Rodgers - Success? Failure? How long?

[Royal Lady]

Even after yesterday's showing??

[Maguire]

Even after yesterday's showing??

Yeah, why not? Lost by the odd goal in 5 away from home.

[sandman]

It may get worse before it gets better when you look at the upcoming fixtures. Teams can go on a run of good results as well as bad ones in this division and that is why Rodgers should be given more time.

[Super_horns]

Firstly I fear your bound to beat us next week as our fans really want to beat Rodgers (no problem with you guys or Reading in general!)

It seems you are playing nice football but like we saw last season it can be ineffective against strong physical sides...

I am surprised you brought Rasiak as a main striker...Rodgers didn't seem that keen on him at first although scoring a few goals helped Rasiak's cause.

Anyway if the results yesterday are anything to go by there might be a few goals...or 0-0 again.

Is McAnuff fit yet?

[Franchise FC]

I've kept out of the arguments over Rodgers abilities so far, other than to ridicule anyone who compares him favourably to Coppell, as I didn't know enough about the guy to comment. After yesterday, I feel able to comment and my feelings are that right now he is totally out of his depth.

Yesterday, a more experienced manager changed his team's approach at half time and our novice completely failed to prepare the team for that possibility or respond to it once it was clear we were being overrun.

Rodgers is a novice at first team level and it's showing and costing us points. Who knows, he may be quick learner and work out how to do his job in time to avoid a further relegation but, as of now, he looks the wrong choice to manage a side successfully through all the upheaval.

With every game Reading play, Coppell looks a better manager, with every game Reading, and Watford, play, Rodgers looks worse. Hardly surprising though, you'd have to be a total moron to anticipate a novice who talks a good game doing a better job than a manager with 1000 games under his belt.

Experience =/= everything

Look at Tony Hart.

Although He's dead, I'll grant you he did get a lot of draws.

[PEARCEY]

Even after yesterday's showing??

Yeah, why not? Lost by the odd goal in 5 away from home.

Against a team who hadn't won yet this season and would have been bereft of confidence.

[Ian Royal]

I've kept out of the arguments over Rodgers abilities so far, other than to ridicule anyone who compares him favourably to Coppell, as I didn't know enough about the guy to comment. After yesterday, I feel able to comment and my feelings are that right now he is totally out of his depth.

Yesterday, a more experienced manager changed his team's approach at half time and our novice completely failed to prepare the team for that possibility or respond to it once it was clear we were being overrun.

Rodgers is a novice at first team level and it's showing and costing us points. Who knows, he may be quick learner and work out how to do his job in time to avoid a further relegation but, as of now, he looks the wrong choice to manage a side successfully through all the upheaval.

With every game Reading play, Coppell looks a better manager, with every game Reading, and Watford, play, Rodgers looks worse. Hardly surprising though, you'd have to be a total moron to anticipate a novice who talks a good game doing a better job than a manager with 1000 games under his belt.

+1

Malky MacKay looking like the power behind the throne at the moment.

Anyone know what formation Watford are currently using?

[Platypuss]

Even after yesterday's showing??

Yeah, why not? Lost by the odd goal in 5 away from home.

It was Peterborough, if you don't beat them you are going DOWWWWN.
FFS, we need to get Rodgers out!

Wow, we're going down with Wednesday, Ipswich, QPR, Palace and Leicester. Interesting end of season.

[Ian Royal]

Isn't Steve Coppell going to be starting to look for a new job around Xmas time?

I hear he's got a pretty good record.

[Ian Royal]

Bump for W_R

Evidence that only 7 of 79 voters want Rodgers out now. Many of the others aren't happy, but are willing to give him at least a few more games to give us something to believe in.

Most believe he should have until at least xmas or beyond.

[Henleyensian]

We expected a rough ride at first. You can't get rid of practically a complete team and weld a new team together especially when the strongest members of the old team are injured. The lads are playing nice football but lack the experience to change things on the pitch the way Coppell's team could do. Maybe Ivar's experience will help them, as until now we have not had an experienced captain. Coppell used to say that he could do nothing once they were on the pitch and he had to leave it to the players to use their common sense, which presumably applies to any manager.

We should be wary of changing managers too readily. A new man would have to start all over again with his own brand of management. Just look around at the clubs that do! It is a recipe for disaster.

[ROKERITE]

I've voted "survive and come good next season" but it's quite possible the play-offs, or at least mid-table, will be reached this season. I could do with a few wins soon though, as I'm having to pay out considerable sums of money at the moment through Reading's poor results. However, I remain 100% behind Brendan Rodgers.

