Harte is Rubbish, not good enough for the Championship

[Snowball]

It doesn't matter what I think (I can't watch youtube on this laptop). You said he'd never had his integrity questioned. I showed you otherwise.

Naughty, naughty, Hoop. That's a big jump from what I actually said. I did NOT say "he has never had his integrity questioned."

I asked IF he had.


Here it is: See the question mark?

I've asked, does Harte have a reputation for that kind of cheating. Nobody has said he has that reputation?

Note that isn't "Has 1 bloke or 2 blokes said he dived", it means A REPUTATION like Ronaldo or Robben.

The You Tube is damn clear that Harte was kicked. When you have seen it, comment.

Who else has looked at it? Look like a dive to anyone?

[Snowball]

Doyle and Lita certainly weren't shy to go down under a challenge if it would lead to us getting something, and Long learnt his football under Coppell and certainly isn't the most stable on his feet in the box.

Feigning injury, or making the most of it probably isn't something we used to see too much of, but to think it didn't happen would be a little naive. Players need a rest sometimes, or need to slow the game down (wasn't it Curle who always seem to suffer an injury after we scored a goal?) and getting treatment is a good way to do it.

Let's just remember that the tenor of the criticism over Holt is NOT
that Harte needed a rest, but that he deliberately tried to get the player sent of.

I believe he WAS hurt, so did Gooding, so did all the people around me watching.

[Snowball]

Once 99.999999% of people thought the earth was flat. You probably still do.

More made up statistics.

This is a myth, Snowball. Many peoples knew the world was round long before Columbus.

Jeez, lighten up. It was a f-cking JOKE.

[Snowball]

Insulting people is not the way to go about getting people to listen to your point of view. Someone of your age should now better and you are an embarrassment to people of your generation.

It's the job of the old to be embarrassing.


PS at least you don't toss out insults, eh?

[Wycombe Royal]

I believe he WAS hurt, so did Gooding, so did all the people around me watching.

I thought it was a red card when I saw it live and I thought Harte had broken his leg. But that doesn't mean he DID. THat is just what it looked like. But now having seen the replay I have reviewed my opinion of the incident. Harte made a lot of it and his "acting" made us THINK he was seriously injured.

[Wycombe Royal]

Insulting people is not the way to go about getting people to listen to your point of view. Someone of your age should now better and you are an embarrassment to people of your generation.

It's the job of the old to be embarrassing.


PS at least you don't toss out insults, eh?

There comes a point when you get dragged down to the level of others and I have succumbed at times.

[Snowball]

I believe he WAS hurt, so did Gooding, so did all the people around me watching.

I thought it was a red card when I saw it live and I thought Harte had broken his leg. But that doesn't mean he DID. THat is just what it looked like. But now having seen the replay I have reviewed my opinion of the incident. Harte made a lot of it and his "acting" made us THINK he was seriously injured.

Do you KNOW Harte was not hurt? Are you REALLY sure?

Have you ever been kicked by a professional on the shin or ankle?

Have you ever seen something on TV that looks one thing from one angle, completely different from another?

Why, exactly (unless the player is called Kitson, Doyle, or Forster) do you always think the worst of our players?

[Wycombe Royal]

Do you KNOW Harte was not hurt? Are you REALLY sure??

Do you KNOW Harte was hurt? Are you REALLY sure??

Don't go throwing around questions like that when you can't answer it yourself.

[Snowball]

Do you KNOW Harte was not hurt? Are you REALLY sure??

Do you KNOW Harte was hurt? Are you REALLY sure??

Don't go throwing around questions like that when you can't answer it yourself.

You really miss the point, don't you?

Er, there's a thing called PROOF, another thing called "reasonable doubt", a third thing called "slander" and a fourth called "libel"

Because I do NOT know, I don't "decide" that Harte was genuinely injured NOR that he cheated.

Half the things said about that incident by HNA'ers are probably illegal, almost certainly libel

People denigrate a man, say, in some cases categorically, that he is a cheat, and deliberately tried to get a man sent off.

There is no PROOF either way. Therefore we should not comment in strong, clear, "we know" terms.

