by windermereROYAL » 06 Oct 2019 12:03
by krapmle » 06 Oct 2019 12:08
by Elm Park Kid » 06 Oct 2019 12:17
by Millsy » 06 Oct 2019 12:25
ZipHoundSnowflake Royal I've already said what I think is right.
He should have 5 games post Fulham to show some improvement. If he picks up a draw +1 game. If he picks up a win +2 games. If he loses the next 2 as well, might as well just call it early, because it'll be 1 point from 8 games, or 1 out of 24 points.
I didn't say it wasn't possible to stay up last season, I said I didn't think it would happen. There's a subtle difference. And once again, I never expected us to bring in 5 excellent loanees.
Gomes has had ample time (11 games) to see what he's doing wrong, and no sign of it changing. Why will that change over the next ten? What in his career suggests he can turn this around?
He's gone. It's just a matter of time and I'd rather it was sooner than later.
Considering the rest of your post and the one above it not sure why you’re even suggesting giving him 5 more games
Yep I’m struggling with what he is saying.
by Lower West » 06 Oct 2019 12:26
by WoodleyRoyal » 06 Oct 2019 12:36
by URZZZZ » 06 Oct 2019 13:00
ZipURZZZZ It's quite ironic that the people that say "Gomes needs more time!" are the exact same people that were calling for Stam and Clement to go after the exact same period (just before the second international break). Infact, we're doing even worse this season than at the same stage the last two and with the most money spent. Double standards and all that
We spent considerably more money under Stam than we have under Gomes or have you forgotten the January and summer transfer windows in 2017 that placed us in so much debt? I also can’t recall asking for Stam to go in October 2017. That’s a nonsense. I never thought Clement was up to it.
by Hound » 06 Oct 2019 13:04
by URZZZZ » 06 Oct 2019 13:14
by Snowflake Royal » 06 Oct 2019 13:19
HoundSnowflake RoyalZip Ian. So you think it right to sack Gomes in early October after just 11 games? He has to change the playing style. That’s a given. If he doesn’t learn that in the next couple of weeks he’s gone.
After doing a very good job at turning it around last season (something you thought was not possible) you want him sacked after his first poor run.
He should be given longer to turn it around. If we are bottom three in two months time then yep he should go but he needs the chance to get results in winnable games v Millwall and Luton to get this back on track. This is on the assumption that he has learnt from the self induced problems we are seeing every week.
I've already said what I think is right.
He should have 5 games post Fulham to show some improvement. If he picks up a draw +1 game. If he picks up a win +2 games. If he loses the next 2 as well, might as well just call it early, because it'll be 1 point from 8 games, or 1 out of 24 points.
I didn't say it wasn't possible to stay up last season, I said I didn't think it would happen. There's a subtle difference. And once again, I never expected us to bring in 5 excellent loanees.
Gomes has had ample time (11 games) to see what he's doing wrong, and no sign of it changing. Why will that change over the next ten? What in his career suggests he can turn this around?
He's gone. It's just a matter of time and I'd rather it was sooner than later.
Considering the rest of your post and the one above it not sure why you’re even suggesting giving him 5 more games
by CountryRoyal » 06 Oct 2019 13:20
ZipCountryRoyal My mindset is always once I believe a manager is done and there is no way they’ll turn it around, then what’s the point of delaying it? Get rid sharpish and try and give yourself as much time as possible to save the season. No point saying yeah he’s not the man but give him til Christmas.
I would give him a chance to show that he can adapt. He needs to go back to basics.
by Snowflake Royal » 06 Oct 2019 13:36
ZipHoundSnowflake Royal I've already said what I think is right.
He should have 5 games post Fulham to show some improvement. If he picks up a draw +1 game. If he picks up a win +2 games. If he loses the next 2 as well, might as well just call it early, because it'll be 1 point from 8 games, or 1 out of 24 points.
I didn't say it wasn't possible to stay up last season, I said I didn't think it would happen. There's a subtle difference. And once again, I never expected us to bring in 5 excellent loanees.
Gomes has had ample time (11 games) to see what he's doing wrong, and no sign of it changing. Why will that change over the next ten? What in his career suggests he can turn this around?
He's gone. It's just a matter of time and I'd rather it was sooner than later.
Considering the rest of your post and the one above it not sure why you’re even suggesting giving him 5 more games
Yep I’m struggling with what he is saying.
by Snowflake Royal » 06 Oct 2019 13:37
CountryRoyalZipCountryRoyal My mindset is always once I believe a manager is done and there is no way they’ll turn it around, then what’s the point of delaying it? Get rid sharpish and try and give yourself as much time as possible to save the season. No point saying yeah he’s not the man but give him til Christmas.
