What is the point in HRK

[Snowball]

To be fair I think McLeary has been pretty poor this season as well. He's had injury problems of course but he's failed to live up to his pretty high standards and has been in and out of the side as a result. He might not get the level of flack that Robson-Kanu gets on here but McLeary has had his critics too (certainly where I sit if not on here so much)

On here he's had almost no criticism this year, except for the game where he
went missing in the second half, had a row with Williams. The FACTS are he
has failed to score any goals, and has truly made just two.

Fact 2 is that, this season, HRK is scapegoat of the year.

Don't get me wrong. I've been very disappointed with HRK also, but then

Gunter has been poor defensively
Hector has made some terrible mistakes
Pearce is nowhere near his best
Obita is a shadow of his former self

Norwood has lost form.
Guthrie is, well, Guthrie
HRK has under-performed
McCleary is under- performing
Mackie (wide) had a poor first touch and poor final ball

Cox has dried up after early promise
Blackman is too selfish and is inconsistent
Pog doesn't get enough, or make enough goals

So, Mackie as striker, Feds (apart from a small dip in form)
and Williams (eventually) are the only players who almost
are "without blemish"

But HRK is easy to blast as crap

[paddy20]

To be fair I think McLeary has been pretty poor this season as well. He's had injury problems of course but he's failed to live up to his pretty high standards and has been in and out of the side as a result. He might not get the level of flack that Robson-Kanu gets on here but McLeary has had his critics too (certainly where I sit if not on here so much)

On here he's had almost no criticism this year, except for the game where he
went missing in the second half, had a row with Williams. The FACTS are he
has failed to score any goals, and has truly made just two.

Fact 2 is that, this season, HRK is scapegoat of the year.

Don't get me wrong. I've been very disappointed with HRK also, but then

Gunter has been poor defensively
Hector has made some terrible mistakes
Pearce is nowhere near his best
Obita is a shadow of his former self

Norwood has lost form.
Guthrie is, well, Guthrie
HRK has under-performed
McCleary is under- performing
Mackie (wide) had a poor first touch and poor final ball

Cox has dried up after early promise
Blackman is too selfish and is inconsistent
Pog doesn't get enough, or make enough goals

So, Mackie as striker, Feds (apart from a small dip in form)
and Williams (eventually) are the only players who almost
are "without blemish"

But HRK is easy to blast as crap

[paddy20]

To be fair I think McLeary has been pretty poor this season as well. He's had injury problems of course but he's failed to live up to his pretty high standards and has been in and out of the side as a result. He might not get the level of flack that Robson-Kanu gets on here but McLeary has had his critics too (certainly where I sit if not on here so much)

On here he's had almost no criticism this year, except for the game where he
went missing in the second half, had a row with Williams. The FACTS are he
has failed to score any goals, and has truly made just two.

Fact 2 is that, this season, HRK is scapegoat of the year.

Don't get me wrong. I've been very disappointed with HRK also, but then

Gunter has been poor defensively
Hector has made some terrible mistakes
Pearce is nowhere near his best
Obita is a shadow of his former self

Norwood has lost form.
Guthrie is, well, Guthrie
HRK has under-performed
McCleary is under- performing
Mackie (wide) had a poor first touch and poor final ball

Cox has dried up after early promise
Blackman is too selfish and is inconsistent
Pog doesn't get enough, or make enough goals

So, Mackie as striker, Feds (apart from a small dip in form)
and Williams (eventually) are the only players who almost
are "without blemish"

But HRK is easy to blast as crap

Except HRK has been poor for 5 years!!

[Snowball]

Except HRK has been poor for 5 years!!

Simply not borne out by the statistics.

Our "star man" is McCleary and HRK compares reasonably well with him

Frankly, I thought GMac's stats would be streets clear of Kanu's, but they aren't.

My guess is that McCleary's runs etc (helped a lot by his partnership with Gunter)
are "more exciting" to watch and he's remembered with more affection, but, in
reality his wing play doesn't result in a lot more goals, either directly or assisting.



