Selles not out

[Hound]

I do think he needs to look to the experience again a bit. The youth lads have been great in some games and should absolutely be in and around the squad but I do think post the intl break we should bring back in Yiadom (at RB), NGW, Hutch, Knibbs and Smith

Can prob keep Abbey in but consider TMc at Cb

The younger lads can make up the bench and absolutely come on with plenty of time left

[Stranded]

I think the chopping and changing of the side is a by product of having a young team - we are playing a bunch of players, none of whom in normal times are likely to play 46+ games, so there is definitely an aspect of managing their game time.

Elliott had never played first team football until he signed for us and had a serious injury earlier in his career, so understandable you would ease him in to ensure his body can take it. Ballard also has minimal first team exposure, add to that Vickers, Kelvin, Bindon, Abbey, Savage and the whole base of the side is made up of players who would normally be rotated in and out of the side.

The problem we have is that we don't have an experienced or good enough spine of older players who can fill say 7 spots regularly and allow the other 4 to be taken by younger players.

[Hound]

I think the chopping and changing of the side is a by product of having a young team - we are playing a bunch of players, none of whom in normal times are likely to play 46+ games, so there is definitely an aspect of managing their game time.

Elliott had never played first team football until he signed for us and had a serious injury earlier in his career, so understandable you would ease him in to ensure his body can take it. Ballard also has minimal first team exposure, add to that Vickers, Kelvin, Bindon, Abbey, Savage and the whole base of the side is made up of players who would normally be rotated in and out of the side.

The problem we have is that we don't have an experienced or good enough spine of older players who can fill say 7 spots regularly and allow the other 4 to be taken by younger players.

Button, Yiadom, TMc, NGW, Wing, Hutch, Knibbs, Smith, Dean, Holmes, Ejaria (lolz)

There’s enough from that lot. Azeez, Mukairo have reasonable experience now as well.

Need smith fit, build bridges with NGW and Holmes and there is enough experience

[Stranded]

I think the chopping and changing of the side is a by product of having a young team - we are playing a bunch of players, none of whom in normal times are likely to play 46+ games, so there is definitely an aspect of managing their game time.

Elliott had never played first team football until he signed for us and had a serious injury earlier in his career, so understandable you would ease him in to ensure his body can take it. Ballard also has minimal first team exposure, add to that Vickers, Kelvin, Bindon, Abbey, Savage and the whole base of the side is made up of players who would normally be rotated in and out of the side.

The problem we have is that we don't have an experienced or good enough spine of older players who can fill say 7 spots regularly and allow the other 4 to be taken by younger players.

Button, Yiadom, TMc, NGW, Wing, Hutch, Knibbs, Smith, Dean, Holmes, Ejaria (lolz)

There’s enough from that lot. Azeez, Mukairo have reasonable experience now as well.

Need smith fit, build bridges with NGW and Holmes and there is enough experience

I said good enough or at least rated as such by the manager

[WestYorksRoyal]

I think the chopping and changing of the side is a by product of having a young team - we are playing a bunch of players, none of whom in normal times are likely to play 46+ games, so there is definitely an aspect of managing their game time.

Elliott had never played first team football until he signed for us and had a serious injury earlier in his career, so understandable you would ease him in to ensure his body can take it. Ballard also has minimal first team exposure, add to that Vickers, Kelvin, Bindon, Abbey, Savage and the whole base of the side is made up of players who would normally be rotated in and out of the side.

The problem we have is that we don't have an experienced or good enough spine of older players who can fill say 7 spots regularly and allow the other 4 to be taken by younger players.

Button, Yiadom, TMc, NGW, Wing, Hutch, Knibbs, Smith, Dean, Holmes, Ejaria (lolz)

There’s enough from that lot. Azeez, Mukairo have reasonable experience now as well.

Need smith fit, build bridges with NGW and Holmes and there is enough experience

I agree with this. I wonder what Bowen's role is if he can see things like this. Would giving advice be seen as interference? Do you want to stay hands off as a vote of confidence? I think some advice from another professional would benefit Selles, especially being our only manager in the past 5 years who it didn't end in disaster for.

[Hound]

I think the chopping and changing of the side is a by product of having a young team - we are playing a bunch of players, none of whom in normal times are likely to play 46+ games, so there is definitely an aspect of managing their game time.

