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Re: Worried

by ZacNaloen » 14 Aug 2009 14:55

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I was there at Elm Park People want Madejski to invest in the club but why should he when there is clear evidence that a lot of Reading fans aren't willing to do the same.


Or, conversely, people are fed up with the club talking a good game with regard to our commitment to get back into the Premier League, whilst seeing our best and most established players leave to be replaced by untried and untested kids.


Pre season 2008

£11 million received
£1.5 million spent

Pre season 2009 (est)
£12 million received
£2 million spent

This does, indeed, show the club's commitment to get back to the premiership, but not in the way they think it does.


Spent (on players)

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Re: Worried

by Maguire » 14 Aug 2009 14:55

Spine is being ripped out of the squad IMHO - Doyle, Hunt, Hahnemann, Harper, Bikey.

But it's okay because we're going to be fired into the play-offs by Hal Robson-Kanu who scored a goal for Swindon once and Simon Church with his 1.5 games and 0 goals but it's okay because he's an international.

There will be more signings before the end of the month.

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Re: Worried

by Royal Rother » 14 Aug 2009 14:56

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Royalee I'm pretty much certain our young players will be good enough.


I do hope so. The 'rest assured' attitude of many HNA posters (not including yourself here) never fills me with much confidence; remember three worse teams?

Nothing fills you with much confidence to be fair.

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Re: Worried

by brendywendy » 14 Aug 2009 15:00

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and also the Coppell who dropped Karacan and Pearce as soon as they had 1 poor game, and also the Coppell who handed Church his debut in the most important game of the season under pressure to change things. Coppell was a fantastic manager but like a pensioner doesn't like change.


you said hed have given them no chance at all
otherwise id not have bothered replying.


He gave them far less of a chance than most managers would have.


even more so than usual:utter rubbish royalee
but luckily totally unproveable

find another successful manager at any league level who fields a team made up of 80% kids
if there are any they are way way way in the minority

LOL at anyone thinking that another manager would have played a whole team of them last season.

in fact i sincerely believe that its coppells prudent use of the kids last year, and loans he sent the rest on, that have meant they are any where near ready for this season.

you really do come across as a no nothing eedjit sometimes, which is odd, cos othertimes you seem relatively intelligent.

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Re: Worried

by Schards#2 » 14 Aug 2009 15:01

Maguire Spine is being ripped out of the squad IMHO - Doyle, Hunt, Hahnemann, Harper, Bikey.

But it's okay because we're going to be fired into the play-offs by Hal Robson-Kanu who scored a goal for Swindon once and Simon Church with his 1.5 games and 0 goals but it's okay because he's an international.

There will be more signings before the end of the month.


One would hope so.

Maybe these youngsters are a golden crop all maturing at the right time, I can't say as I haven't seen enough of them to judge but, on the balance of probability and historical precedent, it's unlikely.

Either way, a big LOL at anyone calling the dawn of a great new era on the back of a win at home to Burton Albion.


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Re: Worried

by brendywendy » 14 Aug 2009 15:02

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I was there at Elm Park People want Madejski to invest in the club but why should he when there is clear evidence that a lot of Reading fans aren't willing to do the same.


Or, conversely, people are fed up with the club talking a good game with regard to our commitment to get back into the Premier League, whilst seeing our best and most established players leave to be replaced by untried and untested kids.


Pre season 2008

£11 million received
£1.5 million spent

Pre season 2009 (est)
£12 million received
£2 million spent

This does, indeed, show the club's commitment to get back to the premiership, but not in the way they think it does.



as an intelligent business man yourself, i find it highly odd that you forgot to include the 29 Million in losses made in the previous ten years

im sure it was just oversight :roll:

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Re: Worried

by brendywendy » 14 Aug 2009 15:04

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floyd__streete Or, conversely, people are fed up with the club talking a good game with regard to our commitment to get back into the Premier League, whilst seeing our best and most established players leave to be replaced by untried and untested kids.


Pre season 2008

£11 million received
£1.5 million spent

Pre season 2009 (est)
£12 million received
£2 million spent

This does, indeed, show the club's commitment to get back to the premiership, but not in the way they think it does.


For comparison, what were the figures for 2005-6 pre-season?


- 6.8 million lost -with our highest average gate ever

:roll:

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Re: Worried

by Thaumagurist* » 14 Aug 2009 15:07

Schards#2 Either way, a big LOL at anyone calling the dawn of a great new era on the back of a win at home to Burton Albion.


Who said that?

Sure, Bignall, Mooney and Siggurdsson all scored their first ever goals for Reading, but they are not going to be automatic first choices. :roll:

They have a lot of promise and it remains to be seen if they will fulfil it.

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Re: Worried

by CMRoyal » 14 Aug 2009 15:11

Schards#2 Either way, a big LOL at anyone calling the dawn of a great new era on the back of a win at home to Burton Albion.


LOL at people LOLing at straw men.


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Re: Worried

by Focher » 14 Aug 2009 15:14

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Schards#2 Either way, a big LOL at anyone calling the dawn of a great new era on the back of a win at home to Burton Albion.


