Confimred - Chem Campbell

[Snowflake Royal]

Happy enough with this. Seems a Selles signing - my guess is he’s a hard working pressing winger rather than a fancy Dan type. Basically another Knibbs type who should give us a bit of depth and another option up top

Very decent goal return for a young winger, 5 in 29.

[Sutekh]

Steve Brown, punditing for Charlton now, said on the radio earlier that Campbell is a bit lightweight and while having his moments on loan for Charlton last season, he is probably currently more suited to coming off the bench to make something happen. So another Paul Mukairu then, but hopefully with something more about him.

[Clyde1998]

Steve Brown, punditing for Charlton now, said on the radio earlier that Campbell is a bit lightweight and while having his moments on loan for Charlton last season, he is probably currently more suited to coming off the bench to make something happen. So another Paul Mukairu then, but hopefully with something more about him.

I had a look earlier, but he's had around the same amount of minutes as Ehibhatiomhan in his senior career (and that's skewed towards the EFL Trophy).

So it's not overly surprising he's maybe not fully ready yet, but he should develop throughout his loan spell and he'll almost certainly get game time with the size of our squad.

[Sutekh]

https://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/spor ... on-winger/

Seems Reading started calling lawyers over getting this transfer done....

[Clyde1998]

https://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/spor ... lves-star/

Reading FC 'in talks' over extending loan for Wolves star
Reading manager Noel Hunt has confirmed that the club are in talks with Wolverhampton Wanderers loanee Chem Campbell over the possibility of extending his loan deal.

The 21-year-old, who has made eight appearances for the Old Gold to date, has nine goal contributions to his name so far this season but is only under contract until January 5.

The EFL only cleared his arrival on deadline day due to the expectation that Rob Couhig was to takeover, something which did not happen and is now leading to the 75-year-old filing a lawsuit against the club.

A regular since arriving, Campbell has improved throughout the campaign and is regularly one of the top performers for the Royals.

Speaking ahead of Saturday's trip to Lincoln City, Hunt explained that discussions are being had over any possible options.

"We are trying," Hunt said. "We like Chem, he’s a great kid. He is an important player for us. We’re going to try and keep everyone as much as we possibly can over the January window.

"Brian [Carey] has been in talks with Wolves, Chem and his team. It is important that we try and get this resolved as quickly as possible."

Reading are under a transfer embargo as their financial accounts, which were due in June, remain outstanding.

[Brum Royal]

Would be good to keep him, he's been decent.

[Stranded]

I will be pleasantly surprised if we are able to keep him given we are under embargo and were only allowed to do so previously as it seemed like the deal was done.

[Crusader Royal]

I will be pleasantly surprised if we are able to keep him given we are under embargo and were only allowed to do so previously as it seemed like the deal was done.

Looks like we can if Wolves agree.
Woukd be odd to not allow an extension of an existing loan woukdn’t it ?

[Stranded]

I will be pleasantly surprised if we are able to keep him given we are under embargo and were only allowed to do so previously as it seemed like the deal was done.

Looks like we can if Wolves agree.
Woukd be odd to not allow an extension of an existing loan woukdn’t it ?

Depends on the terms and what was agreed by the EFL - remember at the time we were not even supposed to be able to sign him but an exemption was given.

[Brogue]

I will be pleasantly surprised if we are able to keep him given we are under embargo and were only allowed to do so previously as it seemed like the deal was done.

Looks like we can if Wolves agree.
Woukd be odd to not allow an extension of an existing loan woukdn’t it ?

Depends on the terms and what was agreed by the EFL - remember at the time we were not even supposed to be able to sign him but an exemption was given.

yes but no mention of the efl in hunts quote, he says carey is speaking with wolves. i doubt we would be talking to wolves if the efl had told us to go oxf*rd ourselves

[morganb]

https://www.efl.com/governance/embargoes/

Under what circumstances can a Club operating under an Embargo sign players?

During a Transfer Window

Clubs can ‘staff up’, so they have 23 players of Professional Standing within their squad.

Clubs are able to ‘staff up’ to ensure the integrity of the competitions remain and so that Clubs are able to fulfil their fixtures.

Clubs are only permitted to ‘staff up’ by signing players on loan or players not registered with another Club
Clubs cannot pay fees to acquire loan players and cannot pay additional wages on top of the salary the player receives at their parent Club
Clubs ‘staffing up’ may only register players until the end of the current Season, whilst loan transfers can only be for half a season
Budget restrictions apply dependent upon the divisional status of the Club under embargo

EFL embargo page says loans can only be for half a season. We've already had Chem on loan for half a season but from Noel's comments can only assume you can take a player on two half season loans rather than one full season?

[Snowflake Royal]

I expect Hunt is focusing on his role, having made it clear he want Chem to stay here, and is leaving the rest to Carey,give that's his job.

I wouldn't read too much into Noel's statement beyond a desire to make it happen.

[Crusader Royal]

https://www.efl.com/governance/embargoes/

Under what circumstances can a Club operating under an Embargo sign players?

During a Transfer Window

Clubs can ‘staff up’, so they have 23 players of Professional Standing within their squad.

Clubs are able to ‘staff up’ to ensure the integrity of the competitions remain and so that Clubs are able to fulfil their fixtures.

Clubs are only permitted to ‘staff up’ by signing players on loan or players not registered with another Club
Clubs cannot pay fees to acquire loan players and cannot pay additional wages on top of the salary the player receives at their parent Club
Clubs ‘staffing up’ may only register players until the end of the current Season, whilst loan transfers can only be for half a season
Budget restrictions apply dependent upon the divisional status of the Club under embargo

EFL embargo page says loans can only be for half a season. We've already had Chem on loan for half a season but from Noel's comments can only assume you can take a player on two half season loans rather than one full season?

