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Re: New signings

by Thaumagurist* » 23 Nov 2009 16:24

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Royalee Explain to me how signing a proven striker at this level for very little money is a bad use of resources.


How is £300K "very little money" :?:

BTW, was it a bit foolhardy to let Rosenior go and only rely on young Cummings? This led to Tabb filling in at right back. Having said that, Tabb does make me think of Mick Gooding.


It is very little money considering we sold £6.5 million's worth of striker in the summer. I didn't know your maths was that bad Spacey.

It was wrong to bring in Cummings, but you can at least see where he was coming from in that Rodgers worked with him at Chelsea, he got regular football last season where MK Dons had a reasonable season and was playing his football at West Brom. Looking at that and his background you'd have though he'd be a good player - even most on here were happy when the signing was made, you can't get them all right. Better than pissing away £2.5 million on Emerse Fae though.


We don't have millions to spend though, Royalee. £300K is still a big amount of money, I doubt that even you don't have that kind of money.

As for Cummings, I can understand the reasons for bringing him in, but we still have a lack of decent cover at that position. Maybe Kelly is considered to be the better right back?

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Re: New signings

by Schards#2 » 23 Nov 2009 17:14

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Schards#2 A lot of the criticism of Rodgers has been entirely valid and his poor use of our limited resources is reflected in the problems up front and the fact we have a left footed midfielder playing (albeit quite well) at right back.


Explain to me how purchasing a centre back who will feature for us for years to come is bad use of resources when we have Ingimarsson who is past it and O'Dea who is only on loan in addition to young Pearce. MILLS MAY OR MAY NOT BE A GOOD PLAYER FOR US IN YEARS TO COME BUT INVESTING 60%+ OF OUR ENTIRE BUDGET ON ONE YOUNG PLAYER WITH POTENTIAL WAS MADNESS WHEN WE HAD SUCH CLEAR SHORTCOMINGS ELSEWHERE. A HALF DECENT CENTRE HALF COULD BE GOT FOR A TENTH OF THAT PRICE AND WE HAD COVER IN CISSE ANYWAY. YOU DO NOT INVEST IN POTENTIAL WHEN YOU ARE IN THE MIRE IN THE HERE AND NOW

Explain to me how signing a proven striker at this level for very little money is a bad use of resources. HE'S A PLAYER WHO IS PAST HIS BEST. A GOOD SQUAD MEMBER BUT, GIVEN THE LACK OF QUALITY FORWARDS, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVESTING MORE OF THE BUDGET IN THIS AREA ON A BETTER PLAYER .

Explain to me how signing McAnuff given his performances is a bad use of resources. THUS FAR, HE'S BEEN A GOOD BUY

Explain to me how offloading one of the most overrated and overpaid players in the club's history in Harper and replacing him with someone slightly better in Howard on lower money is a bad use of resources. HOWARD IS NOT SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN HARPER WHO WAS A VIRTUAL EVER PRESENT FOR TWO YEARS IN THE PREMIERSHIP

Explain how blooding youngsters such as Pearce, Karacan, Sigurdsson, Church, Robson-Kanu and Davies who will be on next to nothing is poor use of resources. I'M REFERRING TO THE TRANSFER BUDGET BUT IT'S GOOD OF YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE RICHES IN YOUNG TALENT HE INHERITED FROM THE COPPELL ERA

Explain how loaning a centre back from Celtic who has played in the Champions League is poor use of resources. HE'S NOT PLAYING

You're a poor use of resources.YOU SEEM TO HAVE A MENTAL AGE AROUND 12-13


In addition, you seem to have neglected to mention Cummings who has the potential to be one of the worst players and worst signings in the history of the club.

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Re: New signings

by brendywendy » 23 Nov 2009 17:16

i like mills
and think hell be a fixture here for many seasons, but i cant help agre that spending 2 M on someone and not playing him mch is madness
though the lad was unlucky to miss out on our recent run due to injury, and therefore isnt being picked now, but not because of any lack of ability

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Re: New signings

by Royalee » 23 Nov 2009 18:18

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Schards#2 A lot of the criticism of Rodgers has been entirely valid and his poor use of our limited resources is reflected in the problems up front and the fact we have a left footed midfielder playing (albeit quite well) at right back.


