by NathStPaul » 29 Mar 2021 11:25
by WestYorksRoyal » 29 Mar 2021 11:38
NathStPaul My Euros starting line up:
Pope
Alexander-Arnold
Stones
Maguire
Shaw
Henderson Rice Foden
Grealish Kane Sterling
by NathStPaul » 29 Mar 2021 11:46
WestYorksRoyalNathStPaul My Euros starting line up:
Pope
Alexander-Arnold
Stones
Maguire
Shaw
Henderson Rice Foden
Grealish Kane Sterling
Could live with this too; having to leave out one of Foden, Grealish and Mount is a great position for any team to be in.
I just hope he makes the tough decisions picks a balanced team without players out of position. In particular, if you play 3-4-3 with 2 DMs against a team like France, they will dominate position, push you deeper and the extra defender won't stop them over 90 minutes. I cannot think of a more counter productive way to try and neutralise a world class team, but I have a lingering suspicion we'll go out to France or Germany in the last 16 having done exactly that.
by BR0B0T » 29 Mar 2021 12:58
by BR0B0T » 29 Mar 2021 13:00
by URZZZZ » 29 Mar 2021 14:44
WestYorksRoyalNathStPaul My Euros starting line up:
Pope
Alexander-Arnold
Stones
Maguire
Shaw
Henderson Rice Foden
Grealish Kane Sterling
Could live with this too; having to leave out one of Foden, Grealish and Mount is a great position for any team to be in.
I just hope he makes the tough decisions picks a balanced team without players out of position. In particular, if you play 3-4-3 with 2 DMs against a team like France, they will dominate position, push you deeper and the extra defender won't stop them over 90 minutes. I cannot think of a more counter productive way to try and neutralise a world class team, but I have a lingering suspicion we'll go out to France or Germany in the last 16 having done exactly that.
by BR0B0T » 29 Mar 2021 17:59
by BR0B0T » 29 Mar 2021 18:02
by Hendo » 29 Mar 2021 18:11
BR0B0T Pope
Shaw
Maguire
Stones
James
Rice - (6)
Mount - (8)
Grealish (10)
Kane
2 of Rashford/Sterling/Sancho on the wings
by Simmops » 29 Mar 2021 21:42
NathStPaul My Euros starting line up:
Pope
Alexander-Arnold
Stones
Maguire
Shaw
Henderson Rice Foden
Grealish Kane Sterling
by Simmops » 29 Mar 2021 21:43
BR0B0T Fully expect us to go out in the quarters when we meet a half-decent team (semi's if we get a lucky draw)
by WestYorksRoyal » 30 Mar 2021 10:21
SimmopsNathStPaul My Euros starting line up:
Pope
Alexander-Arnold
Stones
Maguire
Shaw
Henderson Rice Foden
Grealish Kane Sterling
Southgate has a hard-on for Pickford and Mount so they will undeservedly start
by Hendo » 30 Mar 2021 10:23
WestYorksRoyalSimmopsNathStPaul My Euros starting line up:
Pope
Alexander-Arnold
Stones
Maguire
Shaw
Henderson Rice Foden
Grealish Kane Sterling
Southgate has a hard-on for Pickford and Mount so they will undeservedly start
Mount is entirely deserving of his spot and is greatly underrated. Maybe doesn't have the natural flair of Grealish and Foden, but incredible work rate and he is consistently improving himself technically too. He'll work hard defensively, create goal and score goals. I expect that in 10 years we'll be looking back on the career of one of our most complete midfielders.
by NathStPaul » 30 Mar 2021 11:10
HendoWestYorksRoyalSimmops
Southgate has a hard-on for Pickford and Mount so they will undeservedly start
Mount is entirely deserving of his spot and is greatly underrated. Maybe doesn't have the natural flair of Grealish and Foden, but incredible work rate and he is consistently improving himself technically too. He'll work hard defensively, create goal and score goals. I expect that in 10 years we'll be looking back on the career of one of our most complete midfielders.
Yeah, I am all for Mount starting, been really impressed with him both for England and Chelsea.
Tbh, I don't even think Pickford would be an underserving starter either, been much improved this year for Everton.
by WestYorksRoyal » 30 Mar 2021 11:23
by URZZZZ » 30 Mar 2021 12:25
HendoBR0B0T Pope
Shaw
Maguire
Stones
James
Rice - (6)
Mount - (8)
Grealish (10)
Kane
2 of Rashford/Sterling/Sancho on the wings
I'd be reasonably happy with that, tbh. Could probably swap Shaw for Chirwell and James for AWB or TAA depending on how the rest of the season goes.
by Taffster » 30 Mar 2021 14:53
WestYorksRoyal I'd be anxious about throwing Pope in at a major tournament. Scott Carson and Robert Green show the risks of doing that. If Pope is the future, we should build him up through qualifying and get stability at the back. As it is, there is stability between Pickford and the likes of Stones and Maguire already.
I also think ability with your feet is important to Southgate. If a team presses and cuts off easy passes to your defenders, Pickford is capable of pinging a 50 yard pass straight to the likes of Kane and Sterling; Pope doesn't give that.
But I agree Pickford is more error prone, and Pope is more reliable at actually keeping the ball out of the goal, which is what you traditionally want from your goal keeper.
by Sanguine » 31 Mar 2021 10:53
by NathStPaul » 31 Mar 2021 10:57
Sanguine Just because.
Managerial win rates since Alf Ramsay.
Capello 66.7%
Southgate 60.8%
Hoddle 60.7%
Greenwood 60.0%
Eriksson 59.7%
Hodgson 58.9%
McClaren 50.0%
Robson 49.5%
Revie 48.3%
Venables 47.8%
Taylor 47.5%
Keegan 38.9%
I know some of the numbers are close, but Southgate currently has the second best win rate as manager since Alf Ramsay. Lots of caveats and quirks in the numbers of course - for example that Venables' England only lost once (to Brazil), and his record didn't get 'padded' by any qualifying campaigns, as we entered the '96 Euros has hosts, or that Capello stands head and shoulders above the rest (in terms of win rate) with only a couple of actual notable wins (including in Germany) during his entire tenure.
But it puts Southgate in some perspective. Do we want results, or do we want to play pretty football (Keegan's side)? We want both, of course, but we need to be pragmatic in that respect.
As an aside, Bobby Robson - obviously impossible to dislike as a man, Robson is a legend, but I think his record at England manager gets some rose-tinted specs just because Italia '90 was a brilliant World Cup on the whole. He was lucky to keep his job after the Euro '88 shamble, and we qualified for that semi-final with a 1-0 win over Egypt, a David Platt worldie, and a Gary Lineker dive.
by WestYorksRoyal » 31 Mar 2021 12:23
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