Makes sense to limit financial exposure to half a season.
I’m not convinced of the idea that we were only allowed him because the takeover was thought to be imminent. If that had been the case the EFL could have made the loan conditional on the takeover and then retracted it when it didn’t happen.
We have more wriggle room in the budget currently with the 3 coaching staff gone which should also help our case in terms of remaining within budget.

[From Despair To Where?]

I thought we were allowed to sign Campbell because we sold Azeez and we were staffing up.

[morganb]

I thought we were allowed to sign Campbell because we sold Azeez and we were staffing up.

There's a definition of 'professional players' on the EFL site and it's possible that some of the academy players who've played this season now count so we could be staffed up to 23 so won't be able to resign Chem?

[Clyde1998]

I thought we were allowed to sign Campbell because we sold Azeez and we were staffing up.

There's a definition of 'professional players' on the EFL site and it's possible that some of the academy players who've played this season now count so we could be staffed up to 23 so won't be able to resign Chem?

According to this article from the Charlton Athletic Supporters’ Trust from 2021: https://www.castrust.org/2021/07/transf ... fidential/

Clubs are permitted to 'staff up' so they have 23 players of professional standing, which is termed as players to have made at least one appearance for any club in any first-team competition.

If they have fewer than 23 players they are allowed, within a transfer window, to sign free agents on a maximum of one-year deals or bring in players on loan for up to half a season.

However, clubs cannot pay loan fees for players and cannot pay additional wages on top of the salary the player receives at their parent club.

Assuming nothing’s changed, we must have more than 23 players with at least a single first team appearance in any first team competition.

[Snowflake Royal]

By my count, assuming there isn’t any age exclusion, we have well over30 players with at least 1 senior appearance in the League, FA Cup, League Cup or League Trophy.

1 Button
2 Pereira
3 Boyce-Clarke
4 Norcott
5 Yiadom
6 Abrefa
7 Ahmed
8 Dorsett
9 Garcia
10 Bindon
11 Mbengue
12 Dean
13 Holzman
14 Kanu
15 Stickland
16 Clarke
17 Osho
18 Craig
19 Rushesha
20 Senga
21 Spencer
22 Wellens
23 Wing
24 Elliott
25 Savage
26 Sackey
27 Knibbs
28 Camara
29 Akande
30 Tuma
31 Ehibhatiomhan
32 Smith
33 Wareham

[Clyde1998]

By my count, assuming there isn’t any age exclusion, we have well over30 players with at least 1 senior appearance in the League, FA Cup, League Cup or League Trophy.

1 Button
2 Pereira
3 Boyce-Clarke
4 Norcott
5 Yiadom
6 Abrefa
7 Ahmed
8 Dorsett
9 Garcia
10 Bindon
11 Mbengue
12 Dean
13 Holzman
14 Kanu
15 Stickland
16 Clarke
17 Osho
18 Craig
19 Rushesha
20 Senga
21 Spencer
22 Wellens
23 Wing
24 Elliott
25 Savage
26 Sackey
27 Knibbs
28 Camara
29 Akande
30 Tuma
31 Ehibhatiomhan
32 Smith
33 Wareham

I had a look myself and found 37 - adding John Clarke; Boyd Beacroft; Jeremiah Okine-Peters; Joe Barough. We've given debuts to ten players this season.

Worth pointing out when we signed Campbell, we had 34 players matching that criteria - whether the rule's been changed to only include league matches or now requires a minimum number of appearances may be a factor.

[From Despair To Where?]

Or does it only include figures from the start of the season?

[Snowflake Royal]

By my count, assuming there isn’t any age exclusion, we have well over30 players with at least 1 senior appearance in the League, FA Cup, League Cup or League Trophy.

1 Button
2 Pereira
3 Boyce-Clarke
4 Norcott
5 Yiadom
6 Abrefa
7 Ahmed
8 Dorsett
9 Garcia
10 Bindon
11 Mbengue
12 Dean
13 Holzman
14 Kanu
15 Stickland
16 Clarke
17 Osho
18 Craig
19 Rushesha
20 Senga
21 Spencer
22 Wellens
23 Wing
24 Elliott
25 Savage
26 Sackey
27 Knibbs
28 Camara
29 Akande
30 Tuma
31 Ehibhatiomhan
32 Smith
33 Wareham

I had a look myself and found 37 - adding John Clarke; Boyd Beacroft; Jeremiah Okine-Peters; Joe Barough. We've given debuts to ten players this season.

Worth pointing out when we signed Campbell, we had 34 players matching that criteria - whether the rule's been changed to only include league matches or now requires a minimum number of appearances may be a factor.

Had Clarke in at 16.

My interpretation of Campbell's signing was we persuaded the FL that there was ambiguity in their communication about whether we could sign a replacement for Azeez.

I think the deal went through because we argued we wouldn't have let Azeez go if we couldn’t make a signing, it's a net cost reduction, we've been paying on time and the takeover is all but complete.

Well, the takeover fell apart, and the misunderstanding can no longer apply, so I think we'll find it very hard to bring anyone in to replace him. I think there's a small chance we get to extend.

On the other hand, I don't see us selling more than 2 players who've played regularly. I know a lot of people expect a mass exodus, but I don't.

Although, I think that exodus is much more likely in the summer when contracts run out, unless we have solid extension clauses.

Most of our players aren't super attractive for a fee to Champ clubs. But a lot are well worth a punt for a free to Champ or L1 clubs in the summer.