QPR points deduction?

[TFF]

If the FA deduct them enough points to put them in the playoffs, they'll be praying QPR win them. Avoids lawsuits from anyone

Apart from the two beaten teams who were unfairly pitched against the best team in the league.

[leicsRoyal]

The more you look into it the less likely it is that a points deduction will be more than would still give QPR automatic promotion.

Deduct points to put them in the play offs - at least 3 compensation claims

Deduct points to take them out of the play offs - compensation claims from many teams finishing below 7th

Maybe take them out of the play offs, 1 team goes up automatically, play offs continue as normal until the final. Both teams reaching the final are guaranteed to go up, just a day of celebration at Wembley for both clubs and sets of fans. No chance I know, but a nice thought!

[PEARCEY]

:lol: I checked out his web-site last night. Haven't seen him live for more than 10 years. I loved his surrealism. No swearing or crudity. Just brilliant.

I saw him live in Leicester. Not that impressed.

Well you can fück off then

Valid. Archibald's on borrowed time now.

[Silver Fox]

Ironic that Tedder would normally LOL heartily at the username Doylerisaroyaler yet must now be loving his pronouncements.

I was surprised to hear the "experts" (Peter Beagrie?) yesterday saying that there's no way the FA could deduct points as it would take a "fairly won" title away from QPR. Does this mean if they were currently 7th it would be fine to deduct points and if so why should the punishment be different for the two situations?

[Mr Angry]

As we can't get automatic promotion even if QPR are punished with a points deduction, no QPR fan can say what I'm about to post is so that we get an advantage, or "sneak auto promotion through the back door".

Speaking as a football fan rather than a Reading fan, I think if QPR are found guilty, especially of the most serious charge which, as I understand it, is deliberately and knowingly covering up the fact to the FA that that Faurlin had 3rd Party ownership, then they should be relegated from the Championship, as the FA will need to be seen to stamping down on this activity hard otherwise other clubs will think "well, QPR cheated and got to the Premier League so we will as well".

I would think the same if ANY club in ANY division - including Reading - were to be found guilty of such a charge, as it totally damages the principle reason why there is integrity in sport, namely that ALL teams are abiding by the same rules as each other and don't try to get an advantage by breaking those rules.

[Snowball]

As we can't get automatic promotion even if QPR are punished with a points deduction, no QPR fan can say what I'm about to post is so that we get an advantage, or "sneak auto promotion through the back door".

Speaking as a football fan rather than a Reading fan, I think if QPR are found guilty, especially of the most serious charge which, as I understand it, is deliberately and knowingly covering up the fact to the FA that that Faurlin had 3rd Party ownership, then they should be relegated from the Championship, as the FA will need to be seen to stamping down on this activity hard otherwise other clubs will think "well, QPR cheated and got to the Premier League so we will as well".

I would think the same if ANY club in ANY division - including Reading - were to be found guilty of such a charge, as it totally damages the principle reason why there is integrity in sport, namely that ALL teams are abiding by the same rules as each other and don't try to get an advantage by breaking those rules.

Totally agree. IF they are found guilty of deliberately falsifying returns, relegation should be the minimum

[Snowball]

The more you look into it the less likely it is that a points deduction will be more than would still give QPR automatic promotion.

Deduct points to put them in the play offs - at least 3 compensation claims

Deduct points to take them out of the play offs - compensation claims from many teams finishing below 7th

Maybe take them out of the play offs, 1 team goes up automatically, play offs continue as normal until the final. Both teams reaching the final are guaranteed to go up, just a day of celebration at Wembley for both clubs and sets of fans. No chance I know, but a nice thought!

CUTE


Let's just relegate them to League 2.

[Forty]

a caller into 606 yesterday brought up the idea of a transfer embargo? Quite a penalty for a loaded newly promoted side, as it would almost certainly cost them their place.

Agree with lots on here. IF guilty, then throw the book at them. Small clubs get points deducted for administration - farnborough relegated 2 or three divisions for re financing. Send them to league 2

[RoyalBlue]

From one of the fake Hoops' local papers:

NEIL Warnock wants the Championship trophy ready and waiting at Watford tomorrow (Saturday) because if QPR finally claim it – the manager reckons it puts even more pressure on the FA to let them off a possible points deduction.

Warnock’s logic is that if Hoops get their hands on the silverware, there is an awful lot of egg on official faces if an independent tribunal recommends to take it back off them next week.

Rangers are charged with seven breaches of rules concerning the transfer of midfielder Ali Faurlin that could lead to a points fine.

On Tuesday, the club will present their side of the story with the verdict expected before the final game of the season at home to Leeds on Saturday week.