There is REASONABLE DOUBT, therefore we should give Harte the benefit of that doubt. If he had had
a string of such "dodgy incidents" and was "a known diver" (like Robben or Ronaldo) then the benefit
of reasonable doubt would be somewhat sullied. But Harte does NOT have that reputation, or at
least nobody has shown he has.

[Wycombe Royal]

The video shows me there is not resonable doubt and the fact that was up and not even limping within a minute adds further weight to that.

He may have been slightly hurt, but his reaction was way way OTT - did you see him waving frantically to the bench? It was what players do when they have received a compound fracture, not a toe poke on the shin.

Watcht he replay again, 2.35 in on the beeb website, and you can clearly see the glancing blow to the shin. His leg didnot shudder, move, or anything else under the impact.

[Snowball]

The video shows me there is not resonable doubt and the fact that was up and not even limping within a minute adds further weight to that.

He may have been slightly hurt, but his reaction was way way OTT - did you see him waving frantically to the bench? It was what players do when they have received a compound fracture, not a toe poke on the shin.

Watcht he replay again, 2.35 in on the beeb website, and you can clearly see the glancing blow to the shin. His leg didnot shudder, move, or anything else under the impact.

Thank You your honour

[Snowball]

The video shows me there is not resonable doubt and the fact that was up and not even limping within a minute adds further weight to that.

He may have been slightly hurt, but his reaction was way way OTT - did you see him waving frantically to the bench? It was what players do when they have received a compound fracture, not a toe poke on the shin.

Watcht he replay again, 2.35 in on the beeb website, and you can clearly see the glancing blow to the shin. His leg didnot shudder, move, or anything else under the impact.

I've watched it. Harte is HURT.

The player goes over the top, his studs come down on the ankle-instep
and while the foot is still trapped Holt's knee continues and impacts
Harte just below his knee. Looks to me like there's no "give" for Harte's
leg (most times there IS) and he takes the full force. IMO it's close to a leg-breaker.

[Snowball]

Incidentally, Harte isn't at fault for the first goal. He is in space watching the winger as the FB goes.
Hunt is supposed to go with the FB but just follows a yard or two behind (poor)

The winger (Harte's man) runs towards the wing and Harte is covering, but the FB plays a 1-2
and there's nothing at all Harte can do about that, Hunt should be dealing with the pass to HIS man.

Even so the FB continues and Kish is unbelievably bad. He makes no attempt to block a shot and presumes a cross.
It's DIRE defending by Kish (unlike him), and Feds doesn't stand up strong to have an attempt at stopping.



SECOND Goal. Harte is on the half-way line supporting well. Howard makes a total hash of the pass to Church
and the long-ball response takes Harte out of the game. It would have taken Betrand or Usain Bolt out of the game.

But Mills has the EASIEST of taps into touch. He should have put it in row Z.
There was absolutely no need to try the back-pass which had real risk in it from where Mills was

Even then Federici could have forced Holt to pass across goal. He leaves 4-5 feet for the striker to fire through.
When I first saw it I thought Feds was nearer the deadball line


Goal 3. Howard gave away the free-kick?

The wall is shite and Howard clearly breaks away from the wall, and that's exactly where the ball goes, REALLY bad

Even then Feds might have got it. Some keeps would have.

[Wycombe Royal]

Incidentally, Harte isn't at fault for the first goal. He is in space watching the winger as the FB goes.
Hunt is supposed to go with the FB but just follows a yard or two behind (poor)

The winger (Harte's man) runs towards the wing and Harte is covering, but the FB plays a 1-2
and there's nothing at all Harte can do about that, Hunt should be dealing with the pass to HIS man.

Even so the FB continues and Kish is unbelievably bad. He makes no attempt to block a shot and presumes a cross.
It's DIRE defending by Kish (unlike him), and Feds doesn't stand up strong to have an attempt at stopping.



SECOND Goal. Harte is on the half-way line supporting well. Howard makes a total hash of the pass to Church
and the long-ball response takes Harte out of the game. It would have taken Betrand or Usain Bolt out of the game.

