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Re: Rival Watch

by Green » 10 Jun 2022 22:07

windermereROYAL Well the Derby takeover is now dead in the water but the EFL are giving them the 328th chance of getting a deal over the line.

Bury would like a word.

Too big to go bust. Bury weren't.

Harsh on the shakers but there it is.

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Re: Rival Watch

by AthleticoSpizz » 10 Jun 2022 22:11

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Re: Rival Watch

by Stranded » 11 Jun 2022 07:57

From Despair To Where? But then factor in the due diligence done on Steve Dale by the EFL. IIRC, he was allowed to proceed with the take over without proof of funding.

The EFL seriously dropped the ball.


Wasn't part of the problem that Dale bought the club "in secret" for a quid. So by the time the EFL could do the checks he was already owner, which made things more difficult for them.

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Re: Rival Watch

by SouthDownsRoyal » 11 Jun 2022 09:58

windermereROYAL Well the Derby takeover is now dead in the water but the EFL are giving them the 328th chance of getting a deal over the line.

Bury would like a word.


That’s true

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Re: Rival Watch

by PATRIQT » 11 Jun 2022 11:07

Bury was different in that they ran out of money, whereas someone is still keeping Derby afloat for now.

The big deadline is pay day this month. Then we should see points deductions if that money dries up.


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Re: Rival Watch

by SouthDownsRoyal » 11 Jun 2022 11:22

PATRIQT Bury was different in that they ran out of money, whereas someone is still keeping Derby afloat for now.

The big deadline is pay day this month. Then we should see points deductions if that money dries up.


Rooneys cash

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Re: Rival Watch

by Winston Biscuit » 11 Jun 2022 14:58

I guess Derby now have a couple of weeks of Mike Ashley mincing around until it gets to the last moment and he gets them for a rock bottom price

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Re: Rival Watch

by Sutekh » 11 Jun 2022 15:47

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windermereROYAL Well the Derby takeover is now dead in the water but the EFL are giving them the 328th chance of getting a deal over the line.

Bury would’ve liked the chance of some palm-greasing.
corrected for you etc etc


It is all rather ridiculous, there should be a set timeline which cannot be changed no matter who you are. Quite simply Derby (or any club) should be out of administration and/or under acceptable new ownership by the start of a new season (30th July in this case). If they are not then that club should be immediately expelled from the league and have to apply for election to whichever appropriate lower (non) league has a vacancy for the start of the season after the next.

If this was one of the various non leagues rather than the FL no doubt the matter would have been sorted one way or another already.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Franchise FC » 11 Jun 2022 16:39

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windermereROYAL Well the Derby takeover is now dead in the water but the EFL are giving them the 328th chance of getting a deal over the line.

Bury would’ve liked the chance of some palm-greasing.
corrected for you etc etc


It is all rather ridiculous, there should be a set timeline which cannot be changed no matter who you are. Quite simply Derby (or any club) should be out of administration and/or under acceptable new ownership by the start of a new season (30th July in this case). If they are not then that club should be immediately expelled from the league and have to apply for election to whichever appropriate lower (non) league has a vacancy for the start of the season after the next.

If this was one of the various non leagues rather than the FL no doubt the matter would have been sorted one way or another already.

Agreed except that I’d use the release date of fixtures as the cut-off, simply because of the chaos related to a club being removed after the fixtures are announced


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Re: Rival Watch

by Stranded » 11 Jun 2022 19:17

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It is all rather ridiculous, there should be a set timeline which cannot be changed no matter who you are. Quite simply Derby (or any club) should be out of administration and/or under acceptable new ownership by the start of a new season (30th July in this case). If they are not then that club should be immediately expelled from the league and have to apply for election to whichever appropriate lower (non) league has a vacancy for the start of the season after the next.

If this was one of the various non leagues rather than the FL no doubt the matter would have been sorted one way or another already.

Agreed except that I’d use the release date of fixtures as the cut-off, simply because of the chaos related to a club being removed after the fixtures are announced


Agreed. Needs to be in good time to avoid a division being a team short if at all possible.

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Re: Rival Watch

by SouthDownsRoyal » 12 Jun 2022 09:12

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windermereROYAL Well the Derby takeover is now dead in the water but the EFL are giving them the 328th chance of getting a deal over the line.

Bury would’ve liked the chance of some palm-greasing.
corrected for you etc etc


It is all rather ridiculous, there should be a set timeline which cannot be changed no matter who you are. Quite simply Derby (or any club) should be out of administration and/or under acceptable new ownership by the start of a new season (30th July in this case). If they are not then that club should be immediately expelled from the league and have to apply for election to whichever appropriate lower (non) league has a vacancy for the start of the season after the next.

If this was one of the various non leagues rather than the FL no doubt the matter would have been sorted one way or another already.


But this is Wayne rooneys derby!

