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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by Svlad Cjelli » 09 Feb 2011 11:56

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Big Foot RFC has banned supporters from visiting other football stadiums without having a section 14 ban granted by the courts. Any clearer?


I'm not sure how they can do this - all they can do is refuse to sell tickets to an individual, but they have no jurisdiction over another company's premises, only their own.

They've done it already, I can appreciate they can probably ban supporters from purchasing tickets for away sections at Reading away games but to explicitly tell supporters if they're seen at away games they will be banned for life is outside their powers isn't it?


Pretty certain it is, yes. Although they can, sadly, ban anyone for life if they want to for whatever reason (that's legally correct but morally wrong, IMHO) so they could use that as a threat.

But they have no legal jurisdiction if a supporter decides to go anywhere else in the country, including the premises of other football clubs.

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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by Harpers So Solid Crew » 09 Feb 2011 12:42

Big Foot To further backup this case, the amount of coins thrown into the East Stand instead of West Stand tells a story....


There is a sensible comment if ever I heard one, well done BF.

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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by Jerry St Clair » 09 Feb 2011 18:32

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Svlad Cjelli They already refuse to sell individual tickets to non ST holders to this area, and they carefully check the ticket of each person sitting there to check they've got a valid ticket. So while it's not "closed" it's closed to new people - even ST holders who want to buy tickets fr their families to sit there.


Unless this is a very recent development, it isn't true. I bought an individual ticket for Y26 or the Boxing Day game.


I think they sell it last of all, so when there's going to be a big-selling match they'll sell Y26 tickets, but they won't for other matches - but please, if you know otherwise do let me know.


I bought my ticket 3 weeks before xmas.

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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by Svlad Cjelli » 09 Feb 2011 18:54

Ok - I think this is a second half of the season thing.

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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by Rex » 09 Feb 2011 19:03

Nope, as i have been doing it all season.


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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by Svlad Cjelli » 09 Feb 2011 19:09

Just been on the online ticketing and it looks like the section under the scoreboard - i.e between the walkway and the away end - isn't on sale for any game of those I tried, so I guess it's only part of Y26 this applies to.

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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by Tad Showbiz » 10 Feb 2011 20:44

Thinking about the Filming issue in Y25/Y26 bottom corner, are the stewards allowed to film the younger children who may be attending the game with their parents/guardian without permission?

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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by prostak » 10 Feb 2011 21:11

Is the stadium subject to FoI rulings? Could all spectators request a copy of the footage the stewards have taken of them? Obviously this would mean attacking the club, but they'd probably hesitate before blanket filming everyone again.

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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by Svlad Cjelli » 10 Feb 2011 22:09

Tad Showbiz Thinking about the Filming issue in Y25/Y26 bottom corner, are the stewards allowed to film the younger children who may be attending the game with their parents/guardian without permission?


Because when you buy a ticket you agree to accept the ground regulations, which include being filmed.


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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by Svlad Cjelli » 10 Feb 2011 22:10

prostak Is the stadium subject to FoI rulings? Could all spectators request a copy of the footage the stewards have taken of them? Obviously this would mean attacking the club, but they'd probably hesitate before blanket filming everyone again.


Nope, private organisations aren't subject to FOI, only governmental/public bodies. Not sure you can get footage under FOI, anyway - it's a different set of regulations that apply.

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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by Jerry St Clair » 10 Feb 2011 22:16

prostak Is the stadium subject to FoI rulings? Could all spectators request a copy of the footage the stewards have taken of them? Obviously this would mean attacking the club, but they'd probably hesitate before blanket filming everyone again.


You could try a subject access request under the Data Protection Act.

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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by Svlad Cjelli » 10 Feb 2011 22:26

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prostak Is the stadium subject to FoI rulings? Could all spectators request a copy of the footage the stewards have taken of them? Obviously this would mean attacking the club, but they'd probably hesitate before blanket filming everyone again.


You could try a subject access request under the Data Protection Act.


I do know that people at other clubs have tried and have come up against major obstacles - forget exactly which but I think one of the DPA opt-outs might be "the prevention of crime" as a data holding exemption. It might alternatively be the data access cost that is allowed to be levied.

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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by TFF » 10 Feb 2011 23:11

Tad Showbiz Thinking about the Filming issue in Y25/Y26 bottom corner, are the stewards allowed to film the younger children who may be attending the game with their parents/guardian without permission?


There's no law against filming children anywhere, or at anytime.


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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by Big Foot » 11 Feb 2011 00:25

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prostak Is the stadium subject to FoI rulings? Could all spectators request a copy of the footage the stewards have taken of them? Obviously this would mean attacking the club, but they'd probably hesitate before blanket filming everyone again.


