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[Ian Royal]

The handball rule is a tricky one. I don't think it was a deliberate attempt to handle the ball necessarily, but his arms were spread wide for no real reason and he (and we) very clearly gained an advantage from it.

It's so hard to determine deliberacy that refs tend to just stick to whether the arms were by the sides or not from what I've seen. The so called natural position? If they are, then a lot of the time it won't be given (though far from all the time). But before yesterday I'd have said 10 times out of 10 that would have been given as a penalty.

[PieEater]

It was ball to hand but most ref's would have given a pen, we got away with it presumably because he was so close and had no chance to get out of the way.

It makes up for the raft of non hand ball calls we didn't get during our run of draws, including a couple scooped off the line.

[Negative_Jeff]

Ingimarsson played like he had never been away. The Corner Pin an excellent boozer.
Come on my team!

[Duke the Dog]

Having seen the Ingi pen shout and the Iversen pen (Swan v CP) I think Ingi was lucky. Both quite similar (arms up, close to attacker, neither probably deliberate hand to ball), but one given, the other not. Go figure.

[RobRoyal]

Just seen the highlights - VERY lucky to survive the handball shout - IMO most refs nowadays would have given it and a red card too.

True that. Compare it to the Mills red card there last season, for instance - Ingimarsson appeared far more culpable to me.

[NR_Royal]

Interesting to see Donny fans judgement on Kebe...http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?opt ... &id=134872

[Rex]

Some fairly accurate posts which echo the sentiments of many on here.

[PEARCEY]

Some fairly accurate posts which echo the sentiments of many on here.

Indeed they do. When the dust settles on Jimmy Kebe's career he will be considered a Reading FC legend in my view.

[Rex]

Or an enigma.

[SWLR]

Bit of a delay responding.

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[Snowball]

Two things.

The Donny manager didn't think Ingi's handball deserved a penalty.

Kebe's pass was from 10-15 yards inside his own half. Great ball, but that IS "a long ball"

[RobRoyal]

Two things.

The Donny manager didn't think Ingi's handball deserved a penalty.

Kebe's pass was from 10-15 yards inside his own half. Great ball, but that IS "a long ball"

I think there's a difference between a long ball which is hoofed hopefully into an area, in the hope that the forward will hold it up and bring someone into play (or win it in the air), and a ball which travels a decent distance but which is intended to release a player in behind the defence.

Quality ball from Kebe - something I would never have expected to see from him. Well done that man.

[Snowball]

I think there's a difference between a long ball which is hoofed hopefully into an area, in the hope that the forward will hold it up and bring someone into play (or win it in the air), and a ball which travels a decent distance but which is intended to release a player in behind the defence.

Quality ball from Kebe - something I would never have expected to see from him. Well done that man.

Don't disagree with that

[Winnershroyal]

Interesting to see Donny fans judgement on Kebe...http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?opt ... &id=134872

Did you read the two pages of their thread?

The reviews are mixed really, some raving others a bit meh... " a bit like ........." sums it up and those degrees of type are wide.

Im happy really that he doesnt tear it up every week as he would definetely be going this January, in all honesty I dont think he will be with us next season anyway, whatever the outcome of our final position. When he does go, i agree that he will be thought of fondly rather than frustratingly.

A final game for us at Wembley would be nice.

[brendywendy]

Two things.

The Donny manager didn't think Ingi's handball deserved a penalty.

Kebe's pass was from 10-15 yards inside his own half. Great ball, but that IS "a long ball"

I think there's a difference between a long ball which is hoofed hopefully into an area, in the hope that the forward will hold it up and bring someone into play (or win it in the air), and a ball which travels a decent distance but which is intended to release a player in behind the defence.

Quality ball from Kebe - something I would never have expected to see from him. Well done that man.

that and the lob were superb bits of skill and composure- and even i, as a long term kebenista, have to say i was surprised by both

[ZacNaloen]

The handball rule is a tricky one. I don't think it was a deliberate attempt to handle the ball necessarily, but his arms were spread wide for no real reason and he (and we) very clearly gained an advantage from it.

It was for balance, as with most instances where people say "I don't know his hands were doing there" when it's ball to hand.

[brendywendy]

agreed- if players arent allowed to move their arms, why not do away with sleeves altogether, and keep those pesky arms constricted by their sides

[Ian Royal]

The handball rule is a tricky one. I don't think it was a deliberate attempt to handle the ball necessarily, but his arms were spread wide for no real reason and he (and we) very clearly gained an advantage from it.

It was for balance, as with most instances where people say "I don't know his hands were doing there" when it's ball to hand.

Normally I'd agree with you it's about balance - I hate the argument that you should have your arms tight by your side the entire time, it's ludicrous and fails to understand basic natural physicality IMO. But in this case we was so spread and his arms so wide I don't think it's a strong enough defence.

[Snowball]

Normally I'd agree with you it's about balance - I hate the argument that you should have your arms tight by your side the entire time, it's ludicrous and fails to understand basic natural physicality IMO. But in this case we was so spread and his arms so wide I don't think it's a strong enough defence.

Definitely a strong enough defence. he stopped the shot!

[ZacNaloen]

The handball rule is a tricky one. I don't think it was a deliberate attempt to handle the ball necessarily, but his arms were spread wide for no real reason and he (and we) very clearly gained an advantage from it.

It was for balance, as with most instances where people say "I don't know his hands were doing there" when it's ball to hand.

Normally I'd agree with you it's about balance - I hate the argument that you should have your arms tight by your side the entire time, it's ludicrous and fails to understand basic natural physicality IMO. But in this case we was so spread and his arms so wide I don't think it's a strong enough defence.

If he didn't have his arms his centre of gravity would have been ridiculous, definitely was for balance, as he was also turning at the same time.