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Re: Rival Watch

by Simon's Church » 13 Jun 2022 08:29

Rosenior being linked with the Blackpool job, would be interesting to see how he gets on. Always seemed quite impressive and has a good reputation as a coach.

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Re: Rival Watch

by muirinho » 13 Jun 2022 10:55

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It is all rather ridiculous, there should be a set timeline which cannot be changed no matter who you are. Quite simply Derby (or any club) should be out of administration and/or under acceptable new ownership by the start of a new season (30th July in this case). If they are not then that club should be immediately expelled from the league and have to apply for election to whichever appropriate lower (non) league has a vacancy for the start of the season after the next.

If this was one of the various non leagues rather than the FL no doubt the matter would have been sorted one way or another already.

Agreed except that I’d use the release date of fixtures as the cut-off, simply because of the chaos related to a club being removed after the fixtures are announced


Agreed. Needs to be in good time to avoid a division being a team short if at all possible.


Doesn't that process take quite a bit of time? After the initial computer-generated list is done, there's a stack of meetings with interested parties to tweak it? I'd say at least 10 days before the fixture list is agreed as a cut off.

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/june/fixt ... -compiled/


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Re: Rival Watch

by Franchise FC » 13 Jun 2022 11:34

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Agreed. Needs to be in good time to avoid a division being a team short if at all possible.


Doesn't that process take quite a bit of time? After the initial computer-generated list is done, there's a stack of meetings with interested parties to tweak it? I'd say at least 10 days before the fixture list is agreed as a cut off.

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/june/fixt ... -compiled/

Whatever the process, leaving the deadline until the week before the season is definitely not the answer

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Re: Rival Watch

by Norfolk Royal » 13 Jun 2022 13:59

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windermereROYAL Well the Derby takeover is now dead in the water but the EFL are giving them the 328th chance of getting a deal over the line.

Bury would’ve liked the chance of some palm-greasing.
corrected for you etc etc


It is all rather ridiculous, there should be a set timeline which cannot be changed no matter who you are. Quite simply Derby (or any club) should be out of administration and/or under acceptable new ownership by the start of a new season (30th July in this case). If they are not then that club should be immediately expelled from the league and have to apply for election to whichever appropriate lower (non) league has a vacancy for the start of the season after the next.

If this was one of the various non leagues rather than the FL no doubt the matter would have been sorted one way or another already.


I doubt we/you would be saying that if it was RFC.

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Re: Rival Watch

by PATRIQT » 13 Jun 2022 14:35

Bassini buying Birmingham, and the meltdown on Twitter is glorious!

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Re: Rival Watch

by muirinho » 13 Jun 2022 15:09

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Agreed. Needs to be in good time to avoid a division being a team short if at all possible.


Doesn't that process take quite a bit of time? After the initial computer-generated list is done, there's a stack of meetings with interested parties to tweak it? I'd say at least 10 days before the fixture list is agreed as a cut off.

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/june/fixt ... -compiled/

Whatever the process, leaving the deadline until the week before the season is definitely not the answer


Oh absolutely, I was more thinking that they are quite possibly already working on the fixture list, so it would already cause chaos. You couldn't just slap in "replacement for Derby" in L1 and "replacement for replacement for Derby" in the league below, etc, all the way down, and hope it all worked out.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Silver Fox » 13 Jun 2022 15:17

How are Derby still going?

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Re: Rival Watch

by From Despair To Where? » 13 Jun 2022 15:24

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Doesn't that process take quite a bit of time? After the initial computer-generated list is done, there's a stack of meetings with interested parties to tweak it? I'd say at least 10 days before the fixture list is agreed as a cut off.

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/june/fixt ... -compiled/

Whatever the process, leaving the deadline until the week before the season is definitely not the answer


Oh absolutely, I was more thinking that they are quite possibly already working on the fixture list, so it would already cause chaos. You couldn't just slap in "replacement for Derby" in L1 and "replacement for replacement for Derby" in the league below, etc, all the way down, and hope it all worked out.


Would be easier to just expunge them from rhe fuxtures and have a 23 team division for 1 year.

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Re: Rival Watch

by Stranded » 13 Jun 2022 15:56

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Franchise FC Whatever the process, leaving the deadline until the week before the season is definitely not the answer


Oh absolutely, I was more thinking that they are quite possibly already working on the fixture list, so it would already cause chaos. You couldn't just slap in "replacement for Derby" in L1 and "replacement for replacement for Derby" in the league below, etc, all the way down, and hope it all worked out.


Would be easier to just expunge them from rhe fuxtures and have a 23 team division for 1 year.


Will be getting to the stage where that will be what happens if they aren't satisfied that a takeover will complete in time. Not ideal for the team who have to finish a week earlier than everyone else esp. if involved in promotion/relegation but probably the easiest path forward.

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