Explain to me how purchasing a centre back who will feature for us for years to come is bad use of resources when we have Ingimarsson who is past it and O'Dea who is only on loan in addition to young Pearce. MILLS MAY OR MAY NOT BE A GOOD PLAYER FOR US IN YEARS TO COME BUT INVESTING 60%+ OF OUR ENTIRE BUDGET ON ONE YOUNG PLAYER WITH POTENTIAL WAS MADNESS WHEN WE HAD SUCH CLEAR SHORTCOMINGS ELSEWHERE. A HALF DECENT CENTRE HALF COULD BE GOT FOR A TENTH OF THAT PRICE AND WE HAD COVER IN CISSE ANYWAY. YOU DO NOT INVEST IN POTENTIAL WHEN YOU ARE IN THE MIRE IN THE HERE AND NOW

Explain to me how signing a proven striker at this level for very little money is a bad use of resources. HE'S A PLAYER WHO IS PAST HIS BEST. A GOOD SQUAD MEMBER BUT, GIVEN THE LACK OF QUALITY FORWARDS, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVESTING MORE OF THE BUDGET IN THIS AREA ON A BETTER PLAYER .

Explain to me how signing McAnuff given his performances is a bad use of resources. THUS FAR, HE'S BEEN A GOOD BUY

Explain to me how offloading one of the most overrated and overpaid players in the club's history in Harper and replacing him with someone slightly better in Howard on lower money is a bad use of resources. HOWARD IS NOT SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN HARPER WHO WAS A VIRTUAL EVER PRESENT FOR TWO YEARS IN THE PREMIERSHIP

Explain how blooding youngsters such as Pearce, Karacan, Sigurdsson, Church, Robson-Kanu and Davies who will be on next to nothing is poor use of resources. I'M REFERRING TO THE TRANSFER BUDGET BUT IT'S GOOD OF YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE RICHES IN YOUNG TALENT HE INHERITED FROM THE COPPELL ERA

Explain how loaning a centre back from Celtic who has played in the Champions League is poor use of resources. HE'S NOT PLAYING

You're a poor use of resources.YOU SEEM TO HAVE A MENTAL AGE AROUND 12-13


In addition, you seem to have neglected to mention Cummings who has the potential to be one of the worst players and worst signings in the history of the club.


Different players cost different amounts of money which you struggle to grasp. We needed a young centre back and a decent one was always going to cost money. What would you do if you were manager, get a calculator out and spend to the penny on each percentage? Football doesn't work like that I'm afraid. Mills is a good signing and our centre back issue was just as pressing as our striking problem at the beginning of the season before Noel Hunt got injured - what would happen if Pearce got crocked?

Quality forwards are hard to find as Coppell proved with Owusu, Morgan and Mooney. Rasiak's proven and we had Noel Hunt fit at the beginning of the season, so we had 4 strikers (6 with Bignall and Mooney, which would have been sensible given Rodgers' policy of trying out the squad). Rasiak was a good signing and Rodgers is still looking to bring in someone in this area - how is that bad use of resources?

Yes, McAnuff has been a good signing despite 'the air being blue' when you heard the news.

Howard's better than Harper - take it you haven't seen Sheffield United recently? He'll end up costing Blackwell his job, whereas Howard's been steady if unspectacular here.

Given that Rodgers brought in most of these academy players and Coppell had Jack Shit to do with them, I find your comments rather short-sighted. This is the one area of the club untouched by Coppell in recent years, and it certainly has shown.

O'Dea has made 8 appearances for us since he signed a month into the season and has only found himself out of the team since he picked up a knock, so I think you'll find he has played m8.

Cummings was a bad signing as I pointed out, but I could name an entire squad of shit players Coppell signed in his tenure here - you can't get them all right.

Tis you who has the low mental age and complete lack of knowledge.

