Ambition (not what you think).

[Rob-Royal]

But then saying :

At the end of the day, I buy a season ticket to watch my team, not the bottom line!

means that you don't care about the finances - one way or the other. If you're not bothered about the bottom line you lose the right to complain if too much - or too little - money is spent.

You select 1 line and use it to declare I don't care about finances...brilliant...despite the rest of my post.

I'm going to have real trouble sleeping tonight knowing that you have taken away my rights to complain...

[Svlad Cjelli]

I'm sorry that you seem to have taken this so badly - I just took your last sentence at the apparent face value ....

[Bandini]

With the best will in the world, Svlad, this beef with Rob is clearly nothing more than an attempt to cover up the slowest moving "ambition" related thread ever on the Team Board. Two and a bit pages since the 29th? Hopeless.

[Mr Angry]

Whilst the report is both worthy and neccesary, the fact is that the clubs WON'T change; their fans expectations (as represented by Rob Royal in this thread) will always overcome any financial prudency for certain clubs, and those clubs will continually block any changes to how things are currently done - because it is in their narrow self interest to do so (especially with the perceived rewards of promotion to the Premiership being worth £Millions to a teams' owners)

I appreciate that the highlighted conclusion implies strongly that unless changes ARE made, legislation will be brought in; however, there was no timescale in the quoted paragraph for when the changes detailed in the report have to be carried out before legislation is to be proposed. As a result, I suspect that it will take ANOTHER committee in a few years time to actually give teeth to such recommendations with timescales for when changes have to be made, and only if changes aren't made, will someone propose legislation to force through changes.

Even then, there is no guarantee that time will be found in busy Government legislative schedules to push through such legislation - and thats before you have MP's who have been lobbied by clubs in their constituencies to block the legislation.

So, whilst I agree that something needs to be done, and that the suggestions made are good ones, I'm sorry to be cynical but imho, absolutely nothing will change for at least 10 years following this report.

[Ian Royal]

and thats before you have MP's who have been "lobbied" by clubs in their constituencies to block the legislation.

[Platypuss]

But then saying :

At the end of the day, I buy a season ticket to watch my team, not the bottom line!

means that you don't care about the finances - one way or the other.

No it doesn't. It really doesn't.

[brendywendy]

great article on ambition on th etilehurst end blog thingy, buy some bloke or other


a very good read imo

[brendywendy]

can i just say that i was pretty disappointed in aidy and geordy on BBCRB last night, slating the clubs finances, and sticking some pretty heavy innuendo in theer about where the money is actually going.
i know you cant expect ex proffessional players to be the brainiest, but jeeeesus

[Hoop Blah]

As I said the other day though, it will be exactly how the players within the squad will be thinking as well.

We saw the effect on a number of players that our lack of ambition had in 2007. There is a danger that our current players will be wondering how much the club want to provide them with the right opportunities to succeed and then get a bit disillusioned or demotivated at times.

They both had a point that the club do need to invest some of the inbound money. The books must look pretty tasty after all the money that's come in over the last couple of years, if it doesn't get spent on improving the playing staff then we will, as they both said, suffer in the long term.

[brendywendy]

but then they should also know how the club do their public statements, and that they never say how much money weve got to spend, who we are looking at, or where we think we are light.
so maybe waiting for the end of the window/see who we get in on loan , and then check the accounts when they are out to confirm that its all above board, before coming out and almost accusing the chairman of theft.

[Hoop Blah]

That's a bit sensationalist brendy.

I didn't hear anything that was anywhere near suggesting any wrong doing, just that with all the incoming transfer funds the club NEED to get players into the squad if they don't want to go backwards.

It's already 3 games into the season and ideally you want key players in for a pre-season not just coming in at the end of August. That's the aim, which obviously can't be the case in all circumstances.

The club have made a profit every year for the last 4 or 5 years. The books aren't that bad and do suggest that there is some money floating around that could be spent on the playing side of things instead of just paying off debts and improving the balance sheet.

[brendywendy]

That's a bit sensationalist brendy.

I didn't hear anything that was anywhere near suggesting any wrong doing, just that with all the incoming transfer funds the club NEED to get players into the squad if they don't want to go backwards.

It's already 3 games into the season and ideally you want key players in for a pre-season not just coming in at the end of August. That's the aim, which obviously can't be the case in all circumstances.

The club have made a profit every year for the last 4 or 5 years. The books aren't that bad and do suggest that there is some money floating around that could be spent on the playing side of things instead of just paying off debts and improving the balance sheet.

gooding clearly said after the game summat like ' i think we all know where all the money is going,' clearly indicating the chairman was stealing it.

the fact that our accounts are good, and there should be money to spend, is true. but until the window is shut/loans sorted how can we know if we are spending it or not, and therefore isnt it too early to go with this line?

[Hoop Blah]

If that's how you interpreted the conversation, and that specific quote then I think it confirms where The Verve got their inspiration from!

[brendywendy]

but theyd been talking about the chairman, and the money, and gooding specifically said it in response to that.

obviously he couldnt come out and say it outright that the chairman had been stealing/using it for his other companys it a that would be slanderous, but it was the clear implication, and thats why he thinly veiled it.

if the accounts up to last year didnt show that he hadnt taken a penny in loans or anything else from the club, id probably be grumbling myself. but they do. and it doesnt take much to check that out.

[loyalroyaldaz]

So if his comments were almost slanderous does that make you statement above, accusing him, libellous?