If you rank goals and assists equally, McCleary has slightly better stats
but if you think an actual goal has a bit more value, then HRK is better


This is their total RFC Career (All Games)

09 Goals 24 Assists 33 G/A in 6,333 Minutes. Goal/Assist every 191 Minutes McCleary
24 Goals 19 Assists 52 G/A in 9,521 Minutes. Goal/Assist every 221 Minutes HRK

Looking at The Premier League Only, HRK had way better stats than GMac

03 Goals 03 Assists 06 G/A in 1,579 Minutes, Goal/Assist every 263 Minutes McCleary
07 Goals 02 Assists 09 G/A in 1,279 Minutes, Goal/Assist every 142 Minutes HRK

And Championship Only

05 Goals 14 Assists 19 G/A in 4,157 Minutes, Goal/Assist every 219 Minutes McCleary
14 Goals 13 Assists 27 G/A in 6,977 Minutes, Goal/Assist every 258 Minutes HRK

[John Madejski's Wallet]

Do you consider yourself like the tubby dude from Moneyball? Sat around waiting for the call from Branford's owner

[paddy20]

Except HRK has been poor for 5 years!!

Simply not borne out by the statistics.

Our "star man" is McCleary and HRK compares reasonably well with him

Frankly, I thought GMac's stats would be streets clear of Kanu's, but they aren't.

My guess is that McCleary's runs etc (helped a lot by his partnership with Gunter)
are "more exciting" to watch and he's remembered with more affection, but, in
reality his wing play doesn't result in a lot more goals, either directly or assisting.



If you rank goals and assists equally, McCleary has slightly better stats
but if you think an actual goal has a bit more value, then HRK is better


This is their total RFC Career (All Games)

09 Goals 24 Assists 33 G/A in 6,333 Minutes. Goal/Assist every 191 Minutes McCleary
24 Goals 19 Assists 52 G/A in 9,521 Minutes. Goal/Assist every 221 Minutes HRK

Looking at The Premier League Only, HRK had way better stats than GMac

03 Goals 03 Assists 06 G/A in 1,579 Minutes, Goal/Assist every 263 Minutes McCleary
07 Goals 02 Assists 09 G/A in 1,279 Minutes, Goal/Assist every 142 Minutes HRK

And Championship Only

05 Goals 14 Assists 19 G/A in 4,157 Minutes, Goal/Assist every 219 Minutes McCleary
14 Goals 13 Assists 27 G/A in 6,977 Minutes, Goal/Assist every 258 Minutes HRK

Do those statistics mean you think he is a good player???

[Martin41]

Except HRK has been poor for 5 years!!

Simply not borne out by the statistics.

Our "star man" is McCleary and HRK compares reasonably well with him

Frankly, I thought GMac's stats would be streets clear of Kanu's, but they aren't.

My guess is that McCleary's runs etc (helped a lot by his partnership with Gunter)
are "more exciting" to watch and he's remembered with more affection, but, in
reality his wing play doesn't result in a lot more goals, either directly or assisting.



If you rank goals and assists equally, McCleary has slightly better stats
but if you think an actual goal has a bit more value, then HRK is better


This is their total RFC Career (All Games)

09 Goals 24 Assists 33 G/A in 6,333 Minutes. Goal/Assist every 191 Minutes McCleary
24 Goals 19 Assists 52 G/A in 9,521 Minutes. Goal/Assist every 221 Minutes HRK

Looking at The Premier League Only, HRK had way better stats than GMac

03 Goals 03 Assists 06 G/A in 1,579 Minutes, Goal/Assist every 263 Minutes McCleary
07 Goals 02 Assists 09 G/A in 1,279 Minutes, Goal/Assist every 142 Minutes HRK

And Championship Only

05 Goals 14 Assists 19 G/A in 4,157 Minutes, Goal/Assist every 219 Minutes McCleary
14 Goals 13 Assists 27 G/A in 6,977 Minutes, Goal/Assist every 258 Minutes HRK

Oh good more bloody stats..........do you ever see daylight or other people??

[Handsome Man]

He's a good player, who has had spells where he has looked quite special.

This year, he seems to have spent too much of the time out of position, and hasn't scored or created as many goals as he should have done. Nevertheless, he has made enough major contributions to be worth a place in the first team and has been quite consistent since the turn of the year. He looks good on the ball, and I am happier with him in the side than out.

He is also this year's scapegoat, chosen by the fukwitted community to berate for no reason whatsoever really, other than some kind of certainty about how right they were to have a go at Long, Gunter, McAnuff, Friday, Siggurdson, Pele etc and all the other players who were clearly utter rubbish. Wasn't there a whole thread on here once about how Sidwell wasn't really that good?

[Snowball]

Do you consider yourself like the tubby dude from Moneyball? Sat around waiting for the call from Branford's owner

No, I consider myself to be someone who is not moronic
enough to go with the sheep. Someone who asks, "What
are the facts?" Someone who wonders why managers
keep picking the player.

I have seen and recorded the numpties on this list
who slag off players who go on to be sold for millions


eg Shane Long "Who will never be a footballer."

