by YorkshireRoyal99 » 23 Oct 2023 09:16
by WestYorksRoyal » 23 Oct 2023 09:30
YorkshireRoyal99 And these mistakes are bad, as they are costing us points. At the end of the day, the table doesn't lie and we'd still be in the bottom 4 even without the points deductions. I'm not saying it's all on them, the manager takes a fair share of the blame and I'm sure the overall situation at the club isn't helping and I'm wanting to think that we aren't as bad as results are suggesting, but how long before we say that maybe the players aren't that good after all?
Case in point, Charlie Savage was at Forest Green last season and Harvey Knibbs at Cambridge, who were both at the bottom end of L1, they are in a very similar situation again ands both look quite average in our team.
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 23 Oct 2023 09:38
WestYorksRoyalYorkshireRoyal99 And these mistakes are bad, as they are costing us points. At the end of the day, the table doesn't lie and we'd still be in the bottom 4 even without the points deductions. I'm not saying it's all on them, the manager takes a fair share of the blame and I'm sure the overall situation at the club isn't helping and I'm wanting to think that we aren't as bad as results are suggesting, but how long before we say that maybe the players aren't that good after all?
Case in point, Charlie Savage was at Forest Green last season and Harvey Knibbs at Cambridge, who were both at the bottom end of L1, they are in a very similar situation again ands both look quite average in our team.
That doesn't tell the full story. Savage is a Man Utd academy product who was getting his first senior football experience. He is highly rated and on the fringes of the Wales squad. Knibbs and Smith were 2 of Cambridge's best performers - a bit like saying Swift is shit because he spent so maybe years battling relegation with us. Wing has an excellent L1 record.
Bowen did a good job building this squad; the off field situation and Selles's incompetence is making them underperform grossly. Off field stability and a reasonable manager and it's a top half squad in my view.
by Snowflake Royal » 23 Oct 2023 09:50
YorkshireRoyal99 And these mistakes are bad, as they are costing us points. At the end of the day, the table doesn't lie and we'd still be in the bottom 4 even without the points deductions. I'm not saying it's all on them, the manager takes a fair share of the blame and I'm sure the overall situation at the club isn't helping and I'm wanting to think that we aren't as bad as results are suggesting, but how long before we say that maybe the players aren't that good after all?
Case in point, Charlie Savage was at Forest Green last season and Harvey Knibbs at Cambridge, who were both at the bottom end of L1, they are in a very similar situation again ands both look quite average in our team.
by WestYorksRoyal » 23 Oct 2023 09:57
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 23 Oct 2023 10:19
by WestYorksRoyal » 23 Oct 2023 10:26
by South Coast Royal » 23 Oct 2023 10:29
by NathStPaul » 23 Oct 2023 10:32
South Coast Royal Just a few points .
Azeez is now 22, has played over 40 league games for our first team and scored 2 goals.
Secondly I think that the formation is overstated as being the reason for our lack of success-football is about players and formation is just a minor consideration.
It's not the system that has put us where we are, it's the players and the coaching and treatment (e.g NGW, Carroll, Holmes etc) of those players by the manager that have played a big part in where we find ourselves.
Knibbs and Azeez for example are really part of a 4-4-2 but unfortunately they don't do much in creating or defending so not only are they contributing little at the attacking end of the pitch but also they do little in successful back-tracking.
Coppell wouldn't have accepted their contributions, just as he didn't with James Henry playing there.
We can't sign anybody so the players just have to work harder and both they and the manager can't go on about inexperience-these young players have youth and energy on their side and they need to use that energy more.
At this stage if the manager can't get that out of them then a different manager might see it as an opportunity to prove him (or her) self even with the current restrictions as they (managers-in-waiting) all appear to have great self belief if not much else.
by WestYorksRoyal » 23 Oct 2023 10:41
NathStPaulSouth Coast Royal Just a few points .
Azeez is now 22, has played over 40 league games for our first team and scored 2 goals.
Secondly I think that the formation is overstated as being the reason for our lack of success-football is about players and formation is just a minor consideration.
It's not the system that has put us where we are, it's the players and the coaching and treatment (e.g NGW, Carroll, Holmes etc) of those players by the manager that have played a big part in where we find ourselves.
Knibbs and Azeez for example are really part of a 4-4-2 but unfortunately they don't do much in creating or defending so not only are they contributing little at the attacking end of the pitch but also they do little in successful back-tracking.
Coppell wouldn't have accepted their contributions, just as he didn't with James Henry playing there.
We can't sign anybody so the players just have to work harder and both they and the manager can't go on about inexperience-these young players have youth and energy on their side and they need to use that energy more.
At this stage if the manager can't get that out of them then a different manager might see it as an opportunity to prove him (or her) self even with the current restrictions as they (managers-in-waiting) all appear to have great self belief if not much else.
