Seol

[Coppell's Right Footed 11]

CRF11

Ok, so I may not be the most supportive but I am pretty loyal.

How many of the plastics going to Arsenal were at Boro' on saturday? Or at Chesterfield, Bradford, Wycombe, Notts County or Torquay (yes I have been to Plainmoor).

I am entitled to my opinion and if you'd care to talk to me rather than slating me with what are quite mindless insults, I may share them with you.

Until you have the grace to apologise for the tirade of abuse you saw fit to throw at me, I shall not get into a greater debate on this matter.

Just remember we are all on the same side at the end of the day.

I will apologise for the insults yes, otherwise i stand by everything i said to be honest. You slate literally everyone at home games and don't support them when they have done something right. Why nod your head at Bikey second half when he was brilliant?. He wasn't great first half but why not give him some encouragment! i lost it with you as you shouted at Bikey when actually he turned Saha and played a pass. I wasn't at the riverside i admit that but i have been a season ticket holder the past 15 years and can't afford to go to every away match, but as you can see i give everything to try and lift the boys on a matchday.

I understand everyone pays money to watch us but this is our first season in the premiership. You can't expect everything to run smoothly and for christ sakes we are 6th? have drawn away at Chelsea, drawn with United twice what more do you want from our side to make you happy?

[Huntley & Palmer]

looked so classy when he first came to the club at the start of the season but has just lost confidence and glen little is far too good for him.

that sums it up well, Seol has not suddenly turned in to a bad player, he is class, just not on form, and will struggle to with little playing so well

The same thing happened at Wolves, he has a great start but then after numerous lazy displays the fans turn against him and he loses confidence.

I can guarantee that if Soel put the same effort in on the pitch as the rest of the players, then this thread would never of started because he is techinically a good player.

If he put the same effort in as the rest of our players, he'd be one of the best players at the club easily, which is so frustrating. I wouldn't mind so much if he was technically useless and was trying his heart out, but he's got stacks and stacks of ability and wastes it, which I have trouble accepting.

So you excuse for booin him is what?

To show him what I think of him wasting his talent to maybe give him the kick up the backside he needs.

So you honestly think that booing him works? Why not just refuse to pay to watch us when he is in the squad? Surely your strike will have the same effect.

[jumpers for goalposts]

Doesn't this whole debate come down to what sort of fan you are? There are many fans, including the blokes that sit in front of me, that are what I will call RFC drones. They are essentially a cloned man, who will shout expletives at the linesman and referee whenever a descision goes against us e.g their 3rd goal when Solskjaer was clearly on side. They basically can't think for themselves, and make every descision through some kind of 'loyalty' to the club. Therefore they can't bring themselves to criticise Seol.

I consider myself in another group. I love the club, but am willing to accept that sometimes our players do go down a bit to easily, and opposition goals were onside. I rarely shout expletives at the officials. I like to think that I can think for myself, and will criticise a player of ours if I think he isn't performing. It's all very well saying we most not criticise our own, but that whole philosophy is ridiculous. Do you also believe that West Ham fans for example, should not criticise their players, even though they are playing shite, out of some kind of misguided 'loyalty' to the club?

[SpaceCruiser]

Doesn't this whole debate come down to what sort of fan you are? There are many fans, including the blokes that sit in front of me, that are what I will call RFC drones. They are essentially a cloned man, who will shout expletives at the linesman and referee whenever a descision goes against us e.g their 3rd goal when Solskjaer was clearly on side. They basically can't think for themselves, and make every descision through some kind of 'loyalty' to the club. Therefore they can't bring themselves to criticise Seol.

I consider myself in another group. I love the club, but am willing to accept that sometimes our players do go down a bit to easily, and opposition goals were onside. I rarely shout expletives at the officials. I like to think that I can think for myself, and will criticise a player of ours if I think he isn't performing. It's all very well saying we most not criticise our own, but that whole philosophy is ridiculous. Do you also believe that West Ham fans for example, should not criticise their players, even though they are playing shite, out of some kind of misguided 'loyalty' to the club?

You sound like a Royal Rother clone.

[Top Flight]

Shouting expletives at a player should motivate the player to want to prove everyone wrong and put in a good performance.

Shouting abuse at a player is one motivational technique in the whole array of motivational tools that fans have and use to get a performance out of a player.

Other tools that fans have at their disposal include encouragement and singing a players name.

Now if Seol hasn't responded to earlier motivational techniques coming from the East Stand which were based on encouragement and supporting him, then I believe the fans have the right as Owners of the club to use alternative methods to try and motivate a player to give a performance.

Seol hasn't yet given a performance when he has been encouraged to do well. Now is the time to use the abuse and expletives tools to try and motivate him to wanna prove everyone wrong and shove a damn good performance up our ars*s.......

If Seol still doesn't work hard for the team then maybe its time he went!

