MATCHWATCH : Preston North End (h)

[jd82]

club1871 are a disgrace for their actions in the minutes silence and the pitch invarion

they should be investigated and feel the full force of the law and be banned from the stadium

The interruption to the silence wasn’t great, but it clearly wasn’t done with any malice, just mistimed enthusiasm. Didn’t see any invarion (sic) from 1871, so won’t comment on it.

I did not say the invitation (sick) came from club1871, I mister comma

A comma, does nothing, to the meaning, of the sentence.

[Loafer]

The interruption to the silence wasn’t great, but it clearly wasn’t done with any malice, just mistimed enthusiasm. Didn’t see any invarion (sic) from 1871, so won’t comment on it.

I did not say the invitation (sick) came from club1871, I mister comma

A comma, does nothing, to the meaning, of the sentence.

I read that like Stevie from Malcolm in the Middle

[Ascotexgunner]

How to ruin a weekend before it's even started.
I swear we are cursed. Heading for a relegation scrap again at this rate...

[windermereROYAL]

C1871 thought it was over after the last post, they didn't listen to the announcement, they soon went quiet when they realised.
As for the match, the less said the better, the gap between us and the bottom 3 could shrink significantly before the WC.

[URZZZZ]

Also pointless starting Carroll who offers very little upfront.
Very disappointing.

Same thing every time isn’t it? Carroll should be a very good Championship forward (look how good he was against Norwich) but he needs decent, reliable crosses into the box and players around him to work from his knockdowns. Too often, we have neither. Meite plays on the back foot so it isn’t going to be a successful partnership. Same thing with Carroll and Joao. Same story of having decent strikers and not using them properly, Puscas, Baldock, Grabban, etc etc. It isn’t just a mere coincidence

If you’re not going to cross the ball into the box, you’re taking away Carroll’s main threat. I have no idea what Hoilett is meant to be at the moment and I feel for Rahman, being thrown in a position he clearly can’t play

[Zip]

Also pointless starting Carroll who offers very little upfront.
Very disappointing.

Same thing every time isn’t it? Carroll should be a very good Championship forward (look how good he was against Norwich) but he needs decent, reliable crosses into the box and players around him to work from his knockdowns. Too often, we have neither. Meite plays on the back foot so it isn’t going to be a successful partnership. Same thing with Carroll and Joao. Same story of having decent strikers and not using them properly, Puscas, Baldock, Grabban, etc etc. It isn’t just a mere coincidence

If you’re not going to cross the ball into the box, you’re taking away Carroll’s main threat. I have no idea what Hoilett is meant to be at the moment and I feel for Rahman, being thrown in a position he clearly can’t play

We also take too long to cross the ball taking too many touches along the way.

[URZZZZ]

Also pointless starting Carroll who offers very little upfront.
Very disappointing.

Same thing every time isn’t it? Carroll should be a very good Championship forward (look how good he was against Norwich) but he needs decent, reliable crosses into the box and players around him to work from his knockdowns. Too often, we have neither. Meite plays on the back foot so it isn’t going to be a successful partnership. Same thing with Carroll and Joao. Same story of having decent strikers and not using them properly, Puscas, Baldock, Grabban, etc etc. It isn’t just a mere coincidence

If you’re not going to cross the ball into the box, you’re taking away Carroll’s main threat. I have no idea what Hoilett is meant to be at the moment and I feel for Rahman, being thrown in a position he clearly can’t play

We also take too long to cross the ball taking too many touches along the way.

Yep, a fair few times in the first half, Yiadom and Ince had time to pick out a cross yet try to play so intricately around the box. Must be extremely frustrating for Carroll and Meite. On the other side, you have a fullback who is afraid to attack the space. I’ve been really disappointed with how Ince has treated NGW. One bad performance and dropped like a stone, compared to others. You can tell he doesn’t trust the younger players in the squad

It’s worked well for a portion of the season but I’m not a fan of 5 at the back. Said it many times before, but it’s so dependent on having two decent reliable wingbacks. Hoilett was looking like one of those but he’s been dreadful for the last 6/7 games. Yiadom and Rahman are so far away from being the answer. Back to a more conventional 4 at the back I think

[Zip]

Same thing every time isn’t it? Carroll should be a very good Championship forward (look how good he was against Norwich) but he needs decent, reliable crosses into the box and players around him to work from his knockdowns. Too often, we have neither. Meite plays on the back foot so it isn’t going to be a successful partnership. Same thing with Carroll and Joao. Same story of having decent strikers and not using them properly, Puscas, Baldock, Grabban, etc etc. It isn’t just a mere coincidence

If you’re not going to cross the ball into the box, you’re taking away Carroll’s main threat. I have no idea what Hoilett is meant to be at the moment and I feel for Rahman, being thrown in a position he clearly can’t play

We also take too long to cross the ball taking too many touches along the way.