Nope, private organisations aren't subject to FOI, only governmental/public bodies. Not sure you can get footage under FOI, anyway - it's a different set of regulations that apply.

I'm pretty certain that under FOI you can get ALL data relating to you that is on file passed to you regardless of how it's formed or the content. The reality is though that you will quite often find the "cheque to pay for admin fees never turned up" or some other cock & bull story.

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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by STAR Liaison » 11 Feb 2011 14:57

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Unless this is a very recent development, it isn't true. I bought an individual ticket for Y26 or the Boxing Day game.


I think they sell it last of all, so when there's going to be a big-selling match they'll sell Y26 tickets, but they won't for other matches - but please, if you know otherwise do let me know.


I have spoken to the club to clarify and the area that they do not sell tickets is the Y26 area from the gangway towards the scoreboard. The North side of the gangway is available to sell and is still Y26

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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by RoyalBlue » 12 Feb 2011 11:50

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prostak Is the stadium subject to FoI rulings? Could all spectators request a copy of the footage the stewards have taken of them? Obviously this would mean attacking the club, but they'd probably hesitate before blanket filming everyone again.


You could try a subject access request under the Data Protection Act.


I do know that people at other clubs have tried and have come up against major obstacles - forget exactly which but I think one of the DPA opt-outs might be "the prevention of crime" as a data holding exemption. It might alternatively be the data access cost that is allowed to be levied.


For those interested this is what Liberty have to say about the DPA.

http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourrights ... index.html

It is true that there is an exemption:

"Personal data held for the purpose of preventing or detecting crime, apprehending or prosecuting offenders, or assessing and collecting any tax or duty are exempt if disclosure would prejudice one of those purposes."


However, if a football club were abusing this exemption, maybe Liberty might be interested in looking into it?

I doubt cost would prevent anyone applying:

Organisations must register under the Data Protection Act and provide an address for subject access requests in their register entry. The register entry must also specify the purposes for which information is held. A data controller must not hold or use the information for purposes incompatible with those stated in the register entry.

Before supplying information, the data controller is entitled to ask you for proof of your identity and for any further details needed to locate data held about you. It may help if you say what your relationship to the organisation is (for example, customer, employee, student, patient), give any relevant dates or reference numbers and say which of its offices or branches you have dealt with - but don’t volunteer any information you regard as confidential or private. You do not need to say why you want the information. The data controller cannot refuse access because you might use the data to criticise the controller, complain or take legal action.

You may have to pay a fee. At the time of writing the maximum fee is £10, however, some organisations charge less or nothing. If information is held about you in both computer form and in structured paper files, a single £10 fee covers both. Different rules apply to educational records and manual health records, where you could be charged up to £50 - including the cost of all photocopies - and credit reference agency records where the maximum fee is £3.

The data controller must normally give access within 40 days of receiving your request and any supplementary details needed. It must supply the information in permanent form. This normally means a print-out or a photocopy, but could also include copies of microfiches, X-rays, or audio/video cassettes. Any unintelligible terms, such as computer codes, must be explained.

The data controller can refuse to supply a permanent copy of the data if this is not possible or would involve disproportionate effort. You are still entitled to inspect the information at the data controller’s premises.



The other thing is that complying with the provisions of an act such as this could cost a lot of time and effort for an organisation. So I guess if there was a major issue, the point could be pretty well made, merely through a mass request for information.

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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by Rex » 12 Feb 2011 15:11

That is true concerning images or data stored that 'might' contain information on yourself. This would be very time consuming to sit and trawl through and would also mean viewing footage on others which is not permissible. There are fixed CCTV cameras which would be nailed on to contain data on an individual but the issue of hand held camcorders is another issue. If there is footage on yourself then this would need to be indicated by the club. If this if not used for it's intended purpose of 'detecting and identifying a person committing an offence' then this footage should be over written after 31 days. If it's discarded under or over that time frame it is a breach of DPA regulations. The lack of clarity provided on if the camcorders are recording is an interesting point.

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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by prostak » 12 Feb 2011 17:42

Rex - if Mark Thomas has been teaching me right, then the subject is entitled to view the footage of themselves. Just means the body holding the information has to go through and obscure everyone else's face...

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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by Rex » 12 Feb 2011 19:09

I am sure that is only entered into if the footage is needed in court. What i find intriguing is the comments made about the camcorders being used to zoom in on spectators but not put onto record mode all the time. If this is the case then use binoculars as there are people who are not causing a scene but are seemingly zoomed in on.

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Re: Stewarding today in Y26

by jonboy29red » 13 Feb 2011 08:37

the only way i can see this being sorted out is for a mass protest i e every one standing in y26 then what they doing to do? do u see stewards walking up the kop telling people to sit down no leeds no so why us

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