There is nothing wrong with shouting at a player to get a performance out of them. It happened all the time at Elm Park. Under Quinny & Goodings reign we had an excellent home record but a rubbish away record. Home fans on the terraces wouldn't accept a poor performance from anybody. Meaker used to cop loads of abuse.

Gilkes would be abused one minute and then would be flying down the wing the next minute and his name would be reverberating around the South Bank.

[rfcjoe]

seol ignored coppell aswell when he was substituted PRICK!!! (seol by the way)

[rfcjoe]

He's low on confidence and who can blame him. He was an integral part of the team in the first part of the season, scored and created some excellent goals against Sheff U, West Ham and Charlton. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be a player that can take being dropped well, his head drops and his commitment has wavered. I'm not stupid enough to demand he never plays for this team again, or to go to the even more stupid lengths of booing him. I think he just struggles to come to terms with how the philosophy of this the team ethic works for 90 minutes.

Funny how none of the other 'reserves' on show were low enough on confidence not to put any effort in.

He started our first ten games in front of Little you cock

little was injured though so im not suprised

[Royalee]

looked so classy when he first came to the club at the start of the season but has just lost confidence and glen little is far too good for him.

that sums it up well, Seol has not suddenly turned in to a bad player, he is class, just not on form, and will struggle to with little playing so well

The same thing happened at Wolves, he has a great start but then after numerous lazy displays the fans turn against him and he loses confidence.

I can guarantee that if Soel put the same effort in on the pitch as the rest of the players, then this thread would never of started because he is techinically a good player.

If he put the same effort in as the rest of our players, he'd be one of the best players at the club easily, which is so frustrating. I wouldn't mind so much if he was technically useless and was trying his heart out, but he's got stacks and stacks of ability and wastes it, which I have trouble accepting.

So you excuse for booin him is what?

To show him what I think of him wasting his talent to maybe give him the kick up the backside he needs.

So you honestly think that booing him works? Why not just refuse to pay to watch us when he is in the squad? Surely your strike will have the same effect.

Why? The rest of the team do the club proud week in, week out, are a pleasure to watch and deserve my support.

[Only one Trevor Morley]

Shouting expletives at a player should motivate the player to want to prove everyone wrong and put in a good performance.

Shouting abuse at a player is one motivational technique in the whole array of motivational tools that fans have and use to get a performance out of a player.

Other tools that fans have at their disposal include encouragement and singing a players name.

Now if Seol hasn't responded to earlier motivational techniques coming from the East Stand which were based on encouragement and supporting him, then I believe the fans have the right as Owners of the club to use alternative methods to try and motivate a player to give a performance.

Seol hasn't yet given a performance when he has been encouraged to do well. Now is the time to use the abuse and expletives tools to try and motivate him to wanna prove everyone wrong and shove a damn good performance up our ars*s.......

If Seol still doesn't work hard for the team then maybe its time he went!

There is nothing wrong with shouting at a player to get a performance out of them. It happened all the time at Elm Park. Under Quinny & Goodings reign we had an excellent home record but a rubbish away record. Home fans on the terraces wouldn't accept a poor performance from anybody. Meaker used to cop loads of abuse.

Gilkes would be abused one minute and then would be flying down the wing the next minute and his name would be reverberating around the South Bank.

Since when did we own the club??!! If Madjeski sells are you going to say hold on Mr M I dont think we should.........

If our record under Quinn and Gooding is being used as an example of how booing can work thens words fail me - the side got worse as did the booing. And did Meaker suddenly put in better performances when he copped some abuse. No he got less confident.....

What a lousy argument - despite the time taken over it!

Our manager doesnt use these techniques to get a reaction from his players and given he has become our most successful manager ever I'd rather follow his example than some thick supporter who thinks that the stick approach works despite all the evidence being to the contrary........

[readingbedding]

Booing your own players is the lowest of the low.

You cannot call yourself a true fan of the game - let alone the club you support.

[Only one Trevor Morley]

looked so classy when he first came to the club at the start of the season but has just lost confidence and glen little is far too good for him.

that sums it up well, Seol has not suddenly turned in to a bad player, he is class, just not on form, and will struggle to with little playing so well

The same thing happened at Wolves, he has a great start but then after numerous lazy displays the fans turn against him and he loses confidence.

I can guarantee that if Soel put the same effort in on the pitch as the rest of the players, then this thread would never of started because he is techinically a good player.

If he put the same effort in as the rest of our players, he'd be one of the best players at the club easily, which is so frustrating. I wouldn't mind so much if he was technically useless and was trying his heart out, but he's got stacks and stacks of ability and wastes it, which I have trouble accepting.

So you excuse for booin him is what?

To show him what I think of him wasting his talent to maybe give him the kick up the backside he needs.

So you honestly think that booing him works? Why not just refuse to pay to watch us when he is in the squad? Surely your strike will have the same effect.

Why? The rest of the team do the club proud week in, week out, are a pleasure to watch and deserve my support.

Because I'd rather you werent there being a so called supporter if you're going to boo players. Coppell doesnt agree with it and he is our most successful manager. Why should a world cup player have to put up with some brainless idiot booing him just because he pays his entrance fee. Booing only works in your tiny mind because it so simplistic.