Yep, a fair few times in the first half, Yiadom and Ince had time to pick out a cross yet try to play so intricately around the box. Must be extremely frustrating for Carroll and Meite. On the other side, you have a fullback who is afraid to attack the space. I’ve been really disappointed with how Ince has treated NGW. One bad performance and dropped like a stone, compared to others. You can tell he doesn’t trust the younger players in the squad

It’s worked well for a portion of the season but I’m not a fan of 5 at the back. Said it many times before, but it’s so dependent on having two decent reliable wingbacks. Hoilett was looking like one of those but he’s been dreadful for the last 6/7 games. Yiadom and Rahman are so far away from being the answer. Back to a more conventional 4 at the back I think

I havent ever been a fan of wingback because we haven't had the players who could play that role
Said many times over that Yids is a poor crosser and that hasn't changed.

[leon]

Also pointless starting Carroll who offers very little upfront.
Very disappointing.

Same thing every time isn’t it? Carroll should be a very good Championship forward (look how good he was against Norwich) but he needs decent, reliable crosses into the box and players around him to work from his knockdowns. Too often, we have neither. Meite plays on the back foot so it isn’t going to be a successful partnership. Same thing with Carroll and Joao. Same story of having decent strikers and not using them properly, Puscas, Baldock, Grabban, etc etc. It isn’t just a mere coincidence

If you’re not going to cross the ball into the box, you’re taking away Carroll’s main threat. I have no idea what Hoilett is meant to be at the moment and I feel for Rahman, being thrown in a position he clearly can’t play

We also take too long to cross the ball taking too many touches along the way.

Fcuk me Zip everything you’ve said tonight I agree with.

We have Carroll get the fcuking ball in the box to him. And get it in quickly.

Otherwise don’t play him.

[URZZZZ]

We also take too long to cross the ball taking too many touches along the way.

Yep, a fair few times in the first half, Yiadom and Ince had time to pick out a cross yet try to play so intricately around the box. Must be extremely frustrating for Carroll and Meite. On the other side, you have a fullback who is afraid to attack the space. I’ve been really disappointed with how Ince has treated NGW. One bad performance and dropped like a stone, compared to others. You can tell he doesn’t trust the younger players in the squad

It’s worked well for a portion of the season but I’m not a fan of 5 at the back. Said it many times before, but it’s so dependent on having two decent reliable wingbacks. Hoilett was looking like one of those but he’s been dreadful for the last 6/7 games. Yiadom and Rahman are so far away from being the answer. Back to a more conventional 4 at the back I think

I havent ever been a fan of wingback because we haven't had the players who could play that role
Said many times over that Yids is a poor crosser and that hasn't changed.

Yep. Wingback is a tough role

You need to be aware defensively, able to contribute offensively, be able to take on a man as you’re often left with all the attacking responsibility on one side of the pitch and have the stamina to get up and down the pitch

It’s a really specialised position yet managers keep throwing fullbacks there and expecting them to so a job. Slight tangent but am convinced we could have beaten Huddersfield in the PO final if we’d stuck to our usual formation instead of using Gunter and Blackett in a 5

[Notts Royal]

Echo all of the comments about wing backs. They need to have a lot of energy & be able to cross. Neither Yiadom or Rahman can cross for toffee. Hoilett is a better crosser, but isn’t defensively minded enough or have the energy at his age.

And our centre backs aren’t strong enough to cover the gaps between them and the wing backs. I actually thought TMac was ok last night in general play, but their 2nd goal he should’ve showed Evans the line, and he just stands off the attacker too much.

The only real advantage of that formation is being able to play 2 strikers. But it’s not suiting any of them is it.

Revert to 4 at the back please

[Snowflake Royal]

Same thing every time isn’t it? Carroll should be a very good Championship forward (look how good he was against Norwich) but he needs decent, reliable crosses into the box and players around him to work from his knockdowns. Too often, we have neither. Meite plays on the back foot so it isn’t going to be a successful partnership. Same thing with Carroll and Joao. Same story of having decent strikers and not using them properly, Puscas, Baldock, Grabban, etc etc. It isn’t just a mere coincidence

If you’re not going to cross the ball into the box, you’re taking away Carroll’s main threat. I have no idea what Hoilett is meant to be at the moment and I feel for Rahman, being thrown in a position he clearly can’t play

We also take too long to cross the ball taking too many touches along the way.

Fcuk me Zip everything you’ve said tonight I agree with.

We have Carroll get the fcuking ball in the box to him. And get it in quickly.

Otherwise don’t play him.

