QPR points deduction?

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

so a 6 figure sum then!!

[Silver Fox]

Has anyone mentioned that Plymouth Argyle are due a 6 figure sum if QPR are promoted to the Premier League, as a clause in Mackie's contract kicks in (I think it's him), and they are taking legal advice as its not small change to them given their predicament


Messy, but at least the lawyers will make money...

If they dont go up they wont get the money, simples really

^that to the max

[roadrunner]

Two crappy cheating clubs getting screwed over for the price of one. Marvelous.

Amen brother.

[Royal Rother]

I think that QPR will be in the PL next year as Champions of the Championship. It is just too monumental and unprecedented to take the title and PL away. Putting aside the "inside cricket" of how this in playing England, the rest of the world will take a very dim view of what on the surface will appear to be an excessive and unjust penalty to a quality footballing side.

Believe me, I know how that that in and of itself would be unjust but i actually think the FAs international image with its massive oversees support for its leagues will come into play here.

I just cannot see the international view on all this being of any relevance whatsoever. In fact I can't see overseas football fans giving a toss what happens to QPR.

[Svlad Cjelli]

I am assuming that there has been some issue with evidence meaning it takes longer to resolve - I'm thinking a new docuemnt has been presented as evidence and hasn't been properly translated or verified, etc.

[royalsontour1871]

Just read this on the Cardiff fans forum dunno how much is true!


Is that the submission of both the FA's evidence and the club (QPR) defence has taken longer than was at first thought this has resulted in the FA being placed in a impossible position in respect of actually delivering it judgement to QPR.

FA Rule K 13 a requires that any decision or judgement involving an IRC must be delivered either by post or by hand by no later than 5.00pm on a business day for it to take immediate effect. The whole timescale for this IRC, including the starting date of the tribunal, was decided by the Chairman of the IRC or the QC employed by the FA.

It appears that he has done far from a sterling job in controlling business throughtout the last 3 days and we are now well behind the timetable he set out. This afternoon he informed the FA of the situation and told them it was not possible to come to a decision to allow sufficient time to hand deliver the judgement to QPR before 5.00pm tomorrow and as a result the FA has found itself handcuffed by it's own regulations, wrapped up in its own red tape effectively.

Apparently the FA Chairman has ripped into this QC because unless the decision is available to the FA by 4.00pm tomorrow it cannot be made public and therefore effective until Monday. It's almost unbelieveable isn't it but I promise you this is the truth behind todays statement.

You can read whatever you like into the innocence or otherwise of the club but accept one thing there is now no reason why the club cannot be presented with the Championship Trophy on Saturday but it does not mean it can't or won't be taken away on Monday.

QPR have apparently done a great job of forensic analysis of the regulations and apparently there is a rainforest of information to be gone through but the FA do not accept that their case has been damaged or discredited.

However the same cannot be said regarding the timing and control of this IRC during the last 3 days. Don't shoot the messenger here this is just what I've been told and to be honest it makes sense to me.

[Jackson Corner]

I can never gat my hear round QC's coming from the same chambers. One minute having lunch together the next slagging each other off in court. Anyone remember Petrocelli? He was a lawyer who spent his spare time building a brick wall.

He was building the family home whilst living in a caravan and solving complex cases then crushing all in court. Friday night BBC 1 9pm.

Great knowledge...........That wall never got much above his waste if I remember.

[RoyalBlue]

Got a text from a mate saying QPR will get off scott free and will then sue the FA for slander etc

not sure how true this is or just wishful thinking

Well the text is crap! The "allegations" are in print therefore libel not slander. More significantly they were charges made as part of a disciplinary process and therefore can't be libelous!

[West Stand Man]

I can never gat my hear round QC's coming from the same chambers. One minute having lunch together the next slagging each other off in court. Anyone remember Petrocelli? He was a lawyer who spent his spare time building a brick wall.

He was building the family home whilst living in a caravan and solving complex cases then crushing all in court. Friday night BBC 1 9pm.

Great knowledge...........That wall never got much above his waste if I remember.

God help us if that is the standard of English being taught in Reading schools these days.

[swansea jack]

My theory is this. QPR will be deducted 10 points which has already been decided. The decision not to announce is based on Health & Safety issues. If QPR lose or draw and Carfiff or Swansea get right results crowd trouble would be a major concern. Will be announced on Monday and just team change for one of the playoffs. QPR fans will have calmed down.

Lol.

Is this the first time you've noticed the presence of C*rdiff, Forest, Leeds, Millwall and us in the hunt for playoff places??

[Royal Lady]

Well, I'm still hoping that the delay means that they are being relegated. If they told QPR that today, they would probably not bother to play that well against Leeds - and that could let Leeds into the play offs at the expense of, say, Forest - who would then want to sue as it was an "unfair playing field" or whatever. If QPR don't know the extent of their punishment, they are going to try and beat Leeds still.

I still find it hard to believe that the Championship Trophy will be awarded to QPR tomorrow though - I feel for the fans if it is then taken away - but if they don't get presented with the Trophy, QPR will know something is afoot.

I am hoping the FA don't capitulate on this - relegate QPR, Norwich go up as Champions, the winner of the play-offs goes up and Sheff Utd are saved from relegation.

[Schards#2]

LOL if QPR get presented the trophy tomorrow. Celebrations hollower than a russian doll inside a trojan horse.

Presenting the trophy is the culmination of the season for the Football League, I cannot believe they would allow this showcase moment to either not take place or to take place under a cloud without very good reason. Which leads me to believe that if their was not likely to be a points deduction, the decision would be given today.

I still believe relegation to Div 1 remains a possibility with Sheff Utd staying up and, possibly, only two being relegated from the Prem, hence the fact that the play offs aren't being delayed.

[T.R.O.L.I.]

Which leads me to believe that if their was not likely to be a points deduction, the decision would be given today.

I still believe relegation to Div 1 remains a possibility with Sheff Utd staying up and, possibly, only two being relegated from the Prem, hence the fact that the play offs aren't being delayed.

Agree with this - and also the point someone made (possibly RL ) about QPR appealing and the punishment being reduced to "no promotion" rather than releagtion. Would thus save the 3rd from bottom team in the PL rather than 3rd from bottom team in the NPC.

[PieEater]

You have to think that was part of QPR's defence tactics, they delay as much as they can to enable them to be presented with the trophy. Then it becomes a whole lot more embarassing for it to go elsewhere.

[Seal]

I'm sitting about 10 feet away from the guys who run the football league account.

They have to present the trophy if no decision has been made; otherwise they are assuming guilt before it has be confirmed.

The FA have really stitched up the Football League here.

[TheRouge]

Either way - the hearing isn't even finished yet is it? Yet they know the verdict will either be 5 or 6 points - or 20+ points. Sounds like real justice in action here...

[Seal]

Or...

QPR could better Cardiff's result tomorrow, and the FA dock them 10 points (a reasonable figure) and nothing changes...

Theory going round here is the reason that the FA delayed the hearing was they they hoped QPR built up enough of a lead over 3rd that they could be fined a decent amount of points (10-20) and yet not effect the outcome of the promotion places.

[The Prisoner]

Did I read somewhere that QPR chose to have the hearing delayed til now "because of the time it was going to take to prepare the legal arguments"?

I can't find the quote, but I am sure someone from the FA has come out and said that.

Obv presenting the trophy looks a touch unretractable.....

[Svlad Cjelli]

I understand there are problems finding a piece of elastic big enough to tie to the trophy.

[The Prisoner]

I understand there are problems finding a piece of elastic big enough to tie to the trophy.

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