Warnock explained: "I don’t have any control on when we get the trophy – that’s up to the League. But should we beat Watford, I’ll take it now.

"It might mean there’s even more pressure on the commission to deal with the matter sensibly, although I’ve said all along I’m not bothered by the hearing."

[Ian Royal]

a caller into 606 yesterday brought up the idea of a transfer embargo? Quite a penalty for a loaded newly promoted side, as it would almost certainly cost them their place.

Agree with lots on here. IF guilty, then throw the book at them. Small clubs get points deducted for administration - farnborough relegated 2 or three divisions for re financing. Send them to league 2

It's not a bad idea, but they still profit massively because of one season of PL money and then 4 seasons of parachute payments with which to try and get back. And not being able to sign players means far more of that money will be available to invest in getting them back up.

[Svlad Cjelli]

I still think a points deduction efective next season is a real possibility.

It lets them have the promotion and doesn't screw up the play-offs, whils still allowing there to be a substantial punishment imposed, so no other club can really appeal against it.

[Mr Angry]

I still think a points deduction efective next season is a real possibility.

It lets them have the promotion and doesn't screw up the play-offs, whils still allowing there to be a substantial punishment imposed, so no other club can really appeal against it.

Except it wouldn't be a "substantial punishment"; it would be a spineless cop out by the FA imho.

The owners will still get the kudos for playing in the Premier League.

They will still get all the TV payments worth how much?

They will still get huge crowds bringing in additional revenue worth how much?

They will still be entitled to 4 years worth of parachute payments worth how much??

That will give them the financial clout to get back up again, or even allow the owners to sell the club at a premium (Bernie Ecclestone is already saying that he wants £100M for them) and will be seen as a price worth paying for having cheated; therefore, where would be the deterrent element of that punishment?

The FA punishment should be based on what is right and appropriate rather than considered through the possibility of legal action by the guilty party and unless the punishment is actually perceived as a punishment, then other clubs will consider the breaking of rules and regulations worthy of consideration in the future.

[readingbedding]

Huge crowds?
Loftus Road?

[Royal Lady]

If I were the FA and I let them go up - I would say they can't have any parachute money (even when they go down, they can't receive any tv money and they can't sign players for 6 months, plus they have a 10 point deduction on entering the Prem. See how the cheating barstewards like it then.

[Mr Optimist]

QPR still insisting that they have done nothing wrong and everything was above board. Hope the truth comes out to support this brave stance.

[Ian Royal]

QPR still insisting that they have done nothing wrong and everything was above board. Hope the truth comes out to support this brave stance.

Well they aren't going to admit anything before the hearing are they... otherwise they may as well just say relegate us now.

[Snowball]

If I were the FA and I let them go up - I would say they can't have any parachute money (even when they go down, they can't receive any tv money and they can't sign players for 6 months, plus they have a 10 point deduction on entering the Prem. See how the cheating barstewards like it then.

Tricky. Not sure I know the various relationships between, Premiership, Football League and FA

[Winnershroyal]

If I were the FA and I let them go up - I would say they can't have any parachute money (even when they go down, they can't receive any tv money and they can't sign players for 6 months, plus they have a 10 point deduction on entering the Prem. See how the cheating barstewards like it then.

Tricky. Not sure I know the various relationships between, Premiership, Football League and FA

BBC-The football league has contacted all promotion chasing clubs saying that the dates of the play offs may be moved back a week.

Interesting.

[Svlad Cjelli]

If I were the FA and I let them go up - I would say they can't have any parachute money (even when they go down, they can't receive any tv money and they can't sign players for 6 months, plus they have a 10 point deduction on entering the Prem. See how the cheating barstewards like it then.

Tricky. Not sure I know the various relationships between, Premiership, Football League and FA

The FA can impose playing penalties onto clubs via their affiliated leagues (e.g. points deductions, etc), and they can impose transfer embargoes, etc - but they can't force a league not to pay any of its shareholders (i.e. member clubs) a share of what they are entitled to as part of that league. All they can do from a financial point of view is fine a club.

[Royal Lady]

If I were the FA and I let them go up - I would say they can't have any parachute money (even when they go down, they can't receive any tv money and they can't sign players for 6 months, plus they have a 10 point deduction on entering the Prem. See how the cheating barstewards like it then.

Tricky. Not sure I know the various relationships between, Premiership, Football League and FA

The FA can impose playing penalties onto clubs via their affiliated leagues (e.g. points deductions, etc), and they can impose transfer embargoes, etc - but they can't force a league not to pay any of its shareholders (i.e. member clubs) a share of what they are entitled to as part of that league. All they can do from a financial point of view is fine a club.

Good. So fine them the equivalent of what money they would make in the Prem, plus a few million extra!