Jamie Ashdown

[Samrfc01]

been released by pompey

worth a shout if fed goes?

[Urinal Mint]

Yes.

[Arnie_Pie]

yes!

[I was there at Elm Park]

If they are good enough then I'd rather see one of Andersen, Hamer or McCarthy a go.

After all if we were offered the chance to sign a player who was one of the best players in League 1 in his position and also happened to been called up to Denmark/England U21s then most would be happy for us to make the punt so I don't see why it should be different with out loanees.

[Ian Royal]

If they are good enough then I'd rather see one of Andersen, Hamer or McCarthy a go.

After all if we were offered the chance to sign a player who was one of the best players in League 1 in his position and also happened to been called up to Denmark/England U21s then most would be happy for us to make the punt so I don't see why it should be different with out loanees.

problem is we could do with someone with a bit of experience at a higher level and or maturity in addition to those three.

Besides I have my doubts about Fedders going anywhere. Can't see him playing in the World Cup which would be the only serious chance of him getting enough attention to command a big enough fee or the desire for him to be prised away from us.

[Sun Tzu]

Hamer has played more games than Ashdown. Ashdown's appearances are rather pathetic - he's been a pro for over a decade and han't made close to 100 appearances yet.

he's got a lot of experience of sitting around and not playing competitive games.

Now you could argue he's in a similar position to Marcus when we signed him, last chance saloon. But i wonder whether if Ashdown had been born in (say ) Wallsend or Cheadlehume instead of Reading we'd even be discussing him.

[Ian Royal]

Hamer has played more games than Ashdown. Ashdown's appearances are rather pathetic - he's been a pro for over a decade and han't made close to 100 appearances yet.

he's got a lot of experience of sitting around and not playing competitive games.

Now you could argue he's in a similar position to Marcus when we signed him, last chance saloon. But i wonder whether if Ashdown had been born in (say ) Wallsend or Cheadlehume instead of Reading we'd even be discussing him.

He does have top flight experience though, two levels above anything the others have. And he is an older head and therefore hopefully has more maturity, which IMO is important in a keeper.

I'm not saying he's the one we should get should Fed go, but I'd rather have someone who's older and played at a level higher than League One around, even if he isn't first choice.

[Sun Tzu]

Hamer has played more games than Ashdown. Ashdown's appearances are rather pathetic - he's been a pro for over a decade and han't made close to 100 appearances yet.

he's got a lot of experience of sitting around and not playing competitive games.

Now you could argue he's in a similar position to Marcus when we signed him, last chance saloon. But i wonder whether if Ashdown had been born in (say ) Wallsend or Cheadlehume instead of Reading we'd even be discussing him.

He does have top flight experience though, two levels above anything the others have. And he is an older head and therefore hopefully has more maturity, which IMO is important in a keeper.
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Obviously not 2 levels above anything Hamer has....

You may be right, i'd be concerned that he's got pretty weak experience. In a long time at Pompey he's never made the shirt his own, and he's never decided to leave and get regular football. Maybe he's experienced Premiership wages without really having to put in premiership work - would he have the right attitude if he came to us ? I don;t know, but I think i'd rather have our own youngsters and there decent amount of experience alongside the drive to make it....

[Ian Royal]

Sorry, 3 for Hamer. Hadn't realised he'd only played at League two and conference.

Also hadn't realised McCarthy had gone straight in at League One level.

One more season out there for him doing well and I'd be happy for him to then take over number 1 if he's considered good enough.

[Sun Tzu]

Sorry, 3 for Hamer. Hadn't realised he'd only played at League two and conference.

Also hadn't realised McCarthy had gone straight in at League One level.

One more season out there for him doing well and I'd be happy for him to then take over number 1 if he's considered good enough.

I'd be happy for any of them to play anytime if they were considered good enough, no reason to wait artificially !!

[From Despair To Where?]

Kind of feel sorry for Ashdown. When he left he was considered very much a serious challenger as first pick in goal.

It could have been so different, a starting place in a record breaking team, elevation to the premiership and the wages that go with it etc, etc. Everything he got at Pompey and more, really. Hahnemann didn't have a serious challenger for his place for 3 years after Ashdown left.

Ashdown gets half a season in the top flight due to injury and then is forced down the pecking order by players that his club patently could not afford.

He is still a decent keeper but I suspect, with our strength in depth in goal, any opportunity to return has passed.

