Wingers for 13/14

[Snowball]

So well that we conceded 4 goals?

Grow up. One goal was from 30 yards, central midfield, a total Feds error,
one goal was categorically offside, one was a pen (given away by Gunter?)
and the fourth goal was a breakaway with Feds caught upfield

and PS, against the European Champions on their ground..

[Snowball]

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He's played less so he's not had as much chance for people to see him do thigns wrong. The grass is always greener etc. He's come on and flattered a bit off the bench, looked quick and been greedy with a few shots a couple that have gone in. So people spunk themselves over him and carry on banging on about how McAnuff is shit because he doesn't constantly shout and win us every game.

Or he hasn't had the opportunity top settle into a role, into a partnership withe the RB
that was the best partnership in the championship and from which he scored 9 goals
and had 6 assists in just 1,890 minutes, almost a goal every other game (for Forest)
earning him their Player of the Season and a transfer to Reading FC..

I don't hear people saying McAnuff is shit, but some people are thick enough to make comparisons
like saying, "Look at all McAnuff's assists", when, in fact, McAnuff assist tally is POOR when you consider his minutes on the pitch.

[Snowball]

McAnuff was fourth best behind HRK, Kebe, & McCleary in terms of Goals (none) and Assists) last season

In the Championship season before he was marginally 3rd ahead of HRK but still behind McLeary and Kebe

Never mind McLeary, if we hang on to HRK, it's time that he got on the sheet before his old Captain. 183 minutes per goal for a young man is awesome and he should be even better next year.

2012-13 Prem - 13 (12) Appearances 1,279 Minutes 7 Goals - 2 Assists - 9 MCs - 142 Mins/Goal or Assist - 0,183 Minutes per Goal - Hal Robson-Kanu
2012-13 Prem - 16 (02) Appearances 1,333 Minutes 5 Goals - 2 Assists - 7 MCs - 190 Mins/Goal or Assist - 0,266 Minutes per Goal - Kebe
2012-13 Prem - 17 (16) Appearances 1,579 Minutes 3 Goals - 3 Assists - 6 MCs - 268 Mins/Goal or Assist - 0,526 Minutes per Goal - McCleary
2012-13 Prem - 38 (00) Appearances 3,266 Minutes 0 Goals - 9 Assists - 9 MCs - 363 Mins/Goal or Assist - 9,999 Minutes per Goal - McAnuff

2011-12 Champ 021 (01) Appearances 01,897 Minutes 09 Goals - 06 Assists - 211 Mins/Goal, 127 Minutes/Goal or Assist - McCleary
2011-12 Champ 030 (03) Appearances 02,597 Minutes 03 Goals - 11 Assists - 866 Mins/Goal, 186 Minutes/Goal or Assist - Kebe
2011-12 Champ 040 (00) Appearances 03,516 Minutes 05 Goals - 10 Assists - 703 Mins/Goal, 234 Minutes/Goal or Assist - McAnuff
2011-12 Champ 019 (17) Appearances 01,903 Minutes 04 Goals - 04 Assists - 476 Mins/Goal, 238 Minutes/Goal or Assist - Hal Robson-Kanu

[FridaysGhost]

[quote="Snowball"]Given that Drenthe MIGHT have disciplinary issues I think we will need 5, not 4 wingers, just in car

Why do they all have to fit in a car, Snowball?

[Snowball]

Given that Drenthe MIGHT have disciplinary issues I think we will need 5, not 4 wingers, just in car

Why do they all have to fit in a car, Snowball?

All the money's spent on transfers, signing fees and wages, so the players have to drive themselves to games

[FridaysGhost]

Given that Drenthe MIGHT have disciplinary issues I think we will need 5, not 4 wingers, just in car

Why do they all have to fit in a car, Snowball?

All the money's spent on transfers, signing fees and wages, so the players have to drive themselves to games

Fit them all into a Zafira and they'll be injured before they get to the match.

[St. Brynjar]

So well that we conceded 4 goals?