[Snowball]

Oh good more bloody stats..........do you ever see daylight or other people??

You ever use your brain?

[Martin41]

Oh good more bloody stats..........do you ever see daylight or other people??

You ever use your brain?

Yes.....that's why I asked the question.

[Snowball]

Do those statistics mean you think he is a good player???

Just imagine if you could read, and also hold two ideas
in your head at the same time. Try it.

The stats clearly show that HRK is a better goal-scorer than McCleary
both in the Championship and The Premier League.

The stats show that HRK can stand comparison with McCleary
who is, at the moment, considered our prize asset.

The stats show, that even relatively off-form, in a side not playing
brilliantly, HRK (while the braying masses complain) is doing
enough to be selected by a manager who knows more than the
whole of HobNob put together.

[Snowball]

He's a good player, who has had spells where he has looked quite special.

This year, he seems to have spent too much of the time out of position, and hasn't scored or created as many goals as he should have done. Nevertheless, he has made enough major contributions to be worth a place in the first team and has been quite consistent since the turn of the year. He looks good on the ball, and I am happier with him in the side than out.

He is also this year's scapegoat, chosen by the fukwitted community to berate for no reason whatsoever really, other than some kind of certainty about how right they were to have a go at Long, Gunter, McAnuff, Friday, Siggurdson, Pele etc and all the other players who were clearly utter rubbish. Wasn't there a whole thread on here once about how Sidwell wasn't really that good?

+++++

In the latest Premiership season I thought he was brilliant. I fully expected him to push on
and be our next £5+ Million player. I had a fairly hefty bet on him to be 1-2-3 top-scorer in
our first year back down, so like a few was disappointed.

As for the rest, yes HobNob shows serious, in-depth knowledge of footballers

[urz13]

Do those statistics mean you think he is a good player???

Just imagine if you could read, and also hold two ideas
in your head at the same time. Try it.

The stats clearly show that HRK is a better goal-scorer than McCleary
both in the Championship and The Premier League.

The stats show that HRK can stand comparison with McCleary
who is, at the moment, considered our prize asset.

The stats show, that even relatively off-form, in a side not playing
brilliantly, HRK (while the braying masses complain) is doing
enough to be selected by a manager who knows more than the
whole of HobNob put together.

Gmac do tha skillz tho innit

[paultheroyal]

Do the stats show that Robson Kanu is plain crap?











(And will remain crap if he scores a winner Monday night)

[Snowball]

No, the stats show that people who think HRK is crap, are pretty dumb, but
he's the current whipping boy, just like once, Shane Long was, a player who has
now earned over 21 Million in transfer fees and will, in all likelihood, end up
scoring more Premiership goals than Saint Kevin Doyle.


No, he's not (ATM) playing brilliantly. No, he is not a God or Gylfi
but his stats are similar to McLeary and better than Mackie's were
until a couple of week's ago (the Mackie that most were saying was
a waste of space) and probably better than Blackman, Pog etc.

[paddy20]

Do those statistics mean you think he is a good player???

Just imagine if you could read, and also hold two ideas
in your head at the same time. Try it.

The stats clearly show that HRK is a better goal-scorer than McCleary
both in the Championship and The Premier League.

The stats show that HRK can stand comparison with McCleary
who is, at the moment, considered our prize asset.

The stats show, that even relatively off-form, in a side not playing
brilliantly, HRK (while the braying masses complain) is doing
enough to be selected by a manager who knows more than the
whole of HobNob put together.

Moving off a sheet of paper for a moment would you still say that WHEN YOU WATCH HIS PERFORMANCES you think he is the type of player that will take us forward? No one wants to pick on an individual player but it will be important if we want to progress, to identify players that are going to improve us.

[Snowball]

[quote="paddy20"


Moving off a sheet of paper for a moment would you still say that WHEN YOU WATCH HIS PERFORMANCES you think he is the type of player that will take us forward? No one wants to pick on an individual player but it will be important if we want to progress, to identify players that are going to improve us.

[/quote]


Moving off a sheet of paper, I would say that most fans (me included) don't REALLY understand what a player does. Managers and coaches do. I was listening to Peter Schmeichel talking about a game recently and he said something like, "Fans say, 'what a good goal' but professionals can see the mistakes, positioning etc."

There are many players who do lots of unseen, unnoticed work. Harper in the 2005-6 team, Akpan right now.

As for "take us forward", I suspect that if HRK leaves he will be used correctly elsewhere and we will regret it. Antonio, anyone?

I think, we as fans are often conned by "exciting runs"

In the next post I've posted goals+assists against minutes played.