This has been our problem for years. There's an early chance to cross and the strikers make a move. The player on the ball dithers, takes a touch, turns then maybe crosses (usually too long or at tge first man) by which time the strikers runs have finished, everyone is static and the defenders are set.

We never seem to try to pick a man even though we're taking our time to cross. We always seem to cross to the same areas, but they're areas the strikers don't take up positions.

[Snowflake Royal]

Same thing every time isn’t it? Carroll should be a very good Championship forward (look how good he was against Norwich) but he needs decent, reliable crosses into the box and players around him to work from his knockdowns. Too often, we have neither. Meite plays on the back foot so it isn’t going to be a successful partnership. Same thing with Carroll and Joao. Same story of having decent strikers and not using them properly, Puscas, Baldock, Grabban, etc etc. It isn’t just a mere coincidence

If you’re not going to cross the ball into the box, you’re taking away Carroll’s main threat. I have no idea what Hoilett is meant to be at the moment and I feel for Rahman, being thrown in a position he clearly can’t play

We also take too long to cross the ball taking too many touches along the way.

Fcuk me Zip everything you’ve said tonight I agree with.

We have Carroll get the fcuking ball in the box to him. And get it in quickly.

Otherwise don’t play him.

This has been our problem for years. There's an early chance to cross and the strikers make a move. The player on the ball dithers, takes a touch, turns then maybe crosses (usually too long or at tge first man) by which time the strikers runs have finished, everyone is static and the defenders are set.

We never seem to try to pick a man even though we're taking our time to cross. We always seem to cross to the same areas, but they're areas the strikers don't take up positions.

[bcubed]

We also take too long to cross the ball taking too many touches along the way.

Fcuk me Zip everything you’ve said tonight I agree with.

We have Carroll get the fcuking ball in the box to him. And get it in quickly.

Otherwise don’t play him.

This has been our problem for years. There's an early chance to cross and the strikers make a move. The player on the ball dithers, takes a touch, turns then maybe crosses (usually too long or at tge first man) by which time the strikers runs have finished, everyone is static and the defenders are set.

We never seem to try to pick a man even though we're taking our time to cross. We always seem to cross to the same areas, but they're areas the strikers don't take up positions.

Wouldn't disagree with this. We don't often look like a really positive side, get forward quickly and importantly make quick decisions.

But how come this characteristic gets passed on from one management team to another over the years?! Perhaps it all comes down to confidence and we haven't had much reason to be confident recently

[Ascotexgunner]

Also pointless starting Carroll who offers very little upfront.
Very disappointing.

Same thing every time isn’t it? Carroll should be a very good Championship forward (look how good he was against Norwich) but he needs decent, reliable crosses into the box and players around him to work from his knockdowns. Too often, we have neither. Meite plays on the back foot so it isn’t going to be a successful partnership. Same thing with Carroll and Joao. Same story of having decent strikers and not using them properly, Puscas, Baldock, Grabban, etc etc. It isn’t just a mere coincidence

If you’re not going to cross the ball into the box, you’re taking away Carroll’s main threat. I have no idea what Hoilett is meant to be at the moment and I feel for Rahman, being thrown in a position he clearly can’t play

We also take too long to cross the ball taking too many touches along the way.

Its so frustrating, they always seem to need an extra touch or have to look up. They should just know where to put the ball....and the forward should know where to run to.
And another thing, why do our players never take on defenders anymore? The put their foot on the ball and then look to pass it. Think about the great sides of the past and how the widemen looked to take people on. We have the perfect "big man" upfront and look utterly blunt.
You watch the bottom teams and none of them are as boring or as tentative going forward as us.
The fact a Wales reject who has done bugger all for a decade finished us off last night says all we need to know......that we are going to drop like a stone, and lose at Hull and you seriously have to wonder if Ince is the man to keep us up. Injury excuses or not, we are utterly shit going forward with the available resource.

[Hound]

NGW does seem the most suited to the WB role. In fact isn’t that where he has had his best performances?

Do think Baba is either coasting or just on crap form. NGW feels a much stronger option

Yiadom is a decent WB other than his crossing - get that’s a large part of the role but he does other things in that role well. Would like to see him back there and Hoilett on the bench

People would have been screaming on here had Ejaria made some of the basic errors Jeff H did last night. Feel if he is fit then he should be found a place in the side

[Snowflake Royal]

NGW does seem the most suited to the WB role. In fact isn’t that where he has had his best performances?

Do think Baba is either coasting or just on crap form. NGW feels a much stronger option

Yiadom is a decent WB other than his crossing - get that’s a large part of the role but he does other things in that role well. Would like to see him back there and Hoilett on the bench

People would have been screaming on here had Ejaria made some of the basic errors Jeff H did last night. Feel if he is fit then he should be found a place in the side

I was in the pub, so they wouldn’t.