Williams on his way back to Scunny

[brendywendy]

^^^this



& the ridicka criticism must have had some sort of efffect on his confidence.
people on here need to learn the lessons of shlong et al.
one or two, or even ten games is way too soon to be writing a player off, especially younguns

[Terminal Boardom]

Williams goes back to Scunny on loan to get games under his belt. Nearly everyone comments on what a shit signing he is. Morrison goes to Huddy on loan to get games under his belt. Nearly everyone comments on what a good move this is. Thankfully, BMcD is the man in charge and I would rather have him in charge of team selection than the vast majority of mongtards on this forum.

[brendywendy]

^^^^mongtards are a malignant melanoma on the club and board that i love

[Woodcote Royal]

I agree that we have far too many twats who can't wait to slag off players who only need time to establish themselves and gain some confidence but there have been many opportunities for McD to give this guy another chance since he was dropped and he appears to have ducked them all.

Sometimes things just don't work out and right now this looks like one of them.......................but none of us know for sure.

[Terminal Boardom]

Just how many players move clubs and become instant successes? Torres has hardly pulled up any trees since moving to chelski has he. Going back to the Liverpool side of the 70s and early 80s any new signings generally spent 12-18 months learning football the Liverpool way so when their chance came they were fully integrated into the philosophy.

To simply state that this player or that player is shit is as laughable as it is peurile. I have no problem with anyone who does not like a particular player. I for one have struggled to understand what Howard brings to the side. We have all been spoilt by the class of 2005/06 and, added to the frenzy and demand that is Sky, too many of us expect instant gratification and satisfaction. Well, if it is instant gratification and satisfaction that you crave, I suggest visiting one of the many knocking shops in the area.

[Woodcote Royal]

I'm not saying he's sh*t; I've never even seen him play live! But we are down to the bare bones at left back yet Brian won't even put him on the bench.

Gaining 3pts at Barnsley was always far more important than any potential loan deal unless, of course, the player concerned was considered to be of little benefit in that cause even with most of our first choices back home on the treatment table.

[andrew1957]

All we know about Williams is that Brian cleary does not think he is ready yet.

Even Brian can be wrong though. Last Summer he told Cummings to look for another club and did not even take him on tour. Now the lad is well thought of.

All the time a player is at Reading I will give him the benefit of the doubt. However, I do suspect that unless Williams is happy sitting for two more years in the reserves - that this summer will be make or break for his time at Reading so the loan can only be a good thing for all parties as far as I can see.

[Woodcote Royal]

Agreed

[facaldaqui]

Just how many players move clubs and become instant successes? Torres has hardly pulled up any trees since moving to chelski has he. Going back to the Liverpool side of the 70s and early 80s any new signings generally spent 12-18 months learning football the Liverpool way so when their chance came they were fully integrated into the philosophy.

To simply state that this player or that player is shit is as laughable as it is peurile. I have no problem with anyone who does not like a particular player. I for one have struggled to understand what Howard brings to the side. We have all been spoilt by the class of 2005/06 and, added to the frenzy and demand that is Sky, too many of us expect instant gratification and satisfaction. Well, if it is instant gratification and satisfaction that you crave, I suggest visiting one of the many knocking shops in the area.

No thanks, I prefer masochism.

[facaldaqui]

Not convinced we've seen the last of him in a Reading shirt. McDermott gives people chances, so this would be a remarkable turn around if with less than one season he has lost complete faith in Williams' ability.

Harte may or may not do another season at this level and Chris Armstrong has retired, so we already need one more left back as it is.

I never understood why we didn't offer Dan Harding a contract in the summer. He did alright for us, certainly a lot better than Williams. Perhaps our scouts saw a lot more in Williams than we were getting from Harding, that or Williams was a total gamble, which is unlike us.

There was a year between Harding leaving, who I agree was decent, and Williams coming, though.

[Ian Royal]

I agree that we have far too many twats who can't wait to slag off players who only need time to establish themselves and gain some confidence but there have been many opportunities for McD to give this guy another chance since he was dropped and he appears to have ducked them all.

Sometimes things just don't work out and right now this looks like one of them.......................but none of us know for sure.