Elliott had never played first team football until he signed for us and had a serious injury earlier in his career, so understandable you would ease him in to ensure his body can take it. Ballard also has minimal first team exposure, add to that Vickers, Kelvin, Bindon, Abbey, Savage and the whole base of the side is made up of players who would normally be rotated in and out of the side.

The problem we have is that we don't have an experienced or good enough spine of older players who can fill say 7 spots regularly and allow the other 4 to be taken by younger players.

Button, Yiadom, TMc, NGW, Wing, Hutch, Knibbs, Smith, Dean, Holmes, Ejaria (lolz)

There’s enough from that lot. Azeez, Mukairo have reasonable experience now as well.

Need smith fit, build bridges with NGW and Holmes and there is enough experience

I said good enough or at least rated as such by the manager

Well yes certainly debatable who is good enough. But realistically all should be up to L1 standard

I’m fine with Selles sticking by his 4-2-2-2 or whatever but just cutting out 2 experienced defenders is silly

[Hound]

Mbengue when fit has 50 odd games under his belt now as well over 3 seasons

I don’t want us to use inexperience as an excuse tbh now. It might be a reason and long term beneficial, but right now we just need to get some wins on the board and choose the best available players to do that

[Royal_jimmy]

As much as I'd like Selles given time we deserve so much better than the shit served up so far. We should be doing better. Hopefully it's just taking longer for the team to gel given the huge turnover of players and them getting used to the system. But right now it feels like if we don't score early we won't win.

[Vision]

I think the chopping and changing of the side is a by product of having a young team - we are playing a bunch of players, none of whom in normal times are likely to play 46+ games, so there is definitely an aspect of managing their game time.

Elliott had never played first team football until he signed for us and had a serious injury earlier in his career, so understandable you would ease him in to ensure his body can take it. Ballard also has minimal first team exposure, add to that Vickers, Kelvin, Bindon, Abbey, Savage and the whole base of the side is made up of players who would normally be rotated in and out of the side.

The problem we have is that we don't have an experienced or good enough spine of older players who can fill say 7 spots regularly and allow the other 4 to be taken by younger players.

Button, Yiadom, TMc, NGW, Wing, Hutch, Knibbs, Smith, Dean, Holmes, Ejaria (lolz)

There’s enough from that lot. Azeez, Mukairo have reasonable experience now as well.

Need smith fit, build bridges with NGW and Holmes and there is enough experience

I agree with this. I wonder what Bowen's role is if he can see things like this. Would giving advice be seen as interference? Do you want to stay hands off as a vote of confidence? I think some advice from another professional would benefit Selles, especially being our only manager in the past 5 years who it didn't end in disaster for.

Eddie Niedzwiecki is always on the bench so given his close links with Bowen I'd say there's no lack of possible input there.

[Snowflake Royal]

My immediate reaction after watching yesterday’s debacle was get him gone. There’s been too much chopping and changing with the starting 11 for me. I feel that the 2 cup games away from home have slightly put a spanner in the works. Upon reflection Carson and maybe a couple of other players aren’t ready for the first team yet.

I think we have to give him another 10 games or so, but as a starter he needs to pick NGW at left back and start with Ballard. Also, barring injuries he should persevere with his starting 11 for a while. The team needs to gel and become a TEAM. I genuinely hope he can learn from his mistakes, but I have said that about all of our recent managers, apart from Bowen.

I agree we need to have some more consistency in the starting XI, which will help with players gelling. I think Sam Smith coming into the squad would help us - is he supposed to be back for Charlton? There have been a number of games already where we've lacked the cutting edge up top and Smith, with his scoring record in L1, should be able to resolve that issue.

There should be no question of replacing the manager at this stage, especially given the context of the season - with the number of young players, huge changes to the squad, etc. I think those who are seriously calling for Selles to be sacked already have too high expectations. We'll end up mid-table side at best this season (notwithstanding any more points deductions), as that's taking into account the improvement we'll hopefully see from our younger players throughout the year.

It's not too surprising we've towards the bottom of the division at this stage and, aside from Blackpool, we could've got something from every game this season. I expect the increased experience will turn the type of games we're currently losing into draws and those we're currently drawing into wins as the season progresses.

We aren’t towards the bottom though are we, we're almost rock bottom.

And any manager with a 60% loss rate 10 games in is going to be on his bike fairly quickly without a rapid improvement, no matter the circumstances.

[under the tin]

As much as I'd like Selles given time we deserve so much better than the shit served up so far. We should be doing better. Hopefully it's just taking longer for the team to gel given the huge turnover of players and them getting used to the system. But right now it feels like if we don't score early we won't win.