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Re: New signings

by Schards#2 » 23 Nov 2009 19:19

Royalee Different players cost different amounts of money which you struggle to grasp. NO I DON'T

We needed a young centre back and a decent one was always going to cost money. WHY DID WE NEED A YOUNG CENTRE HALF? WE ALREADY HAD ONE IN PEARCE TO COMPLEMENT INGIMARSSON, CISSE AND THE CHEAPER ALTERNATIVE WE SHOULD HAVE SIGNED AS WELL AS ANY LOAN SINGINGS SUCH AS O'DEA

What would you do if you were manager, get a calculator out and spend to the penny on each percentage? NO

Football doesn't work like that I'm afraid. NO ONE'S SUGGESTED IT DOES

Mills is a good signing and our centre back issue was just as pressing as our striking problem at the beginning of the season before Noel Hunt got injured - what would happen if Pearce got crocked? THE CHEAPER ALTERNATIVE WOULD HAVE PLAYED. IN THE MEANTIME WE COULD HAVE INVESTED THE SAVED FUNDS ON A DECENT FORWARD

Quality forwards are hard to find as Coppell proved with Owusu, Morgan and Mooney. GOOD JOB HE BOUGHT DOYLE LITA AND KITSON TOO

Rasiak's proven and we had Noel Hunt fit at the beginning of the season, so we had 4 strikers (6 with Bignall and Mooney, which would have been sensible given Rodgers' policy of trying out the squad). Rasiak was a good signing and Rodgers is still looking to bring in someone in this area - how is that bad use of resources? BECAUSE THERE IS NOT ONE OF THOSE PLAYERS THAT'S GOING TO SCORE 15 IN A SEASON IN A STRUGGLING SIDE AND WE WILL CONTINUE STRUGGLE AS A RESULT

Yes, McAnuff has been a good signing despite 'the air being blue' when you heard the news. EH?

Howard's better than Harper - take it you haven't seen Sheffield United recently? He'll end up costing Blackwell his job, whereas Howard's been steady if unspectacular here. YOUR OPINION, NOT MINE

Given that Rodgers brought in most of these academy players and Coppell had Jack Shit to do with them, I find your comments rather short-sighted. This is the one area of the club untouched by Coppell in recent years, and it certainly has shown. YEP, I'M SURE COPPELL'S HAD NO INPUT TO OUR YOUTH/RESERVE SET UP WHATSOEVER :roll: AND WOULD NEVER CONSIDER PLAYING PEARCE OR KARACAN

O'Dea has made 8 appearances for us since he signed a month into the season and has only found himself out of the team since he picked up a knock, so I think you'll find he has played m8. HE'S A SMALL USE OF RESOURCE BUT HAS NOT PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT ROLE

Cummings was a bad signing as I pointed out, but I could name an entire squad of shit players Coppell signed in his tenure here - you can't get them all right. YOU CAN'T BUT SOME MANAGERS GET ENOUGH RIGHT TO SCORE 106 POINTS IN THIS DIVISION AND FINISH EIGHTH IN THE PREMIERSHIP. COPPELL WAS ONE SUCH MANAGER, I WILL BET EVERYTHING I OWN THAT RODGERS NEVER MATCHES THIS YET YOU REVERE RODGERS AND UNGRATEFULLY INSULT COPPELL AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY

Tis you who has the low mental age and complete lack of knowledge. AGREED, WHAT WAS I THINKING OF TYPING 'LOL' IN RESPONSE TO 20 ODD SUCCESSIVE POSTS? WHY DIDN'T I REALISE THIS WOULD MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A RETARD?

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Re: New signings

by Victor Meldrew » 23 Nov 2009 19:29

What worries me about Rasiak is that I read somewhere that he struggles to play more than one game per week.
Anybody know why ,because he is 30 not 50?

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Re: New signings

by Sun Tzu » 23 Nov 2009 19:29

I don't understand how anyone can try and say that Mills cost 60% of our transfer budget.

Is it a sloppy use of terms ?

Is it poor maths ?

Is it the standard HNA tactic of starting with a point and then making up facts to support it ?

60% of our summer spending might have gone on Mills.

We don;t know whay our budget was, but we know we were prepared to spend £1.8 million on Smith so the budget was a lot higher than what we actually spent.

It's also very previous to be damning players already. The much loved Murts was utterly useless for 2 seasons yet became a God. I know message boards are all about who can get the criticism in first but sometimes you'd hope people would just hold fire before deciding to issue their verdicts.

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by Sun Tzu » 23 Nov 2009 19:31

Victor Meldrew What worries me about Rasiak is that I read somewhere that he struggles to play more than one game per week.
Anybody know why ,because he is 30 not 50?


He plays badminton on Tuesdays and is doing Conversational Arabic at night school on a Wednesday so midweek games just aren;t very convenient for him.

