Hob Nob Anyone?

YateleyRoyal wrote:
Re your first para - I agree with that on the whole. However, the anti-Evans camp keep trotting out the line 'how will his victim feel when they see him?' - well how do the families of those that Hughes and McCormick killed feel?!

JakeTheRoyal wrote:Gulity, although hasnt he already done his time ...

floyd__streete wrote:What a load of appalling bandwagon jumping and double standards over an admittedly clearly contemptible individual in Ched Evans.

My understanding is such that Jessica Ennis-Hill has a stand named after her in 2012. In 2013 Sheffield United employ a man convicted of sexual assault, Marlon King. In 2014 Sheffield United offer convicted rapist Ched Evans the opportunity to train on a non-contract basis. Ennis-Hill demands that decision be reversed or she will take away her patronage. I feel for the women to be honest, utterly bandwagoned by pronouncements from fellow Sheffield United supporters of a high profile (a namely television presenter and an MP).

Evans has been convicted, spent the custodial part of his sentence and under the HUMAN RIGHTS that liberals stoutly defend he is at liberty to commence employment, subject to certain public protection criteria being satisfied. As Sheffield United as a private company are at liberty to employ who they so choose under the same criteria. As far as I can see, the only public protection issue for a mediocre footballer like Evans is in the crowd being struck by one of his wayward shots on goal. Seems to me that much of the reaction isn’t based on any remote concern for public protection.....more a social injustice that someone convicted of a despicable crime can continue to earn a large wage. In which case, blame our Criminal Justice system and the wonderful Human Rights Acts we are subjected to. Not Evans or Sheffield United.

I don’t buy the role-model BS either. It doesn’t credit young people with much intelligence for one thing. At an impressionable age I loved football probably even more so than I do now, yet my role models were writers or people who impressed me with their knowledge or people who achieved life-changing things. It is entirely possible to want to play football like Wayne Rooney and to realise that effing and blinding at officials such as he does is entirely contemptible. And I am sure that young people realise that off pitch criminal behaviour is equally abhorrent. If they don’t then I rather suspect there are some parenting and educational issues at play somewhere, nurture vs nature and all that.

Complete double standards from liberals, who on the other hand would have you believe that issues such as CSE rings based around Asian men abusing vulnerable young white women are “not a race issue”. They are right.....such things are Religious and cultural issues, although one dare not suggest as such through fear of causing offence. No right-minded person is suggesting that the Muslim community be vilified over this. But you have to admit to problems – however uncomfortable – to be able to embrace solutions. In the Ched Evans case, the uncomfortable ‘problem’ for those vilifying Sheffield United is that Human Rights Act absolutely protect the ‘right to life’ of convicted criminals (as it - almost always imho - should). And it therefore MUST be applied consistently, and not dependent on fame or wealth or otherwise.

Mr Angry wrote:Evans got 5 Years for rape - in effect, having sex with a girl too drunk to give consent - but rape nonetheless.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30040257

"A woman who orchestrated a "revenge rape" on a teenager she told "snitches get stitches" has been jailed.

Aliyah Weekes, 19, instigated a sex attack carried out by her brother in an alleyway on the 15-year-old victim, whom she accused of spreading rumours.

She was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in a young offenders institute for her role in what the Old Bailey judge called a "truly wicked" crime.

Her brother Lacquan Weekes, 18, was detained for five years for rape."

So a guy who forcibly rapes a 15yr old girl gets the same sentence as Evans, whilst I woman who orchestrated the attack, got 6 months less.............

I'm no legal expert, but it does seem to me that either Evans was given a particularly harsh sentence for his crime, or the 2 gang rapists of an underage schoolgirl got treated particularly leniently.

floyd__streete wrote:What a load of appalling bandwagon jumping and double standards over an admittedly clearly contemptible individual in Ched Evans.

My understanding is such that Jessica Ennis-Hill has a stand named after her in 2012. In 2013 Sheffield United employ a man convicted of sexual assault, Marlon King. In 2014 Sheffield United offer convicted rapist Ched Evans the opportunity to train on a non-contract basis. Ennis-Hill demands that decision be reversed or she will take away her patronage. I feel for the women to be honest, utterly bandwagoned by pronouncements from fellow Sheffield United supporters of a high profile (a namely television presenter and an MP).