LOL at people LOLing at straw men.


i think you'll find people have been calling the dawn of a great new era since Rodgers was appointed, not from the back of a good win against a very poor league 2 side.

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Re: Worried

by Thaumagurist* » 14 Aug 2009 15:16

Well, it is a "new era", but not sure about "great".

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Re: Worried

by Royal Rother » 14 Aug 2009 15:19

Exciting new era, (made all the more so by the fact that we have a load of decent Academy prospects playing 1st team football), yes, but great new era? no, don't think I've seen it called that anywhere.

A note of realism amongst all the optimism and excitement is no bad thing, but why do some fans seem to actively resent others' optimism?

Edit: Holy crap, great minds think alike eh Spacey?
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Re: Worried

by CMRoyal » 14 Aug 2009 15:20

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Schards#2 Either way, a big LOL at anyone calling the dawn of a great new era on the back of a win at home to Burton Albion.


LOL at people LOLing at straw men.


i think you'll find people have been calling the dawn of a great new era since Rodgers was appointed, not from the back of a good win against a very poor league 2 side.


What I've found is one person (Royalee) proclaiming the dawn of a great new era. Most others quite rightly seem excited at the prospect of seeing how our youngsters do without daring to hope that they'll even make the playoffs, and with only the tentative belief that the squad might contain the bare bones of a promotion-chasing challenge within the next 3-4 years.

None of this is off the back of the Burton game, which has been largely greeted as semi-irrelevant.

Correct me if I'm wrong, everybody.


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Re: Worried

by Thaumagurist* » 14 Aug 2009 15:43

Royal Rother Edit: Holy crap, great minds think alike eh Spacey?


I thought it before you. ;)

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Re: Worried

by Barry the bird boggler » 14 Aug 2009 15:45

Whatever. Given our next 3 games we can better set some expectation..

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Re: Worried

by true blue 4 ever » 14 Aug 2009 16:07

So, you're quite happy to see the club sell & not actually buy anybody (again) This is exactly the reason why we are not still in the Premier League. Madejski's not interested in pushing the club forward but only in pushing himself up the rich list.[quote][/quote]


Well said that man..couldn't agree more

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Re: Worried

by brendywendy » 14 Aug 2009 16:09

the only way hell sell for the price he wants is if we go up.



rodgers has said over and over, hes trying to get two more players in


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Re: Worried

by Mr Controversial » 14 Aug 2009 16:15

I can see both sides of the story here.

It goes without saying that the long term future of Reading FC is the most important thing, but at the same time I think every Reading fan has the right to question the apparant black hole in to which vast sums of cash appear to have vanished.

Wherever the money has gone, the club should come out and explain it to us as this issue is coming up time and time again. The speculation need to be put to rest. If it is true that Mr M Is linining his pockets (which I doubt) then we deserve to be told. After all, the club are likely to owe Mr M a ton of cash and if its those loans being repaid then I dont think anyone can argue the point - but I dont want to hear Mr M talk about cutting cloth and appetite for promotion ever again.

Whatever the financial issue, I think the club could benefit massively from a high profile signing, after all we are having to slowly watch the back bone of our team vanish off to other teams with the transfer kitty apprantly vanishing even quicker!

I agree with previous comments regarding Mr Madejski - I dont think we will ever see Reading back in the Premiership with him here, but conversely I dont see us going bust under his stewardship either. I would far rather us be the club that we are in the Championship than become a slave to foreign investors such as Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City in the Premiership. Can you imagine what that must be like as a fan to watch your whole club get sold off!!

I have also argued that the most worrying thing about the club is the disparity between what they say and what they do. The mouth is commenting on the commitment to getting Reading back to the Premiership, but the actions are appearing to do the opposite. In my book you cant sell off the back bone of your squad one day and spout vitriol about promotion the next.

I think we will see a signing or two before the window shuts - the lack of investment in new, experienced players in to the squad over the past few years has been a real issue. I hope the youngsters are good enough for the job, I just hope we dont leave it too late to realise if they are not up to the grade.

On a final note regarding season ticket numbers. I appreciate that the lack of season tickets is causing a hole in the clubs finances, but things have become stale over the past two years and as important an appointment that Brendan Rogers is, it was not enough to warrant me splashing out to renew. The club PR is appalling and more should be done to promote some positivity. I am sorry, but I personally have not seen enough being done to take the club forward and having a one year old boy is damn expensive so I couldnt justify it.


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Re: Worried

by ZacNaloen » 14 Aug 2009 16:18

Long term thinking vs short term thinking.


The club regularly think longterm, and make statements with the long term in mind.

fans like to think short term and assume not spending 6 million in one transfer window = club don't want to get into premiership.

Is that different then to spending 6 million over 3 seasons for the right players at the right time in a manner that doesn't rely on having to get into debt (and lose money to interest in that)

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Re: Worried

by Terminal Boardom » 14 Aug 2009 16:40

CMRoyal What I've found is one person (Royalee) proclaiming the dawn of a great new era.


I don't give a flying oxf*rd what Royatakemeupthearseagainlpeasebrendanlee says or thinks.

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