[SpaceCruiser]

Which do you think a player would prefer to hear in terms of motivation:

1) F*cking hell, come on, you can do better!
2) Booooooooo, you're crap!

[Archie's penalty]

Booing your own players is the lowest of the low.

You cannot call yourself a true fan of the game - let alone the club you support.

I agree RB. Top Flight was saying it was a motivational technique - what so like telling your child he did crap at school is ever gonna make him do better.

Yes be critical of him and voice it - but don't boo. Booing the team if they have legitimately not put in enough effort is acceptable but singling out a player is not the way to do it...

[Top Flight]

If I was a player and I heard the fans shouting at me and telling me I'm crap, I would be embarrassed that it got to that point and I would raise my game to try and prove them wrong!

Different people react differently to abuse.

Fact is, Seol didn't try when he was being encouraged and supported.

So what else do the fans have?????

If he aint gonna respond to encouragement then lets try booing him and see if he responds to that!

If he aint gonna bother working hard either way, then he may as well go and be replaced!

Don't worry about Coppell, he is ruthless enough. He won't shout and abuse the player but if he carries on underperforming. He will certainly be wielding his axe.

[SpaceCruiser]

lets try booing him and see if he responds to that!

On your own.

It could have a negative effect - make him more discouraged and play worse. In the end he might decide he'd rather be at another club where he could do the business and return to haunt us one day.

[Top Flight]

Booing your own players is the lowest of the low.

You cannot call yourself a true fan of the game - let alone the club you support.

RB, I didn't boo Seol on Tuesday night because that is just not the kind of person that I am. I couldn't bring myself to abuse a player in such a way. I would personally use methods of support and encouragement.

However, I defend the fans who did boo Seol. They had every right to. They pay their money to watch the side and Seol couldn't be ar*sed. That is a huge insult to the fans when a player who is on thousands a week, when the fans are paying £30 a ticket, cannot be ars*ed to bother performing!

And players do respond to harsh critisicm from the fans. They might go away afterwards and cry about it for a few days, and then other players might put their arm around and say, the fans are nobs but if you want the fans to be behind you your gonna have to work harder.

At the end of the day, fans are not stoopid. Fans can accept a player who doesn't have ability...... But they will not accept a player who doesn't try hard.

If a player fights for everything but is still rubbish, the fans will still back them. The only player who has ever been the exception to that rule was Andy Hughes. I could never understand the booing of Andy Hughes. That was completely out of order because the lad gave everything for the Royals. He played to the best of his ability.

Seol on the other hand isn't trying hard enough. That is completely unacceptable.

[readingbedding]

Booing your own players is the lowest of the low.

You cannot call yourself a true fan of the game - let alone the club you support.

I agree RB. Top Flight was saying it was a motivational technique - what so like telling your child he did crap at school is ever gonna make him do better.

Yes be critical of him and voice it - but don't boo. Booing the team if they have legitimately not put in enough effort is acceptable but singling out a player is not the way to do it...

Booing your own player when he trudges of the field as he's subbed is totally low and achieves nothing, I'll never understand why 'fans' do it.

Booing your own players is the preserve of kids and also people who should know better.
Thick as pig shite to boo your own player, I know no-one personally who has ever done it, and we have had some real gash performances in the past. But I did tell one bloke behind me to 'get a life' when he booed Seol off the pitch, and I'll do it again.

Of course, as you pay your hard-earned (or daddy's hard-earned) cash for the privildge, some 'fans' feel entitled to boo.

But that is very dense indeed.

[Royalee]

Spot on jumpers for goalposts and Top Flight, at least there are some intelligent posters on here.

[Archie's penalty]

Booing your own players is the lowest of the low.

You cannot call yourself a true fan of the game - let alone the club you support.

At the end of the day, fans are not stoopid.

Whereas you obviously are

[Only one Trevor Morley]

If I was a player and I heard the fans shouting at me and telling me I'm crap, I would be embarrassed that it got to that point and I would raise my game to try and prove them wrong!

Different people react differently to abuse.

Fact is, Seol didn't try when he was being encouraged and supported.

So what else do the fans have?????

If he aint gonna respond to encouragement then lets try booing him and see if he responds to that!

If he aint gonna bother working hard either way, then he may as well go and be replaced!

Don't worry about Coppell, he is ruthless enough. He won't shout and abuse the player but if he carries on underperforming. He will certainly be wielding his axe.

Alas you've fallen into the trap of assuming that a player who is very skilful is automatically 'not trying' if he has a period out of form. Surely its not too difficult to think that skilful players can lose their form sporadically and that it isnt down to lack of effort - its just that there form goes for a while. Have you ever tried as hard as you can but still not play very well - I know I have many times! . In the end the dream of every player is to play in the Premiership - every player will try - its just that some will not be in form.

I just wish you would take Coppels example and not shout and bawl.