What many opportunities? - Harte has played more than 30 games this season... since he's signed we've had about two or three games in which to play Williams. So he hasn't featured much on the bench... All that tells us is that Armstrong (former POTS) was ahead of him as is Cummings, who has performed well this season and filled in at left back when needed.

[West Stand Man]

Not convinced we've seen the last of him in a Reading shirt. McDermott gives people chances, so this would be a remarkable turn around if with less than one season he has lost complete faith in Williams' ability.

Harte may or may not do another season at this level and Chris Armstrong has retired, so we already need one more left back as it is.

I never understood why we didn't offer Dan Harding a contract in the summer. He did alright for us, certainly a lot better than Williams. Perhaps our scouts saw a lot more in Williams than we were getting from Harding, that or Williams was a total gamble, which is unlike us.

There was a year between Harding leaving, who I agree was decent, and Williams coming, though.

Don't let facts cloud a good argument!

[Woodcote Royal]

I agree that we have far too many twats who can't wait to slag off players who only need time to establish themselves and gain some confidence but there have been many opportunities for McD to give this guy another chance since he was dropped and he appears to have ducked them all.

Sometimes things just don't work out and right now this looks like one of them.......................but none of us know for sure.

What many opportunities? - Harte has played more than 30 games this season... since he's signed we've had about two or three games in which to play Williams. So he hasn't featured much on the bench... All that tells us is that Armstrong (former POTS) was ahead of him as is Cummings, who has performed well this season and filled in at left back when needed.

All of which just confirms where the player is deemed to be in the currently pecking order.

You're the one who was banging on about specialists recently.

Armstrong hasn't featured for months and has now gone. Right footed Cumming's isn't fit and neither is right footed Griffin but that didn't stop him getting on the bench ahead of Williams.

When Snowball's love child, Ian Harte, was dropped recently, did McD turn to his last remaining "specialist" or, did he prefer to use another right back?

As I've already stated, I've yet to see Williams on the pitch to form a personal opinion but surely it's not rocket science to suggest that our manager has gone out of his way to keep the player away from our match day squad including filling it at Barnsley with a lot of kids many of whom most of us have never seen or possibly even heard of.

[floyd__streete]

& the ridicka criticism must have had some sort of efffect on his confidence.

You soppy sod Brendy . If he plays like a complete clown he's going to get stick. You'd be happier if RFC fans were a load of middle-class, simpering, happy-clappy.....oh, hold on

[brendywendy]

& the ridicka criticism must have had some sort of efffect on his confidence.

You soppy sod Brendy . If he plays like a complete clown he's going to get stick. You'd be happier if RFC fans were a load of middle-class, simpering, happy-clappy.....oh, hold on

except complete clown is rubbish- he had a couple o' shaky games when stepping up to a new club.
thank you for perfectly demonstrating my point.

[brendywendy]

& the ridicka criticism must have had some sort of efffect on his confidence.

You soppy sod Brendy . If he plays like a complete clown he's going to get stick. You'd be happier if RFC fans were a load of middle-class, simpering, happy-clappy.....oh, hold on

im all for singing, and our own special brand of synchronised clapping for getting teh atmosphere going, and think women and children with picnic blankets should be banned.
but vocally slagging your own players during a match is for morons.

[floyd__streete]

except complete clown is rubbish- he had a couple o' shaky games when stepping up to a new club.
thank you for perfectly demonstrating my point.

He was so goddamn awful we immediately signed a replacement in Harte. Then when Harte was injured/dropped we played Griffin out of position rather than consider Williams for selection.

[brendywendy]

except complete clown is rubbish- he had a couple o' shaky games when stepping up to a new club.
thank you for perfectly demonstrating my point.

He was so goddamn awful we immediately signed a replacement in Harte. Then when Harte was injured/dropped we played Griffin out of position rather than consider Williams for selection.

maybe he was replaced because his confidence took such a battering from hearing big meanies like you shouting at him telling him he was shit.

we'll just never know

[floyd__streete]

maybe he was replaced because his confidence took such a battering from hearing big meanies like you shouting at him telling him he was shit.

Oh pass the hankie, I am sure several grand a week for being crap at your job helps soften the enormous psychological blow.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Who knows what's behind it all - perhaps he's just not settled in the area or has family problems etc.

Again, I'll state for the Football Manager Generation - these are really people with real personalities who are affected by outside factors like any of us - not just icons on a screen.