Grow up. One goal was from 30 yards, central midfield, a total Feds error,
one goal was categorically offside, one was a pen (given away by Gunter?)
and the fourth goal was a breakaway with Feds caught upfield

and PS, against the European Champions on their ground..

Can't argue with the stats, McCleary played and we conceded 4. Because I used stats I can make whatever conclusions I want.

[Ian Royal]

[Snowball]

So well that we conceded 4 goals?

Grow up. One goal was from 30 yards, central midfield, a total Feds error,
one goal was categorically offside, one was a pen (given away by Gunter?)
and the fourth goal was a breakaway with Feds caught upfield

and PS, against the European Champions on their ground..

Can't argue with the stats, McCleary played and we conceded 4. Because I used stats I can make whatever conclusions I want.

Of course. You're absolutely right. Of course McAnuff played, too. He played for 90 minutes + injury time and we conceded the 4th

McLeary played for 85 and we were losing 3-2. Therefore McAnuff is worse than McC;leary.


next idiot?

[St. Brynjar]

Grow up. One goal was from 30 yards, central midfield, a total Feds error,
one goal was categorically offside, one was a pen (given away by Gunter?)
and the fourth goal was a breakaway with Feds caught upfield

and PS, against the European Champions on their ground..

Can't argue with the stats, McCleary played and we conceded 4. Because I used stats I can make whatever conclusions I want.

Of course. You're absolutely right. Of course McAnuff played, too. He played for 90 minutes + injury time and we conceded the 4th

McLeary played for 85 and we were losing 3-2. Therefore McAnuff is worse than McC;leary.


next idiot?

Difference is I'm not trying to defend McAnuff. And I don't manipulate my stats to achieve my outcome.

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

[Snowball]

which stats were manipulated?

[St. Brynjar]

Not manipulated per say, but very selectively chosen - e.g. you chose to display minutes per Championship assist, but not Premier League where McAnuff comes out on top.

[Snowball]

Not manipulated per say, but very selectively chosen - e.g. you chose to display minutes per Championship assist, but not Premier League where McAnuff comes out on top.

I gave BOTH (but only 4 or 5 times(


2012-13 Prem - 13 (12) Appearances 1,279 Minutes 7 Goals - 2 Assists - 9 MCs - 142 Mins/Goal or Assist - 0,183 Minutes per Goal - Hal Robson-Kanu
2012-13 Prem - 16 (02) Appearances 1,333 Minutes 5 Goals - 2 Assists - 7 MCs - 190 Mins/Goal or Assist - 0,266 Minutes per Goal - Kebe
2012-13 Prem - 17 (16) Appearances 1,579 Minutes 3 Goals - 3 Assists - 6 MCs - 268 Mins/Goal or Assist - 0,526 Minutes per Goal - McCleary
2012-13 Prem - 38 (00) Appearances 3,266 Minutes 0 Goals - 9 Assists - 9 MCs - 363 Mins/Goal or Assist - 9,999 Minutes per Goal - McAnuff

2011-12 Champ 021 (01) Appearances 01,897 Minutes 09 Goals - 06 Assists - 211 Mins/Goal, 127 Minutes/Goal or Assist - McCleary
2011-12 Champ 030 (03) Appearances 02,597 Minutes 03 Goals - 11 Assists - 866 Mins/Goal, 186 Minutes/Goal or Assist - Kebe
2011-12 Champ 040 (00) Appearances 03,516 Minutes 05 Goals - 10 Assists - 703 Mins/Goal, 234 Minutes/Goal or Assist - McAnuff
2011-12 Champ 019 (17) Appearances 01,903 Minutes 04 Goals - 04 Assists - 476 Mins/Goal, 238 Minutes/Goal or Assist - Hal Robson-Kanu

[maffff]

2012-13 Prem - 1,579 Minutes - 3 Assists - McCleary
2012-13 Prem - 3,266 Minutes - 9 Assists - McAnuff

McCleary 526.33 m/pa
McAnuff 362.88 m/pa

Since I can only comment about GMac in a Reading shirt, you've proven me correct.