[Factfinder]

Things are different now.
Under Pardew and Coppell there was always an anticipation of success.
At the moment I don't feel that optimistic under this regime.

[Ian Royal]

I'd like to point out for clarity that the options aren't all mutually exclusive.

You could, for example, think that we'll survive this season and come good next season, but that if Rodgers doesn't start getting results in the next couple of months then we can't necessarily risk relying on that being the case because of blind faith.

[RoyalBlue]

Which twat voted for 'We'll turn the corner and go up'

I blame Graham for letting JM and the two NHs register!

[SLAMMED]

Which twat voted for 'We'll turn the corner and go up'

I blame Graham for letting JM and the two NHs register!

Knowing JM, he'll probably have about 30 accounts.

[Vision]

Things are different now.
Under Pardew and Coppell there was always an anticipation of success.
At the moment I don't feel that optimistic under this regime.

I'm afraid thats rewriting history somewhat.

Pardew was not a popular appointment by any stretch of the imagination and whilst he had Gorman as his assistant for more games than Rodgers has had we were in the same position as we are now, only a in a Division lower. Plenty of fans were predicting releagation back to the 4th tier much as they're predicting relegation now.

There were also plenty of spells under Coppell's reign when it was the popular opinion amongst the fanbase that he'd never get us promoted. Hell there are plenty of fans that have always maintained Madejski would never do what it took for promotion to the Premiership or in fact that he never wanted us to get there anyway.

In my view you can't pin an exact idea of "how long?" you can give a manager. If you think he's not up to it and there's something wrong in the dressing room then you could argue that pulling the trigger now is the only sensible course of action. However if you can see improvement, see that the plan ( which is quite obviously a long term plan) is being implemented then you'll have the balls to back the person whom you've entrusted with that plan.

As things stand I'm in the latter camp personally and as such putting a specific short term date on it isn't really relevant.

[Alan Partridge]

Saturday is huge because the next 6 look horrendous on paper.

Not totally unfeasibleReading might not just be in the bottom 3 after that but they could be a fair few points adrift. Rodgers needs a couple of wins in the next 7 games. 2 or 3 wins minimum, if not the hand may be forced.

[Stranded]

Can I just ask what did people actually expect given the complete overhaul this summer - where did you realistically expect us to be now?

It's not great at the mo, and could get worse but easily we could be one win away from a decent run.

Unless and it's a big unless we start to get cut off in the bottom three then Rodgers gets the season (and probably til Xmas next season) at the very least. Changing so quickly would do more harm that good. Look at Charlton, Curbishley left and they went through about 3 managers in a year as the fans/club did not have the patience to allow things to gel.

[Hoop Blah]

I've kept out of the arguments over Rodgers abilities so far, other than to ridicule anyone who compares him favourably to Coppell, as I didn't know enough about the guy to comment. After yesterday, I feel able to comment and my feelings are that right now he is totally out of his depth.

Yesterday, a more experienced manager changed his team's approach at half time and our novice completely failed to prepare the team for that possibility or respond to it once it was clear we were being overrun.

Rodgers is a novice at first team level and it's showing and costing us points. Who knows, he may be quick learner and work out how to do his job in time to avoid a further relegation but, as of now, he looks the wrong choice to manage a side successfully through all the upheaval.

With every game Reading play, Coppell looks a better manager, with every game Reading, and Watford, play, Rodgers looks worse. Hardly surprising though, you'd have to be a total moron to anticipate a novice who talks a good game doing a better job than a manager with 1000 games under his belt.

I'm not entirely sure what your point is Schards.

Coppell's last 18 months were appalling. His history at the club obviously places him as our most successful manager but he's time was up and even he knew it. He'd had his time and was failing to rebuild a team.

He was no longer an option for the club and so any comparison is pretty pointless (and that goes for the pro-Rodgers brigade like Royalee too of course) as the club is in a totally different position. Whilst you're at it though, Coppell lost us plenty of games through his team selection, reliance on the guard, lack of transfer market success and inability to turn round a poor run of form so he was hardly perfect.

In answer to the original question...I think we have to give Rodgers as much time as possible. For me that means the rest of this season, a productive pre-season, and then see how we are at this point next year. Obviously there may be circumstances between now and then that could force the clubs hand, but, even if we're in a similar postion now around Christmas I'd say we have to stick with it and give him the time he needs to make this work.