The team might have a chance to "gel" if Selles played something approximating the same players, in the same positions for a few matches in a row.
All the chopping and changing suggests to me is that Selles doesn't yet know his best XI, and who should play in what position in that XI.

We have 2 more away games coming up, then a home game v Fleetwood, then we entertain the (so far) unbeaten league leaders.
We could be in a world of trouble by the end of the month, and if we are, I would not be at all surprised to see Bowen make an executive decision, and manage the team himself.

[Millsy]

“We quickly need to learn how to play” - Selles

Yeah. You’ve only had the entire preseason and almost a quarter of a season. It might be a good idea to start figuring it out about now eh?

[Brogue]

Anyone who thinks we will get rid and get someone else in are in dreamland. As we know, we were at the financial limit when the transfer window closed. We can’t bring in any free agents. So where are we getting the money from to pay of selles contract and bring another manager in? I mean we can’t pay the tax bill and are borrowing money off SCL.

[Lower West]

“We quickly need to learn how to play” - Selles

Yeah. You’ve only had the entire preseason and almost a quarter of a season. It might be a good idea to start figuring it out about now eh?

Perhaps there's no answer. At the current time simply not good enough. Expecting a bunch of kids to be competitive in L1 from the off is unrealistic. The grind of the matches, the constant pressure, the protests , the results, the opposition. Will be sapping the mental energy from the group.

[under the tin]

“We quickly need to learn how to play” - Selles

Yeah. You’ve only had the entire preseason and almost a quarter of a season. It might be a good idea to start figuring it out about now eh?

Perhaps there's no answer. At the current time simply not good enough. Expecting a bunch of kids to be competitive in L1 from the off is unrealistic. The grind of the matches, the constant pressure, the protests , the results, the opposition. Will be sapping the mental energy from the group.

The clue's in the thread title.
It's not about the players
We've been here before
Brendan Rogers
Available playing resources Vs. a system the manager wants implemented.
Results business
Only one potential loser here, (unless he wises up)

[Snowflake Royal]

Anyone who thinks we will get rid and get someone else in are in dreamland. As we know, we were at the financial limit when the transfer window closed. We can’t bring in any free agents. So where are we getting the money from to pay of selles contract and bring another manager in? I mean we can’t pay the tax bill and are borrowing money off SCL.

Bowen. Hunt.

[Brogue]

Anyone who thinks we will get rid and get someone else in are in dreamland. As we know, we were at the financial limit when the transfer window closed. We can’t bring in any free agents. So where are we getting the money from to pay of selles contract and bring another manager in? I mean we can’t pay the tax bill and are borrowing money off SCL.

Bowen. Hunt.

‘bring another manager in’ - as in an external appointment.

[Snowflake Royal]

“We quickly need to learn how to play” - Selles

Yeah. You’ve only had the entire preseason and almost a quarter of a season. It might be a good idea to start figuring it out about now eh?

Perhaps there's no answer. At the current time simply not good enough. Expecting a bunch of kids to be competitive in L1 from the off is unrealistic. The grind of the matches, the constant pressure, the protests , the results, the opposition. Will be sapping the mental energy from the group.

This is the same bunch of kids who beat Championship Millwall. And were competative against Cheltenham, Stevenage, Cambridge, Exeter and Bolton.

And we have other senior players who can play, Selles is ignoring them.

[Sutekh]

“We quickly need to learn how to play” - Selles

Yeah. You’ve only had the entire preseason and almost a quarter of a season. It might be a good idea to start figuring it out about now eh?

Perhaps there's no answer. At the current time simply not good enough. Expecting a bunch of kids to be competitive in L1 from the off is unrealistic. The grind of the matches, the constant pressure, the protests , the results, the opposition. Will be sapping the mental energy from the group.

This is the same bunch of kids who beat Championship Millwall. And were competative against Cheltenham, Stevenage, Cambridge, Exeter and Bolton.

And we have other senior players who can play, Selles is ignoring them.

This. NGW is by far the best option at left back (I know, but then we know none of the options can defend) as he offers something fairly useful going forward but know we're stuck with the persistence that Carson is the answer (and he ultimately may be but over a long period) or that it's McIntyre or now that it's the superb Mola. Not looking forward to his next guess in that area.

[morganb]

Sheffield Wednesday and Bradford have sacked their managers after 10 and 11 games respectively. Means Mark Hughes is available.