Evans has been convicted, spent the custodial part of his sentence and under the HUMAN RIGHTS that liberals stoutly defend he is at liberty to commence employment, subject to certain public protection criteria being satisfied. As Sheffield United as a private company are at liberty to employ who they so choose under the same criteria. As far as I can see, the only public protection issue for a mediocre footballer like Evans is in the crowd being struck by one of his wayward shots on goal. Seems to me that much of the reaction isn’t based on any remote concern for public protection.....more a social injustice that someone convicted of a despicable crime can continue to earn a large wage. In which case, blame our Criminal Justice system and the wonderful Human Rights Acts we are subjected to. Not Evans or Sheffield United.

I don’t buy the role-model BS either. It doesn’t credit young people with much intelligence for one thing. At an impressionable age I loved football probably even more so than I do now, yet my role models were writers or people who impressed me with their knowledge or people who achieved life-changing things. It is entirely possible to want to play football like Wayne Rooney and to realise that effing and blinding at officials such as he does is entirely contemptible. And I am sure that young people realise that off pitch criminal behaviour is equally abhorrent. If they don’t then I rather suspect there are some parenting and educational issues at play somewhere, nurture vs nature and all that.

Complete double standards from liberals, who on the other hand would have you believe that issues such as CSE rings based around Asian men abusing vulnerable young white women are “not a race issue”. They are right.....such things are Religious and cultural issues, although one dare not suggest as such through fear of causing offence. No right-minded person is suggesting that the Muslim community be vilified over this. But you have to admit to problems – however uncomfortable – to be able to embrace solutions. In the Ched Evans case, the uncomfortable ‘problem’ for those vilifying Sheffield United is that Human Rights Act absolutely protect the ‘right to life’ of convicted criminals (as it - almost always imho - should). And it therefore MUST be applied consistently, and not dependent on fame or wealth or otherwise.

biff wrote:Surely kicking a piece of plastic between two posts is a quite adequate profession for a (questionably convicted) rapist to walk back into? It requires no moral compass, is based purely on athleticism, and if you are naive enough to think that footballers are anyones rolemodel then youve only yourself to blame. If you dont think that Mr Evans should return to his previous career, then which career would you be happy he started back at? Decorator? Bank teller? Traffic warden? Where do you draw the line?

paultheroyal wrote:
Decorator, cleaner, taxi driver, yeah they are a good start.

You can make a choice then whether you would want to use his services.

Do you expect Rolf Harris to return to television?

Sutekh wrote:If Mr Evans they wishes to seek employment as a professional footballer then he can now that in the eyes of the law he has completed his punishment

Any club could therefore employ Mr Evans if it wished

Of course everyone else has the right to their opinion and whether they subsequently continue to support or provide services to any such employer as a result.

Therefore if SUFC wants to employ Mr Evans it should be at liberty do so, but both the club and Mr Evans would have to take all the likely loss of support, finance and criticism that would ensue - so long as that criticism did not transgress the laws of the land.

Pepe the Horseman wrote:Whereas at 22(?) Ched Evans was a seasoned veteran of the rape world.

Portsmouth Royal wrote:

Sutekh wrote:If Mr Evans they wishes to seek employment as a professional footballer then he can now that in the eyes of the law he has completed his punishment

Any club could therefore employ Mr Evans if it wished

Of course everyone else has the right to their opinion and whether they subsequently continue to support or provide services to any such employer as a result.

Therefore if SUFC wants to employ Mr Evans it should be at liberty do so, but both the club and Mr Evans would have to take all the likely loss of support, finance and criticism that would ensue - so long as that criticism did not transgress the laws of the land.

Spot on.

paultheroyal wrote: Decorator, cleaner, taxi driver, yeah they are a good start.

You can make a choice then whether you would want to use his services.

Do you expect Rolf Harris to return to television?

floyd__streete wrote:Evans has been convicted, spent the custodial part of his sentence and under the HUMAN RIGHTS that liberals stoutly defend he is at liberty to commence employment, subject to certain public protection criteria being satisfied. As Sheffield United as a private company are at liberty to employ who they so choose under the same criteria.