We have been saying Obita is a shadow of his former self, and "Gunter is great going forward" yet the REALITIES are, Gunter scores a goal or gets an assist once every 1306 minutes, that is once every 14.5 GAMES or ABOUT THREE TIMES A SEASON.

But Obita is getting a goal or assist every 520 minutes, that is two-and-a-half times better than Gunter.

If you had asked me, I'd've said Gunter was more prolific than Obita. I'm amazed by that stat.

Another example is Williams. He can look exciting driving forward, but how often does he score or make a goal? Once every 8 games! Kobe got 4 times as many G/As, Jobi McAnuff got almost 3 times as many, Norwood almost twice as many. Williams "looks the biz" but what does he actually produce?

[Platypuss]

This is so transparent it almost hurts.

1. Snowball predicted great things for HRK in the Championship on the back of our Prem foray
2. It hasn't happened.
3. Cue wallsoftext plaintively trying to argue that black=white.

FIN.

[Snowball]

I've put a few "old favourites" in the list for comparison.

Off the players currently at the club and have played 10+ games, HRK is fourth overall in terms of minutes played for a goal or assist, just 30 minutes behind our current top player Cox, 29 behind McCleary, 18 behind Mackie.

He is more useful (in terms of goals and/or assists per minute played than Pog, Blackman, Taylor, Norwood, Akpan, Williams, Guthrie

197 Appearances 53 Goals 35 Assists 02 G/A 10981 Minutes 0125 Mins/G-A Shane Long
006 Appearances 01 Goals 00 Assists 01 G/A 00185 Minutes 0185 Mins/G-A Yakubu
190 Appearances 31 Goals 45 Assists 76 G/A 14316 Minutes 0188 Mins/G-A Jimmy Kebe
043 Appearances 08 Goals 06 Assists 14 G/A 02668 Minutes 0191 Mins/G-A Simon Cox
099 Appearances 09 Goals 24 Assists 33 G/A 06333 Minutes 0192 Mins/G-A Garath McLeary
157 Appearances 55 Goals 11 Assists 66 G/A 12700 Minutes 0192 Mins/G-A Kevin Doyle
029 Appearances 05 Goals 03 Assists 08 G/A 01625 Minutes 0203 Mins/G-A Jamie Mackie
185 Appearances 24 Goals 19 Assists 43 G/A 09521 Minutes 0221 Mins/G-A Hal Robson-Kanu

099 Appearances 25 Goals 06 Assists 31 G/A 07100 Minutes 0229 Mins/G-A Pogrebnyak
079 Appearances 09 Goals 05 Assists 14 G/A 03336 Minutes 0238 Mins/G-A Blackman
035 Appearances 03 Goals 03 Assists 06 G/A 01560 Minutes 0260 Mins/G-A Taylor
206 Appearances 16 Goals 44 Assists 60 G/A 17463 Minutes 0291 Mins/GA Jobi McAnuff
015 Appearances 02 Goals 00 Assists 02 G/A 00657 Minutes 0329 Mins/G-A Cooper
034 Appearances 01 Goals 06 Assists 07 G/A 02717 Minutes 0388 Mins/G-A Norwood

021 Appearances 01 Goals 06 Assists 07 G/A 03359 Minutes 0480 Mins/G-A Hope Akpan
167 Appearances 11 Goals 15 Assists 26 G/A 12870 Minutes 0495 Mins/G-A Karacan
079 Appearances 01 Goals 12 Assists 13 G/A 06756 Minutes 0520 Mins/G-A Obita <<<<<<<<<

108 Appearances 08 Goals 05 Assists 13 G/A 07092 Minutes 0546 Mins/G-A Bobby Convey
068 Appearances 04 Goals 04 Assists 08 G/A 04814 Minutes 0602 Mins/G-A Guthrie
057 Appearances 04 Goals 02 Assists 06 G/A 04319 Minutes 0720 Mins/G-A Williams
231 Appearances 15 Goals 10 Assists 25 G/A 19773 Minutes 0791 Mins/G-A Pearce
048 Appearances 02 Goals 02 Assists 04 G/A 03845 Minutes 0961 Mins/G-A Hector
012 Appearances 01 Goals 00 Assists 01 G/A 00981 Minutes 0981 Mins/G-A Chalobah
103 Appearances 02 Goals 05 Assists 07 G/A 09140 Minutes 1306 Mins/G-A Gunter <<<<<<<
051 Appearances 01 Goals 01 Assists 02 G/A 03974 Minutes 1987 Mins/G-A Kelly