BRIAN MCDERMOTT SIGN HIM UP

[midfield diamond]

Or pimping our unnecessary luxuries like Kebe & Marek on someone.

Kebe's value has gone up considerably after Saturday, he is now deadly in the air as well as on the floor.

[Ian Royal]

More goals than McAnuff & HRK.

[Ark Royal]

Or pimping our unnecessary luxuries like Kebe & Marek on someone.

I never thought I would see 'Kebe' and 'luxuries' in the same sentence.

[Coppelloadofthat]

Or pimping our unnecessary luxuries like Kebe & Marek on someone.

I never thought I would see 'Kebe' and 'luxuries' in the same sentence.

It's all relative

[Snowball]

Lets see. 23,500 x £23 (guesstimate price was about £32 for adults, STHs obviously work out cheaper and we have plenty of concessions) vs 19,000 x £18

540,500 vs 342,000
37%?

Not including corporate stuff of course. Or catering / merchandising sales.

This year's average gate is 17,700 not 19,000, Ian.

And my season ticket (if memory serves me right) was £550 for 19 games = £28.95 per game

23,500 * £28.95 = 680,325
17,700 * £19.56 = 346,212

A difference of 334,113 = 49% fall (and that's just gate money) now factor in collapse of hospitality,
more deals, cheaper food, reduced shop sales and we are in the 60% area

[SouthDownsRoyal]

Lets see. 23,500 x £23 (guesstimate price was about £32 for adults, STHs obviously work out cheaper and we have plenty of concessions) vs 19,000 x £18

540,500 vs 342,000
37%?

Not including corporate stuff of course. Or catering / merchandising sales.

This year's average gate is 17,700 not 19,000, Ian.

And my season ticket (if memory serves me right) was £550 for 19 games = £28.95 per game

23,500 * £28.95 = 680,325
17,700 * £19.56 = 346,212

A difference of 334,113 = 49% fall (and that's just gate money) now factor in collapse of hospitality,
more deals, cheaper food, reduced shop sales and we are in the 60% area

Alright Alan

[Ian Royal]

Lets see. 23,500 x £23 (guesstimate price was about £32 for adults, STHs obviously work out cheaper and we have plenty of concessions) vs 19,000 x £18

540,500 vs 342,000
37%?

Not including corporate stuff of course. Or catering / merchandising sales.

This year's average gate is 17,700 not 19,000, Ian.

And my season ticket (if memory serves me right) was £550 for 19 games = £28.95 per game

23,500 * £28.95 = 680,325
17,700 * £19.56 = 346,212

A difference of 334,113 = 49% fall (and that's just gate money) now factor in collapse of hospitality,
more deals, cheaper food, reduced shop sales and we are in the 60% area

For 12 games, which is hardly a season. I was actually doing it for last 46 games odd vs Premier League, which is why I knocked 900 off the 19,900. You also completely fail to take into account concessions or non STHs.

But that's you all over. Pick the figures you want to use and ignore the rest.

I may have made a complete guesstimate, but I didn't wrap it up as anything else and at least tried to consider all the variables.

So glad you are back.

[Snowball]

For 12 games, which is hardly a season. I was actually doing it for last 46 games odd vs Premier League, which is why I knocked 900 off the 19,900. You also completely fail to take into account concessions or non STHs.

But that's you all over. Pick the figures you want to use and ignore the rest.

I may have made a complete guesstimate, but I didn't wrap it up as anything else and at least tried to consider all the variables.

So glad you are back.

Hmmm, using ALL of this season so far (league) and REMOVING the dire Barnsley & Burton cup games (which would make the average for this season look WORSE) is being "selective" versus your GUESSTIMATE?

Add those two in and the average gate drops to 16,100

As for concessions etc, unless you can show different, they should be Pro-Rata.

That is, concessions (eg under 16 or OAP), and on-the-day tickets, would be a percentage of ST prices.


THEREFORE we can use the ST price as a genuine, reasonable and checkable measure.

The actual income doesn't matter. It's the RELATIVE income we are discussing.


And why oh why oh why would we consider LAST season's gates when up until Xmas that season we were flying
and looking to have a real chance of going straight back up. It's THIS season's gates and income that
really matters. SJM didn't say "since we left the Prem" He simply said income is down 60%, and even
the stupidest fan knows we went for it financially last year knowing it was a risk and that this year,
even without the recession, things were going to hurt.

Add in the recession and the serious loss of hospitality money

[BR2]

Is the official car park full every week?
Has the cost of parking been reduced?
I very much doubt that there has been a 60% reduction in either.

[Royal Lady]

Snowball - I'm not stupid - and JM specifically said receipts are 60% down from last year.

[brendywendy]

price went down about 30 %
attendances down about 30%

?

[Hoop Blah]

Snowball - I'm not stupid - and JM specifically said receipts are 60% down from last year.

I listened to the interview at the time, and I think Madejski meant revenues in general when he said receipts. Only my personal reading of the conversation though, and knowing what he's like it will be ball park figures only so all this pulling the comment apart is just daft.

He didn't specify a timeframe either, but considering the conversation was all about falling out of and getting back to the Premiership, and the cost cutting at the club that has followed relegation I think it was probably based on the last two years as opposed to last season to this.

Really don't see an issue here!

[Snowball]

Snowball - I'm not stupid - and JM specifically said receipts are 60% down from last year.

I just listened t the broadcast again, TWICE

The first time he mentioned receipts, he actually said, "No last year was terrible too" (paraphrasing)
and the context made it clear he meant 60% down on the Premiership

Categorically, he did NOT become specific

He didn't "specifically" say 60% down on last year

he didn't specifically say down 60% on the Prem

But he DID say last year was also bad, inferring he meant the Premiership
and he talked about the various leavings as inevitable due to clauses in
players' contracts

[Hoop Blah]

Actually Snowball, shock horror, I just found one of your posts useful!

At the time I thought the comment about the players leaving to be the most interesting thing about the conversation. Obviously Madejski didn't give much away, and in just the same was as the 60% remark was a bit ballpark and general, he did say they couldn't do much about the players leaving because they were contractually obligated to let them go.

As much as the cutting of the cloth probably would've meant we'd have let them go anyway, some of the criticism and effects of losing those players were basically out of our hands (once the contracts were signed of course).

[Ian Royal]

Minimum release almost certainly would have been there in most I'd have thought. Doyle and Hunt probably negotiated non-promotion release clauses when they signed new deals around Xmas last year...

[RoyalBlue]

What was in their contracts is pretty irrelevant and something of a smokescreen.

Given the sale/disposal of players we have witnessed since the end of last season and the pitiful amount in comparison that has been spent on inward transfers, does anyone seriously believe that Madejski and co would not have cashed in on all of the star players, regardless of whether or not their contracts entitled them to be released?!

[Ian Royal]

What was in their contracts is pretty irrelevant and something of a smokescreen.

Given the sale/disposal of players we have witnessed since the end of last season and the pitiful amount in comparison that has been spent on inward transfers, does anyone seriously believe that Madejski and co would not have cashed in on all of the star players, regardless of whether or not their contracts entitled them to be released?!

Yes.

[paultheroyal]

Bottom 3 tonight - now that is depressing viewing.

[Ian Royal]

I'll worry if we're still there in a few weeks.

[West Stand Flash]

Sign him up, he has guided is to bottom 3. Top coach.