Inability to convert corners?

[Snowball]

For some it's a deg
for others it's a ree

some very sophisticated people get a egr

[Wimb]

I have been saying for about 18 months that Shane won't get goals in a 4-5-1, that he is wasted with his back to goal, rarely uses his speed etc.

In another thread, I have just posted a sample of those statements. I said I thought he would be behind Church AND HENRY if we played 4-5-1.

We should note that it isn't just Long who is not scoring. Church is failing to score, aslo. The whole way we are set up denies the opposition as much space, keeps our goals-against down, but makes for less chances for the striker(s)


I still maintain that Long, IN A 4-4-2, preferably playing in the channels is capable, if playing the bulk of games in a full season, and starting, and playing most of the game (as Doyle did) will get 20 goals a season.


Right now, the manager thinks he's doing a good job, wearing down defenders.

IMO he is getting better in the "1" in a 4-5-1 (but IMO he's a shadow of himself in a 4-4-2) but I also think he's losing his hunger to take a pot at goal. As reported on radio at Preston, he seems to be thinking more about the defender and blocking him than attacking the ball to make a chance for himself.

Thanks for the reply and I'll just say I've answered it in the other thread

[Millsy]

Statisically, teams that score from corners get less than 3 points for a win.

[Hoop Blah]

So Snowball, how many attacking free kicks do your stats say we had today?

I counted them, and thought it was less than often for a home game because of the way the game went.

[Ian Royal]

So Snowball, how many attacking free kicks do your stats say we had today?

I counted them, and thought it was less than often for a home game because of the way the game went.

Forgot to count, but at a rough guess I'd go for about 6. How close am I? Higher or lower?

[Hoop Blah]

Higher or lower? Neither, it was 6. Two in the first half and four in the second. There were couple others that I thought we might've thrown it into the box too but we took them short instead.

[Snowball]

Higher or lower? Neither, it was 6. Two in the first half and four in the second. There were couple others that I thought we might've thrown it into the box too but we took them short instead.

5 I counted and I wrote them down with the time in minutes

Swansea 2

[Snowball]

There were a number of times where both Swansea and Reading had
free-kicks close enough to the penalty area that they could have
slung one in, but they didnt.

I counted 5 "attacking" frees for us

First minute, then 32nd (McAnuff shot tipped over), 51st minute, 75th and 88th.

There was another free-kick taken by Harte which came from the right
which skidded across the box just outside, not the slightest danger

and a cross from deep in our half (Harte) to Long's head on the edge of the box


Swansea had just 2 attacking frees all game

8th minute, wild cross way overhit

48th minute

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

...and how many of those were reported as attacking free kick on the OS report?

[Millsy]

Higher or lower? Neither, it was 6. Two in the first half and four in the second. There were couple others that I thought we might've thrown it into the box too but we took them short instead.

5 I counted and I wrote them down with the time in minutes

Swansea 2

Amateur.

I wrote them down using a stopwatch with milliseconds.

[Ian Royal]

Higher or lower? Neither, it was 6. Two in the first half and four in the second. There were couple others that I thought we might've thrown it into the box too but we took them short instead.

Who says you need to labouriously note down things as statistics to get something right. That recollection after watching a game for enjoyment really is shit isn't it.

So I'd suggest 5 as a minimum average per game seeing as Swansea were a pretty clean team content to pack the box with defenders. Not much danger needing a hack around their box, or getting caught on the break.

[Snowball]

Higher or lower? Neither, it was 6. Two in the first half and four in the second. There were couple others that I thought we might've thrown it into the box too but we took them short instead.

Who says you need to labouriously note down things as statistics to get something right. That recollection after watching a game for enjoyment really is shit isn't it.

So I'd suggest 5 as a minimum average per game seeing as Swansea were a pretty clean team content to pack the box with defenders. Not much danger needing a hack around their box, or getting caught on the break.

You suggest an average based on ONE game?

