Rival Watch

[Sutekh]

Cardiff look to have big plans this season. I thought they were in danger of breaching FFP but obviously not.

To be fair, they might be and they might be throwing all their eggs in one basket over the next season or two for promotion. Parachute payments are coming to an end for them, a few outgoings for sure but they've still got a pretty big wage bill for where they are. Maybe not this season, but potentially in 12 months time we might be talking about it.

I completely forgot that they were only relegated in 2019 so are still receiving parachute payments.

No I don’t think they are still receiving parachute payments.

Cardiff were last promoted to the Premier League as runners up to Wolves in 2017/18. At the end of season 2018/19 they were relegated back to the Championship (with a Fulham and Huddersfield) which means they had just one season in the Premier League.

Because they lasted just the one season in the Premier League they only receive two years of parachute payments not three (a club has to complete at least two successive seasons in the PL to get the full three years of payments) therefore those payments should have been made in seasons 2019/20 and 2020/21 so can’t see how Cardiff are using parachute money unless they’ve been saving up!

The only clubs in the championship getting parachute payments next season will be:

1. Burnley (first payment of three)
2. Norwich (first payment of two)
3. Sheffield United (second payment of three)
4. Watford (first payment of two)
5. West Bromwich Albion (second payment of two)

Huddersfield had their last parachute payment in season 2021/22 and both Stoke and Swansea had theirs in 2020/21.

[blythspartan]

To be fair, they might be and they might be throwing all their eggs in one basket over the next season or two for promotion. Parachute payments are coming to an end for them, a few outgoings for sure but they've still got a pretty big wage bill for where they are. Maybe not this season, but potentially in 12 months time we might be talking about it.

I completely forgot that they were only relegated in 2019 so are still receiving parachute payments.

No I don’t think they are still receiving parachute payments.

Cardiff were last promoted to the Premier League as runners up to Wolves in 2017/18. At the end of season 2018/19 they were relegated back to the Championship (with a Fulham and Huddersfield) which means they had just one season in the Premier League.

Because they lasted just the one season in the Premier League they only receive two years of parachute payments not three (a club has to complete at least two successive seasons in the PL to get the full three years of payments) therefore those payments should have been made in seasons 2019/20 and 2020/21 so can’t see how Cardiff are using parachute money unless they’ve been saving up!

The only clubs in the championship getting parachute payments next season will be:

1. Burnley (first payment of three)
2. Norwich (first payment of two)
3. Sheffield United (second payment of three)
4. Watford (first payment of two)
5. West Bromwich Albion (second payment of two)

Huddersfield had their last parachute payment in season 2021/22 and both Stoke and Swansea had theirs in 2020/21.

Yes, you’re right about Cardiff maybe they have been very frugal or just plan to go for it like we did. It makes me wonder how many other clubs with wealthy owners might think sod it and take the gamble?

[Zip]

I reckon Bristol City will really struggle next season. I don’t think Cardiff are any great shakes but will have enough to avoid being dragged into a relegation battle.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

I completely forgot that they were only relegated in 2019 so are still receiving parachute payments.

No I don’t think they are still receiving parachute payments.

Cardiff were last promoted to the Premier League as runners up to Wolves in 2017/18. At the end of season 2018/19 they were relegated back to the Championship (with a Fulham and Huddersfield) which means they had just one season in the Premier League.

Because they lasted just the one season in the Premier League they only receive two years of parachute payments not three (a club has to complete at least two successive seasons in the PL to get the full three years of payments) therefore those payments should have been made in seasons 2019/20 and 2020/21 so can’t see how Cardiff are using parachute money unless they’ve been saving up!

The only clubs in the championship getting parachute payments next season will be:

1. Burnley (first payment of three)
2. Norwich (first payment of two)
3. Sheffield United (second payment of three)
4. Watford (first payment of two)
5. West Bromwich Albion (second payment of two)

Huddersfield had their last parachute payment in season 2021/22 and both Stoke and Swansea had theirs in 2020/21.

Yes, you’re right about Cardiff maybe they have been very frugal or just plan to go for it like we did. It makes me wonder how many other clubs with wealthy owners might think sod it and take the gamble?

I suppose a lot will depend on who you are and the shape of your squad. Us and Birmingham have overspent, had punishments including points deductions and survived. Only Sheffield Wednesday haven't. Excluding Derby from this as, even though similar, they went into administration so it's a more extreme case. Whereas, on the other end of the spectrum, clubs like Wolves, Villa and Bournemouth have blown their spending right out of the water and are in the promised land.

If you are set up well enough with a good squad of players, you'd probably go for it. We've survived thus far, Bristol City's CEO has also said they'd probably rather take the points deduction with the squad they have rather than sell their squad and potentially weaken as well.

