 2023 20:49

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Not sure I’d take much heed on anything he says on anything


Nope he was just ranting tbh.


Did he blame a random referee for our poor handling of finances?


He doesn’t know. He wasn’t here.

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by Sutekh » 23 Mar 2023 23:30

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Mr Angry There is no way the Authorities would retrospectively apply a points deduction after the end of a season; thats a massive lae suit waiting to happen!

Didn't that happen and the club (was it Wigan?) got relegated. I cannot remember when it was, or the offence, but it was only in the last season or two.


Wigan were sold in June 2020 but their new owners refused to invest money which caused the club to enter administration at the beginning of July 2020. The FL then stated the resulting 12 point deduction would be applied at the end of the 2019–20 season if the club finished outside the bottom three after 46 games. Wigan appealed the deduction after beating Hull 8-0, which guaranteed safety, but were finally relegated after then end of the season when the appeal was rejected and the points deducted.

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by Sutekh » 23 Mar 2023 23:30

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Mr Angry There is no way the Authorities would retrospectively apply a points deduction after the end of a season; thats a massive lae suit waiting to happen!

Didn't that happen and the club (was it Wigan?) got relegated. I cannot remember when it was, or the offence, but it was only in the last season or two.


Wigan were sold in June 2020 but their new owners refused to invest money which caused the club to enter administration at the beginning of July 2020. The FL then stated the resulting 12 point deduction would be applied at the end of the 2019–20 season if the club finished outside the bottom three after 46 games. Wigan appealed the deduction after beating Hull 8-0, which guaranteed safety, but were finally relegated after the end of the season when the appeal was rejected and the points deducted.

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 24 Mar 2023 08:48

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Mr Angry There is no way the Authorities would retrospectively apply a points deduction after the end of a season; thats a massive lae suit waiting to happen!

Didn't that happen and the club (was it Wigan?) got relegated. I cannot remember when it was, or the offence, but it was only in the last season or two.


Wigan were sold in June 2020 but their new owners refused to invest money which caused the club to enter administration at the beginning of July 2020. The FL then stated the resulting 12 point deduction would be applied at the end of the 2019–20 season if the club finished outside the bottom three after 46 games. Wigan appealed the deduction after beating Hull 8-0, which guaranteed safety, but were finally relegated after the end of the season when the appeal was rejected and the points deducted.

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Was it not the case where, if they stayed up by 13+ points, that the deduction would be applied the season after? Or was that just media nonsense? Assuming the latter to be honest as I can't see how that's fair.

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by Snowflake Royal » 24 Mar 2023 08:52

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The Royal Forester Didn't that happen and the club (was it Wigan?) got relegated. I cannot remember when it was, or the offence, but it was only in the last season or two.


Wigan were sold in June 2020 but their new owners refused to invest money which caused the club to enter administration at the beginning of July 2020. The FL then stated the resulting 12 point deduction would be applied at the end of the 2019–20 season if the club finished outside the bottom three after 46 games. Wigan appealed the deduction after beating Hull 8-0, which guaranteed safety, but were finally relegated after the end of the season when the appeal was rejected and the points deducted.

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Was it not the case where, if they stayed up by 13+ points, that the deduction would be applied the season after? Or was that just media nonsense? Assuming the latter to be honest as I can't see how that's fair.

Think it's the other way round, if they'd been relegated without it it would have been the next season as applying that season would make no difference.

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Re: Another 6 point, points deduction incoming

by YorkshireRoyal99 » 24 Mar 2023 08:56

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Wigan were sold in June 2020 but their new owners refused to invest money which caused the club to enter administration at the beginning of July 2020. The FL then stated the resulting 12 point deduction would be applied at the end of the 2019–20 season if the club finished outside the bottom three after 46 games. Wigan appealed the deduction after beating Hull 8-0, which guaranteed safety, but were finally relegated after the end of the season when the appeal was rejected and the points deducted.

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Was it not the case where, if they stayed up by 13+ points, that the deduction would be applied the season after? Or was that just media nonsense? Assuming the latter to be honest as I can't see how that's fair.

Think it's the other way round, if they'd been relegated without it it would have been the next season as applying that season would make no difference.


Yeah that sounds right actually, thanks. Knew it was something daft like that.

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