Back from the Swansea Game

[Royal Rother]

It's interesting that almost without exception the fans who were at the game are bemoaning a shyte performance and two lost points, yet in his post match interview McDermott was celebrating a point won!

Quite how throwing away a 2-0 lead can be a cause for celebration for a manager is beyond me and the fact that McDermott doesn't appear to recognise the value of points in this league is really worrying.

The fact he celebrated a point won suggests he very much recognises the value of points you muppet.

[creative_username_1]

. The above stat shows just why the players tired so badly; if you haven't got the ball you are working doubly hard to close down your opponents,

Shirley if you have the ball you have to work hard to find space. If you get back and are well organised i'd say the attacking team has to make some of the running. I'd like to see some decent analysis done on this rather than anecdotal

[parky]

It's interesting that almost without exception the fans who were at the game are bemoaning a shyte performance and two lost points, yet in his post match interview McDermott was celebrating a point won!

Quite how throwing away a 2-0 lead can be a cause for celebration for a manager is beyond me and the fact that McDermott doesn't appear to recognise the value of points in this league is really worrying.

The fact he celebrated a point won suggests he very much recognises the value of points you muppet.

I don't think that's what RB meant, he's saying McD should have said it was 2 points lost. FWIW 3>1 You muppet.

[Royal Rother]

So ok, you can't read. Thanks for clarifying the point. You RB's son I take it?

[Rex]

We threw away two points We didn't gain a point as we were in the lead.

[Ian Royal]

We threw away two points We didn't gain a point as we were in the lead.

I wouldn't bother, Rother thinks he's infallible.

[Royal Rother]

We were outplayed and came away with a point away from home, but because we found ourselves in the lead at HT and were unable to hold on to that we "threw away" 2 points?

So it's our fault we didn't come away with all 3 points?

Sorry, that's just a completely bollox way of looking at the game / result.

[ManchesterRoyals]

We were outplayed and came away with a point away from home, but because we found ourselves in the lead at HT and were unable to hold on to that we "threw away" 2 points?

So it's our fault we didn't come away with all 3 points?

Sorry, that's just a completely bollox way of looking at the game / result.

I understand what ur saying after the way we played a point is a bonus as we were totally shitte but at 0-2 up u could say it was 2 points lost

[Rex]

We were outplayed and came away with a point away from home, but because we found ourselves in the lead at HT and were unable to hold on to that we "threw away" 2 points?

So it's our fault we didn't come away with all 3 points?

Sorry, that's just a completely bollox way of looking at the game / result.

Cool down. Blimey. You have your viewpoint - others have theirs.

[Royal Rother]

[The Prisoner]

We are playing the same game plan as last year which relies on keeping it tight & a work ethic. We never really controlled or dominated games last year & rode our luck at times, but our wing play & tight defence meant we just about came out on top more often than not, even when we didn't deserve it sometimes (Brighton away?).

With (largely) the same personnel facing significantly better opposition we can't rely on that opposition giving the ball back if/when we concede possession & can expect to be punished more by better forward lines.

We built a head of steam up to get promotion & team spirit carried us over the line, but were we really THAT good? Let's face it - we overperformed, and BMcD should have noted the obvious weak areas & recognised that there are clearly personnel that needed strengthening to compete in the PL.

The fact that Karacan & Tabb was regarded as an option against a team that retain the ball so well & can pass their way round a rigid 4-4-2 is odd in itself. Yesterday we needed to retain the ball, stifle Swansea & counter attack, but even defending a fortunate 2 goal lead we kept 2 strikers on, kept giving the ball back & invited them onto us in waves.

I understand we are going to be outplayed in some of these games. But why try to "impose your identity" when 2-0 up? Get a midfielder on who can keep the ball & close the game out.

If we don't learn & learn fast we won't be in a position to attract the players we need in January to give us a chance of staying up.