But Mills has the EASIEST of taps into touch. He should have put it in row Z.
There was absolutely no need to try the back-pass which had real risk in it from where Mills was

Even then Federici could have forced Holt to pass across goal. He leaves 4-5 feet for the striker to fire through.
When I first saw it I thought Feds was nearer the deadball line


Goal 3. Howard gave away the free-kick?

The wall is shite and Howard clearly breaks away from the wall, and that's exactly where the ball goes, REALLY bad

Even then Feds might have got it. Some keeps would have.

I can't disagree with much of that, except that Khiz for the first goal was anticipating the full back to cut the ball back and not take the shot. He just anticipated wrong but Hunt put him in that position.

[Wycombe Royal]

The video shows me there is not resonable doubt and the fact that was up and not even limping within a minute adds further weight to that.

He may have been slightly hurt, but his reaction was way way OTT - did you see him waving frantically to the bench? It was what players do when they have received a compound fracture, not a toe poke on the shin.

Watcht he replay again, 2.35 in on the beeb website, and you can clearly see the glancing blow to the shin. His leg didnot shudder, move, or anything else under the impact.

I've watched it. Harte is HURT.

The player goes over the top, his studs come down on the ankle-instep
and while the foot is still trapped Holt's knee continues and impacts
Harte just below his knee. Looks to me like there's no "give" for Harte's
leg (most times there IS) and he takes the full force. IMO it's close to a leg-breaker.

His studs do not touch Harte's anke-instep, the studs graze the shin and then hit the ground. The contact between knees is more minimal than the contact with the shin. I really must be looking at a different video to you, so I think well have to agree to disagree, if you can manage that?

[Snowball]

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I can't disagree with much of that, except that Khiz for the first goal was anticipating the full back to cut the ball back and not take the shot. He just anticipated wrong but Hunt put him in that position.

Strongly disagree.

He allows the player a free shot at goal, a totally free shot from 6-7 yards out.

That's a cardinal crime for a defender

In that situation you make sure he can't get a clear shot of and
force him to square it, giving us at least a chance of intercepting
the pass, or the shot, if taken being less "free"

[Snowball]

His studs do not touch Harte's anke-instep, the studs graze the shin and then hit the ground. The contact between knees is more minimal than the contact with the shin. I really must be looking at a different video to you, so I think well have to agree to disagree, if you can manage that?

Yes, I'm more than happy to accept you're wrong.

[Stranded]

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I can't disagree with much of that, except that Khiz for the first goal was anticipating the full back to cut the ball back and not take the shot. He just anticipated wrong but Hunt put him in that position.

Strongly disagree.

He allows the player a free shot at goal, a totally free shot from 6-7 yards out.

That's a cardinal crime for a defender

In that situation you make sure he can't get a clear shot of and
force him to square it, giving us at least a chance of intercepting
the pass, or the shot, if taken being less "free"

Totally agree there, Khiz made such a bad decision it's not even funny. At that range, your only thought as a defender has to be stop the shot. If he cuts it back and they score you've done the best you can.

[Wycombe Royal]

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I can't disagree with much of that, except that Khiz for the first goal was anticipating the full back to cut the ball back and not take the shot. He just anticipated wrong but Hunt put him in that position.

Strongly disagree.

He allows the player a free shot at goal, a totally free shot from 6-7 yards out.

That's a cardinal crime for a defender

In that situation you make sure he can't get a clear shot of and
force him to square it, giving us at least a chance of intercepting
the pass, or the shot, if taken being less "free"

What are you strongly disagreeing with? He made a mistake by anticipating wrong, but Hunt put him the psotion of having to make that decision? I've said he made a mistake and you are disagreeing with because you also think he made a mistake?

[Wycombe Royal]

His studs do not touch Harte's anke-instep, the studs graze the shin and then hit the ground. The contact between knees is more minimal than the contact with the shin. I really must be looking at a different video to you, so I think well have to agree to disagree, if you can manage that?

Yes, I'm more than happy to accept you're wrong.

There doesn't have to be a right or wrong. There are opinions which can be different. And you wonder why you get insults.

I knew you couldn't manage to accept to agree to disagree. It isn't allowed in your black and white world.