Also, How many of GMac's were Akpanesque shots that went wrong or were deflected into the path of a team mate? With Jobi you're more assured that he means to set up someone else....

[maffff]

2012-13 Prem - 1,579 Minutes - 3 Assists - McCleary
2012-13 Prem - 3,266 Minutes - 9 Assists - McAnuff

McCleary 526.33 m/pa
McAnuff 362.88 m/pa

Since I can only comment about GMac in a Reading shirt, you've proven me correct.

Also, How many of GMac's were Akpanesque shots that went wrong or were deflected into the path of a team mate? With Jobi you're more assured that he means to set up someone else....

[WestRoyal]

Drenthe will play off main striker in a free role I think. Will need to keep Kebe and Jobi with Mccleary as sub. Sell Robson Kanu ESP if get 2m plus for him.

I can't see mcanuff Getting in front of McCleary who is far more dangerous on the wings going forward

Even though McAnuff is still currently captain, played ahead of him under two separate managers last season, and has been our leading assister the last two seasons?

Just for the record, the FL website has Jobi down with the following assists:
2011/12 - 11
2010/11 - 7
2009/10 - 9
2008/09 - 8 (Watford)
2007/08 - 4 (Watford)

With Whoscored.com giving him 7 last year compared to McCleary's 2. McCleary got 7 the year before.

I'd really like to see exactly what you're basing that assertion on. I accept McCleary's likely to score more goals, but more dangerous? Goals on their own does not make him more dangerous.

GAme time buddy. You would expect a winger who starts every game to be right up there if not at the top of the assists chart hence why jobi is. I'm not basing it all on goals either, I have a higher understanding of the game than that. Please tell me how many of his assist were not meant apart from the one for Hrk at fulham. It not that I don't rate jobi not at all I just think garath has more to offer and I can see him improving especially under adkins. I cant see that for jobi

[Snowball]

2012-13 Prem - 1,579 Minutes - 3 Assists - McCleary
2012-13 Prem - 3,266 Minutes - 9 Assists - McAnuff

McCleary 526.33 m/pa
McAnuff 362.88 m/pa

Since I can only comment about GMac in a Reading shirt, you've proven me correct.

Also, How many of GMac's were Akpanesque shots that went wrong or were deflected into the path of a team mate? With Jobi you're more assured that he means to set up someone else....

HILARIOUS! That's REALLY scientific. Now we guess at McCleary instead of simply counting the goals and assists
and just "decide" that McAnuff never gets lucky or has a deflection

Quality, mate.

And you can't simply dismiss a players goals as if they don't matter! McAnuff wasted more than 40 chances last season and failed to score one Prem goal.

That is indicative of (a) useless shooting - always been poor and (b) selfishness

[maffff]

Can we get some statistics on how many of your 12657 posts weren't statistics or full of shit? [or more commonly, both].

[WestRoyal]

Can we get some statistics on how many of your 12657 posts weren't statistics or full of shit? [or more commonly, both].

C'mon buddy anyone can say that at least post constructive criticism

[Hoop Blah]

A few points to consider in the pointless debate above...

- McLeary plays a higher proportion of his minutes on the pitch towards the end of games when,relatively speaking, goals are more common
- McAnuff takes a lot of corners and the odd free kick and so a few of his assists over the last couple of season come from there, so a bit of an advantage
- Robson-Kanu has been thrown on, and started, up front a number of times and so a direct comparison against other wingers favours him a fair bit
- when we play 4-4-2 the wingers on either side often have slightly different roles and McAnuff's often appears to be more restrained and defensive than the other wing where Kebe, McLeary or Robson-Kanu either don't defend as well or, more likely, are told not to quite as much (Kebe much improved here obviously)
- McAnuff has played centrally for a significant amount of minutes, and not centrally up behind the forwards either so again makes winger comparisons a bit pointless

Basically I don't think the stats cover the above enough.