[Gordons Cumming]

We are playing the same game plan as last year which relies on keeping it tight & a work ethic. We never really controlled or dominated games last year & rode our luck at times, but our wing play & tight defence meant we just about came out on top more often than not, even when we didn't deserve it sometimes (Brighton away?).

With (largely) the same personnel facing significantly better opposition we can't rely on that opposition giving the ball back if/when we concede possession & can expect to be punished more by better forward lines.

We built a head of steam up to get promotion & team spirit carried us over the line, but were we really THAT good? Let's face it - we overperformed, and BMcD should have noted the obvious weak areas & recognised that there are clearly personnel that needed strengthening to compete in the PL.

The fact that Karacan & Tabb was regarded as an option against a team that retain the ball so well & can pass their way round a rigid 4-4-2 is odd in itself. Yesterday we needed to retain the ball, stifle Swansea & counter attack, but even defending a fortunate 2 goal lead we kept 2 strikers on, kept giving the ball back & invited them onto us in waves.

I understand we are going to be outplayed in some of these games. But why try to "impose your identity" when 2-0 up? Get a midfielder on who can keep the ball & close the game out.

If we don't learn & learn fast we won't be in a position to attract the players we need in January to give us a chance of staying up.

Their could be other factors involved in team selection that we aren't privvy to.

I'll trust Brian and his aids to continue to show they know more about what they are doing than we do.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

And I have been made aware that some of those who took the train back this evening hardly covered themselves in glory either.

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I was genuinely a little embarrassed by some on the train journey home, not sure if they post on here or not.

From what I saw of them that's unlikely - they'd have trouble working out which way up the keyboard goes.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

. The above stat shows just why the players tired so badly; if you haven't got the ball you are working doubly hard to close down your opponents,

Shirley if you have the ball you have to work hard to find space. If you get back and are well organised i'd say the attacking team has to make some of the running. I'd like to see some decent analysis done on this rather than anecdotal

Now when out whole game plan was playing a high line and closing down Swansea at the back to try and stop them building anything. That means chasing the ball from side to side as the centre-backs pass it between them.

Hunt was good at this, as we Tabb & Jem, but you can only do it for so long - Hunt was knackered when he went off - and the other two were just as knackered but not replaced.

Roberts didn't play that closing down game - his only contribution to the game was to get a stupid, stupid yellow card within a minute of coming on - protesting about Swansea trying to steal 3 yards on a free-kick just outside their own penalty area!

[Alexander Litvinenko]

We were outplayed and came away with a point away from home, but because we found ourselves in the lead at HT and were unable to hold on to that we "threw away" 2 points?

So it's our fault we didn't come away with all 3 points?

Sorry, that's just a completely bollox way of looking at the game / result.

It's certainly our fault we didn't have an answer to Swansea, and didn't have a Plan B to hold onto a lead when we (very unexpectedly) discovered we had one. We played the same tactics through the whole game - and didn't change anything to match the state of the game as it progressed.

[Royal Rother]

Roberts is obviously above the average intelligence for a footballer but he is bloody brainless at times.

[Gordons Cumming]

Why can't we pass and move like Swansea?

It's not that difficult.......................

We need to learn to keep possession better or we're going down.

Did I say that?

[Alexander Litvinenko]

Why can't we pass and move like Swansea?

It's not that difficult.......................

We need to learn to keep possession better or we're going down.

Did I say that?

Perhaps a few years ago we should have appointed a manager who'd try and mould us into just that type of pass and move team......

[Ian Royal]

Why can't we pass and move like Swansea?

It's not that difficult.......................

We need to learn to keep possession better or we're going down.

Did I say that?

Perhaps a few years ago we should have appointed a manager who'd try and mould us into just that type of pass and move team......

But only if the manager realised he needed to manage his changes properly to ensure we were actually in the same division by the time he'd successfully completed them.

[ManchesterRoyals]

For me when we were 0-2 up we should taken a forward off and plugged the midfield with 3 players this might have stopped Swansea running the midfield and taken tabb off earlier than he was as he looked knackered