[Southbank Old Boy]

Hamer has played more games than Ashdown. Ashdown's appearances are rather pathetic - he's been a pro for over a decade and han't made close to 100 appearances yet.

he's got a lot of experience of sitting around and not playing competitive games.

Now you could argue he's in a similar position to Marcus when we signed him, last chance saloon. But i wonder whether if Ashdown had been born in (say ) Wallsend or Cheadlehume instead of Reading we'd even be discussing him.

We might not know of him as he we wouldnt have seen his potential and progress in front of our own eyes

We wouldnt have seen just how good he could have been if he hadnt left

Not being able to shift Englands number 1 out of the side isnt the worst thing in the world

[Ian Royal]

Sorry, 3 for Hamer. Hadn't realised he'd only played at League two and conference.

Also hadn't realised McCarthy had gone straight in at League One level.

One more season out there for him doing well and I'd be happy for him to then take over number 1 if he's considered good enough.

I'd be happy for any of them to play anytime if they were considered good enough, no reason to wait artificially !!

It's not just about being good enough, it's about experience. More so than anywhere at 'keeper. Which I believe is the point I've made about three times already but doesn't seem to be getting through.

[Big Foot]

Sorry, 3 for Hamer. Hadn't realised he'd only played at League two and conference.

Also hadn't realised McCarthy had gone straight in at League One level.

One more season out there for him doing well and I'd be happy for him to then take over number 1 if he's considered good enough.

FA Cup game vs Premiership Liverpool too, he kept a clean sheet against Torres

[Ian Royal]

Sorry, 3 for Hamer. Hadn't realised he'd only played at League two and conference.

Also hadn't realised McCarthy had gone straight in at League One level.

One more season out there for him doing well and I'd be happy for him to then take over number 1 if he's considered good enough.

FA Cup game vs Premiership Liverpool too, he kept a clean sheet against Torres

20 minutes and looked very shakey.

Big wow. 5 or 6 full games against Championship or Premier League opposition and it might just start beginning to be a small point.

[FiNeRaIn]

Saw him a few years ago whilst going on holiday, he was with his mrs, made a bit of a snide remark at him for leaving. Had he stayed he would have had a much better career that pompey reserves.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

It is fair to say that Marcus Hahneman was very well treated by RFC, meaning that Ashdown decided to move on.

He was in control of the jersey, but was told that there was no guarantee that it was his to start 2004/05 with, despite good performances when MH had been out injured.

[Big Foot]

Sorry, 3 for Hamer. Hadn't realised he'd only played at League two and conference.

Also hadn't realised McCarthy had gone straight in at League One level.

One more season out there for him doing well and I'd be happy for him to then take over number 1 if he's considered good enough.

FA Cup game vs Premiership Liverpool too, he kept a clean sheet against Torres

20 minutes and looked very shakey.

Big wow. 5 or 6 full games against Championship or Premier League opposition and it might just start beginning to be a small point.

Bothered? He kept a clean sheet and that's what keepers are paid to do

[Messiah]

He'd be a decent enough replacement for Fed.

[Sun Tzu]

Sorry, 3 for Hamer. Hadn't realised he'd only played at League two and conference.

Also hadn't realised McCarthy had gone straight in at League One level.

One more season out there for him doing well and I'd be happy for him to then take over number 1 if he's considered good enough.

I'd be happy for any of them to play anytime if they were considered good enough, no reason to wait artificially !!

It's not just about being good enough, it's about experience. More so than anywhere at 'keeper. Which I believe is the point I've made about three times already but doesn't seem to be getting through.

I think the fact that some people don't agree with you is what is failing to get through !!

Hamer has played more games than Ashdown - he has lots of experience ! You aren;t comparing someone with NO experience with someone with LOTS of experience. You are comparing 2 people with different experience. Ashdown has experience of being at a Premiership club, being on the bench at a Premiership club and playing sporadic games for a Premiership club. Hamer has experience at a lower level, but more time actually spent playing. He's been on the bench at Championship level and been part of a Premiership and Championship club.

I simply don't think there is a significant difference in terms of experience (and given the division we are in that is even more true).

So rather than you telling us that your point 'isn't getting through' maybe just accept that there is more than one view !!

And as to whether experience is more important for a keeper than anywhere else I think that is a massive over generalisation. It's important just about everywhere but I don;t think a kepper with 200 game sis twice as good as one with 100. By the time you've played a couple of seasons and got into 3 figures you've got enough experience for it not to be a big issue - things like reactions, confidence, communication, physique, bravery, anticipation all rank above experience (although all are also informed and enhanced by experience)