[SouthDownsRoyal]

I think it will be very open next season at both ends of the table, impossible to call it at this stage. Well, other than Rotherham being bottom.

Agree, hugely open league next season

[YorkshireRoyal99]

I reckon Bristol City will really struggle next season. I don’t think Cardiff are any great shakes but will have enough to avoid being dragged into a relegation battle.

I think Huddersfield will struggle next season as well. Likely to lose a couple of players, particularly O'Brien, and have lost their parachute payments. Not sure if they will go down, but may end up being there or thereabouts unless they can overperform again.

Cardiff have brought in a few players from the lower leagues into a squad that has been questioned with a high wage bill and with parachute payments running out. May very much find themselves in a similar position next season, particularly if some of their newer signings aren't cut out for this level. Still plenty of time to go yet though in the window.

BC seem to have bought smartly thus far in the free agent market, but lose the likes of Weimann and Martin as well as a couple of impressive youngsters like Massengo, Scott and/or Semenyo and they'd be my favourites to go down along with Rotherham.

[Snowflake Royal]

I reckon Bristol City will really struggle next season. I don’t think Cardiff are any great shakes but will have enough to avoid being dragged into a relegation battle.

Get predicting then coward

[Zip]

I reckon Bristol City will really struggle next season. I don’t think Cardiff are any great shakes but will have enough to avoid being dragged into a relegation battle.

Get predicting then coward

Patience is a virtue master Royal

[Snowflake Royal]

I reckon Bristol City will really struggle next season. I don’t think Cardiff are any great shakes but will have enough to avoid being dragged into a relegation battle.

Get predicting then coward

Patience is a virtue master Royal

Not one of mine

[Zip]

Get predicting then coward

Patience is a virtue master Royal

Not one of mine

Good things come to those who wait master Royal

[blythspartan]

I know they’re no longer rivals but it looks like the Derby takeover has collapsed. Love or hate them I really feel for their fans.

[windermereROYAL]

Fukking hell, that could be the end for them.

[Mr Angry]

No doubt Mike Ashley will step in at the last minute to buy WRDCFC at a knock down price.........he is such a cheapskate he would probably wear his old Newcastle scarf to games as the colours are the same as Derby's!

[tidus_mi2]

For Mike Ashley to come in I'm sure the club would have to be liquidated first, no way is he paying off their debts or buying the stadium. Would imagine he'll look to lead a phoenix club back on their revival and will probably get them back to this level pretty quickly, at least League One but would probably have to ground share.

[NathStPaul]

Are Derby currently in a better or worse situation than Bolton were? They have done pretty well to get back on track. Would imagine Derby will be saved but I think the next few years will be very hard for them.

[tidus_mi2]

Are Derby currently in a better or worse situation than Bolton were? They have done pretty well to get back on track. Would imagine Derby will be saved but I think the next few years will be very hard for them.

Oh definitely worse, I don't think Bolton were at risk of liquidation.

[paultheroyal]

All sorts of ramifications are going on with Derby.

Alternative fixture lists are being proposed which involves promotion an additional team from League 2, keeping Gillingham in League 1 and promoting Solihull Moors from the National League.

Derby County = utter mess.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Are Derby currently in a better or worse situation than Bolton were? They have done pretty well to get back on track. Would imagine Derby will be saved but I think the next few years will be very hard for them.

Oh definitely worse, I don't think Bolton were at risk of liquidation.

Could be wrong, but was it not a race against time for both Bolton and Bury? Bolton managed to get their deal over the line before a deadline whereas Bury didn't? It may have been media blow up, but I'm sure the BBC did something similar to a deadline day piece on both of them before the season started 2/3 years ago now.

[NathStPaul]

Are Derby currently in a better or worse situation than Bolton were? They have done pretty well to get back on track. Would imagine Derby will be saved but I think the next few years will be very hard for them.

Oh definitely worse, I don't think Bolton were at risk of liquidation.

Could be wrong, but was it not a race against time for both Bolton and Bury? Bolton managed to get their deal over the line before a deadline whereas Bury didn't? It may have been media blow up, but I'm sure the BBC did something similar to a deadline day piece on both of them before the season started 2/3 years ago now.

I thought Bolton had a reprieve last minute too, didn't they manage to sell their stadium very late on in the procedings that saved their bacon?

[tidus_mi2]

All sorts of ramifications are going on with Derby.

Alternative fixture lists are being proposed which involves promotion an additional team from League 2, keeping Gillingham in League 1 and promoting Solihull Moors from the National League.

Derby County = utter mess.

Isn't it easier to reprieve a team from relegation than promote another team? Say Derby go bust, that leaves a space in League One so Gillingham are reprieved from relegation which leaves a space in League Two so Oldham are reprieved from relegation. That would cover the EFL, after which I think a division would end up just playing with one less team in the non-leagues unless Derby can start a phoenix club in time for the new season.