I would give him a chance to show that he can adapt. He needs to go back to basics.
Is that not what we’ve been doing since Charlton? Giving him chances?
Because we certainly haven’t been adapting.
by Zip » 06 Oct 2019 13:41
CountryRoyalZipCountryRoyal My mindset is always once I believe a manager is done and there is no way they’ll turn it around, then what’s the point of delaying it? Get rid sharpish and try and give yourself as much time as possible to save the season. No point saying yeah he’s not the man but give him til Christmas.
I would give him a chance to show that he can adapt. He needs to go back to basics.
Is that not what we’ve been doing since Charlton? Giving him chances?
Because we certainly haven’t been adapting.
by CountryRoyal » 06 Oct 2019 13:44
ZipCountryRoyalZip
I would give him a chance to show that he can adapt. He needs to go back to basics.
Is that not what we’ve been doing since Charlton? Giving him chances?
Because we certainly haven’t been adapting.
So should we sack a manager every time we go on a bad run? This is his first bad run of results having done well to keep us up.
by Zip » 06 Oct 2019 13:44
URZZZZZipURZZZZ It's quite ironic that the people that say "Gomes needs more time!" are the exact same people that were calling for Stam and Clement to go after the exact same period (just before the second international break). Infact, we're doing even worse this season than at the same stage the last two and with the most money spent. Double standards and all that
We spent considerably more money under Stam than we have under Gomes or have you forgotten the January and summer transfer windows in 2017 that placed us in so much debt? I also can’t recall asking for Stam to go in October 2017. That’s a nonsense. I never thought Clement was up to it.
Pretty sure we spent more this summer than two summers ago. And we're even worse now
There were plenty of calls for Stam to go very quickly into the next season. He, like Gomes, isn't learning from past mistakes and it's going to backfire
by Zip » 06 Oct 2019 13:47
CountryRoyalZipCountryRoyal
Is that not what we’ve been doing since Charlton? Giving him chances?
Because we certainly haven’t been adapting.
So should we sack a manager every time we go on a bad run? This is his first bad run of results having done well to keep us up.
No but my point being is he's had plenty of chances to even remotely show signs of adaption, and hasn't really.
by SCIAG » 06 Oct 2019 13:54
If you don't want us to keep sacking managers, but do want us to sack the manager after every run of bad results, then you want us to keep sacking managers.HoundSCIAG I think sacking the manager is both ineffective and not the sort of club I want us to be.
If we can get someone with a proven track record like Hughton or Hughes then that's one thing. But I suspect we'd just get another journeyman off the merry-go-round and be in the same position in 12 months. Stam was our chance to break the cycle but look what happened there.
Let's give someone a chance for once. Imagine if we'd sacked Coppell after that dreadful run in his second season?
That’s true of most clubs though. Doubt anyone wants to keep sacking managers - and personally was Stam in until it became untenable and likewise never called for Clarke, McD or Clement to go of the recent managers
With Gomes I just don’t think he’s the man. Terrible ppg now and I can’t see him turning it around. Nothing in his history suggests he will stay and evolve the club for the better
Obvs agree no point unless we’ve a proper experienced and solid manager lined up
by Snowflake Royal » 06 Oct 2019 13:54
ZipCountryRoyalZip
I would give him a chance to show that he can adapt. He needs to go back to basics.
Is that not what we’ve been doing since Charlton? Giving him chances?
Because we certainly haven’t been adapting.
So should we sack a manager every time we go on a bad run? This is his first bad run of results having done well to keep us up.
by Zip » 06 Oct 2019 14:07
Snowflake RoyalZipCountryRoyal
Is that not what we’ve been doing since Charlton? Giving him chances?
Because we certainly haven’t been adapting.
So should we sack a manager every time we go on a bad run? This is his first bad run of results having done well to keep us up.
Depends on how bad the run is, how good we were before it and what the causes of the bad run are.
There's no mitigation for Gomes. He's been able to bring in a lot of players. He's had 20 odd games the previous season. There's no injury crisis. The problem isn't individual player errors, or a particularly weak individual.
It's not his first poor run either is it. He won 1 of his first 8 games last season.
He won 1 of his last 7 games of last season.
His Reading win rate across 37 games is under 25%
Let's face it, he didn't actually do that well in keeping us up in what you'd want to carry over into the next season did he. Yeah, he did it and it was a hard job, but he still only won 6 out of 26 odd games. And he's currently way off that level of performance.
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