Good points raised here.
by NathStPaul » 23 Oct 2023 10:44
WestYorksRoyalNathStPaulSouth Coast Royal Just a few points .
Azeez is now 22, has played over 40 league games for our first team and scored 2 goals.
Secondly I think that the formation is overstated as being the reason for our lack of success-football is about players and formation is just a minor consideration.
It's not the system that has put us where we are, it's the players and the coaching and treatment (e.g NGW, Carroll, Holmes etc) of those players by the manager that have played a big part in where we find ourselves.
Knibbs and Azeez for example are really part of a 4-4-2 but unfortunately they don't do much in creating or defending so not only are they contributing little at the attacking end of the pitch but also they do little in successful back-tracking.
Coppell wouldn't have accepted their contributions, just as he didn't with James Henry playing there.
We can't sign anybody so the players just have to work harder and both they and the manager can't go on about inexperience-these young players have youth and energy on their side and they need to use that energy more.
At this stage if the manager can't get that out of them then a different manager might see it as an opportunity to prove him (or her) self even with the current restrictions as they (managers-in-waiting) all appear to have great self belief if not much else.
Good points raised here.
Azeez and Knibbs are not tracking back because they are not being asked to do it. Similarly, Coppell's wingers created as they had a simple brief to take on full backs and deliver crosses as much as possible. What are they being asked to do now? The manager is to blame.
by WestYorksRoyal » 23 Oct 2023 10:53
NathStPaulWestYorksRoyalNathStPaul Good points raised here.
Azeez and Knibbs are not tracking back because they are not being asked to do it. Similarly, Coppell's wingers created as they had a simple brief to take on full backs and deliver crosses as much as possible. What are they being asked to do now? The manager is to blame.
Or are they not capable of doing so? Are they lazy? You don't know for sure, you can't be certain.
by Clyde1998 » 23 Oct 2023 11:15
Royal_jimmy I'm surprised you didn't get the train! particularly if you live in the middle of Reading. I didn't know the coach broke down! where was that? did you get sent a replacement or did they fix it?
It's not a surprise it's getting toxic. It's not the players fault, it's all because of Dai. But I get why people are slating them as well, in the heat of the moment when your teams getting thrashed and capitulating after a solid first half you're going to feel angry and need to vent it on something. It should be on Dai though and some of it on Selles, not the youngsters.
by Snowflake Royal » 23 Oct 2023 12:41
NathStPaulWestYorksRoyalNathStPaul Good points raised here.
Azeez and Knibbs are not tracking back because they are not being asked to do it. Similarly, Coppell's wingers created as they had a simple brief to take on full backs and deliver crosses as much as possible. What are they being asked to do now? The manager is to blame.
Or are they not capable of doing so? Are they lazy? You don't know for sure, you can't be certain.
by Sutekh » 23 Oct 2023 12:57
Snowflake RoyalNathStPaulWestYorksRoyal Azeez and Knibbs are not tracking back because they are not being asked to do it. Similarly, Coppell's wingers created as they had a simple brief to take on full backs and deliver crosses as much as possible. What are they being asked to do now? The manager is to blame.
Or are they not capable of doing so? Are they lazy? You don't know for sure, you can't be certain.
There is nothing lazy about Knibbs
by Snowflake Royal » 23 Oct 2023 13:06
by WestYorksRoyal » 23 Oct 2023 13:07
SutekhSnowflake RoyalNathStPaul Or are they not capable of doing so? Are they lazy? You don't know for sure, you can't be certain.
There is nothing lazy about Knibbs
This is what I'm not sure about what this ridiculous 4-2-2-2 is all about, it leaves the team extremely narrow with an over reliance on the full backs to be up the pitch to create and push the game onto the opponents. However all the opposition seem to do is simply stick the ball in the spaces behind the full/wing (whatever you want to call them) backs leaving them both compromised and knackered and the defence all over the place trying to cover the holes.
by Hound » 23 Oct 2023 13:25
Snowflake RoyalSutekhRoyal_jimmy With Femi Azeez on the pitch we're never going to score. He's shit
Don't worry it'll all change when Smith is back
I'm truly shocked that he hasn’t instantly solved everything in his first 55mins after being out for two and a half months with not much pre-season, and no warm up games before starting.
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 23 Oct 2023 13:55
SutekhSnowflake RoyalNathStPaul Or are they not capable of doing so? Are they lazy? You don't know for sure, you can't be certain.
There is nothing lazy about Knibbs
This is what I'm not sure about what this ridiculous 4-2-2-2 is all about, it leaves the team extremely narrow with an over reliance on the full backs to be up the pitch to create and push the game onto the opponents. However all the opposition seem to do is simply stick the ball in the spaces behind the full/wing (whatever you want to call them) backs leaving them both compromised and knackered and the defence all over the place trying to cover the holes.
by Royal_jimmy » 23 Oct 2023 14:05
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