[Victor Meldrew]

Higher or lower? Neither, it was 6. Two in the first half and four in the second. There were couple others that I thought we might've thrown it into the box too but we took them short instead.

Who says you need to labouriously note down things as statistics to get something right. That recollection after watching a game for enjoyment really is shit isn't it.

So I'd suggest 5 as a minimum average per game seeing as Swansea were a pretty clean team content to pack the box with defenders. Not much danger needing a hack around their box, or getting caught on the break.

You suggest an average based on ONE game?

Sounds like one of your spins Snowball.

[Hoop Blah]

Snowball, how is a free kick taken on the right by our left back with the ball being played across the box (and I assume with Mills & Kishanishvili up as I counted 6) NOT an attacking free kick?

Irrespective of that 6th one, do you think your average of 1 per game looks a little unrealistic now? Or are we going to go the next 4 or 5 games without one attacking free kick?

[Snowball]

Snowball, how is a free kick taken on the right by our left back with the ball being played across the box (and I assume with Mills & Kishanishvili up as I counted 6) NOT an attacking free kick?

Irrespective of that 6th one, do you think your average of 1 per game looks a little unrealistic now? Or are we going to go the next 4 or 5 games without one attacking free kick?

It went across not INTO the box

[Ian Royal]

It's a oxf*rd load better than your average based on (shit) statistics. And no, it isn't based on one game... History doesn't reset itself at the start of the season.

Oh, and seeing as I believe we're using my definition of an attacking freekick iirc, who said it has to go into the box? Or would you like to rule out short corners and those played outside the box, from your corner stats?

[Hoop Blah]

But what was the intention? If it was just to restart play then why was Harte pulled all the way out of position to take it?

What do you know think of your statistical average and my estimate? You seem to have ignored that bit of my post...

[Snowball]

It's a oxf*rd load better than your average based on (shit) statistics. And no, it isn't based on one game... History doesn't reset itself at the start of the season.

Oh, and seeing as I believe we're using my definition of an attacking freekick iirc, who said it has to go into the box? Or would you like to rule out short corners and those played outside the box, from your corner stats?

You really are a moron. You have a SINGLE match in which TWO teams between them had 7 attacking free-kicks
and yet from that you work out that it's an average "OF AT LEAST 5" for Reading

And if it's not based on one game, sweetie-pie, please tell us where you got your other stats from.

So last season, your stats are, um, "I heard it on the radio."

[Snowball]

Oh, and seeing as I believe we're using my definition of an attacking freekick iirc, who said it has to go into the box?

Err, no, Palm-Man, I most definitely did NOT say I was using your definition of an attacking free-kick.

FOR ONE DEFINE "ATTACKING FREE-KICK."

I have defined it, partly in agreement with Ian Royal. (You see that word "partly", Palm-Man?)

A shot closer in than 40 yards (Palm-Man said) (I would say about 25 yards, typically)


YOU SEE, Palm-Man 25 does not equal 40, durz it? Not even on radio.

or a free-kick which puts the ball into the area. (Like a corner)

That does NOT include free-kicks, which, say, are banged out to Kebe
or McAnuff causing a secondary attack.

[Snowball]

But what was the intention? If it was just to restart play then why was Harte pulled all the way out of position to take it?

What do you know think of your statistical average and my estimate? You seem to have ignored that bit of my post...

I'm not interested in "intention" since "intention"
cannot always be known and is subjective opinion


I defined an attacking free-kick as either a deliberate shot at goal from 25 yards or less
or an attempt to give a player a goal-chance IN THE AREA, a deep cross, "like a corner"
or very occasionally a through ball.

Every time we had a FC that COULD be an attacking FC I put the time down
and IF there was a shot or a bull into the box, clearly looking for a header
then I marked that as an attacking free-kick. There were five like that.


MAYBE the Harte ball that didn't go into the box was "meant to"
but I cannot know that, you cannot know that, and the ball didn't
go into the box, so doesn't meet the definition I gave, and you didn't challenge.

Swansea also had a few FCs that they COULD HAVE put into the box, but chose not to