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by Thaumagurist* » 23 Nov 2009 20:51

Sun Tzu I don't understand how anyone can try and say that Mills cost 60% of our transfer budget.

Is it a sloppy use of terms ?

Is it poor maths ?

Is it the standard HNA tactic of starting with a point and then making up facts to support it ?

60% of our summer spending might have gone on Mills.

We don;t know whay our budget was, but we know we were prepared to spend £1.8 million on Smith so the budget was a lot higher than what we actually spent.


I was about to query Schard#2's assertion on the 60%! Quite where he got that, I don't know. Reading haven't exactly been open about what their budget was.


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Re: New signings

by Victor Meldrew » 23 Nov 2009 20:53

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Victor Meldrew What worries me about Rasiak is that I read somewhere that he struggles to play more than one game per week.
Anybody know why ,because he is 30 not 50?


He plays badminton on Tuesdays and is doing Conversational Arabic at night school on a Wednesday so midweek games just aren;t very convenient for him.


Fair enough,especially if they are in his contract but I thought that Poles were meant to be hard workers in their main jobs. :wink:

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by ankeny » 23 Nov 2009 21:14

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Victor Meldrew What worries me about Rasiak is that I read somewhere that he struggles to play more than one game per week.
Anybody know why ,because he is 30 not 50?


He plays badminton on Tuesdays and is doing Conversational Arabic at night school on a Wednesday so midweek games just aren;t very convenient for him.


Fair enough,especially if they are in his contract but I thought that Poles were meant to be hard workers in their main jobs. :wink:

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Re: New signings

by facaldaqui » 23 Nov 2009 21:29

One thing that pleases me is that we've started to pick up points despite obvious flaws. During our bad run after January it wasn't clear to anyone what the problem was. Kitson and Little were brought in but it made no difference. This time we know we need a forward and a right back. I just hope Madejski grasps the nettle.

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by Royal Rother » 23 Nov 2009 22:04

Good to see that Rasiak has a better goalscoring record than Lita this season.

For that matter, so has Church.


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by Thaumagurist* » 23 Nov 2009 22:20

Royal Rother Good to see that Rasiak has a better goalscoring record than Lita this season.

For that matter, so has Church.


Rasiak, yes. Only by one. But not Church, they both have the same.

Your dislike of Lita is a bit ridiculous. He's left the club, get over it.

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by Rax » 23 Nov 2009 22:21

If there was a time Kitson SHOULD have come back - it was now - guess wages are/were a problem!

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Royal Rother Good to see that Rasiak has a better goalscoring record than Lita this season.

For that matter, so has Church.


Rasiak, yes. Only by one. But not Church, they both have the same.

Your dislike of Lita is a bit ridiculous. He's left the club, get over it.


Lita can rot in hell - personifies everything there is to hate about a professional footballer.

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by Thaumagurist* » 23 Nov 2009 22:26

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Royal Rother Good to see that Rasiak has a better goalscoring record than Lita this season.

For that matter, so has Church.


Rasiak, yes. Only by one. But not Church, they both have the same.

Your dislike of Lita is a bit ridiculous. He's left the club, get over it.


Lita can rot in hell - personifies everything there is to hate about a professional footballer.


Did he steal some candy from you?

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Royal Rother Good to see that Rasiak has a better goalscoring record than Lita this season.

For that matter, so has Church.


Rasiak, yes. Only by one. But not Church, they both have the same.

Your dislike of Lita is a bit ridiculous. He's left the club, get over it.


This from the man with more grudges than Paul Kersey.

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Re: New signings

by Royalee » 24 Nov 2009 01:04

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Royal Rother Good to see that Rasiak has a better goalscoring record than Lita this season.

For that matter, so has Church.


Rasiak, yes. Only by one. But not Church, they both have the same.

Your dislike of Lita is a bit ridiculous. He's left the club, get over it.


Lita can rot in hell - personifies everything there is to hate about a professional footballer.


Spot on.

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by Sun Tzu » 24 Nov 2009 09:05

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Royal Rother Good to see that Rasiak has a better goalscoring record than Lita this season.

For that matter, so has Church.


Rasiak, yes. Only by one. But not Church, they both have the same.



Church has a significantly better record this season than Lita.

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