Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by Millsy » 25 Jan 2014 23:54

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2 world wars, 1 world cup Of course the you-know-who mongs of HNA will continue to try to make us believe that adequate money was there but Adkins chose not to spend it, just like Parj, Bodgers, Sir Steve, King Brian etc chose to have a worse squad. I can't believe usernames have not been changed yet to hide their embarrassment.


Er. not really.

Coppell said he had money to spend and chose not to. After he left.
No one has ever said Pardew had money to spend which he chose not to. It was fairly well documented that he got the hump when he wanted to sign a couple of extra players and was told they weren't good enough value for the money.
Rodgers spent a shit ton more than anyone else we've had for the level he was at and then reputedly asked for more and was shown the door. So wrong on that too.
McDermott said he spent everything he had. Zingaravich said he should have spent more. The truth probably lies somewhere between in that they agreed what to spend and used it, but realised later they should have shaken more loose to use.

I can't believe you haven't changed your username given how embarrassing it is even without the drivel you come out with sometimes.


Surprise surprise Ian you of all to get into a hissy fit over this. And yes you are always one of those I have in mind when knocking those who should be embarrassed by their pseudo-intellectual defence of the club.

My track record shows all the issues I've been right about and proudly so. This is another example. You talk some sense in many areas to be fair, but on this you are one of the prime posters who needs to hang your head on shame.

Sorry buddy, you f**ked up big time here and I commend you (but am a little confused) for your continued defence of your line. Having a stupid point of view is one thing, having it when cleverer people point or out and explain why, is quite confusing, but persisting with that point of view when the cats out the bag, youve been proven to be wrong and should be dissolving in embarrassment is quite entertaining! :). There was something wrong when we didn't spend. You defended the club. This time the truth is out and undeniable. I was right. You were wrong. Own up to being a f*ckwit on this one matey :)

Or you can continue to try pseudo-intellectual wriggling and excuse making. Tell me why money has always been available and its always the manager who chooses not to spend it bla bla w*nk w*nk. It's fun to watch :)

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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by Ian Royal » 26 Jan 2014 13:20

deLOLuded.

I've never said that.

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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by Once were Biscuitmen » 26 Jan 2014 14:10

RoyalBlue Go back further. McGhee was pissed off because Madejski wouldn't make reasonable funds available and, according to McGhee, wouldn't even tip the team coach driver. Jim and Mick are on record as stating that he wouldn't allow them the funds they needed to strengthen the squad during the latter part of their push for promotion. Madejski has form for not delivering on his talk of funding, and it looks like he's going to do the same thing this window. Yet still people fall in awe at his feet.




Lets have a quick look at the before and after SJM picture shall we?

For a bit of perspective he took a perennial 3rd tier club- which had flirted with oblivion- and delivered our most successful era of all time. He invested, guaranteed loans and consolidated us in the 2nd tier with two stints in the Premiership that I never thought we would see.

He's not getting any younger and his children have no interest in owning a loss making company competing in a business where only a handful of clubs make money in any given year. So he took the Anton money in the knowledge that much of wealth comes from his Father and sadly it has not worked out yet (if it will at all) but given we didn't have a line of indulgent billionaires in the queue anyway we aren't really any worse off than we would have been if the deal had never been made.

Indeed it was the Anton money that allowed us to sign Roberts which was a massive factor in our late season push for another title.

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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by Ian Royal » 26 Jan 2014 14:51

And whilst Anton's tenure has not met expectations, he's given us a Category 1 Youth Academy and 2nd promotion to the Premier League that adds a nice little boost allowing us to carry on competing at the top of the Championship just when the parachute payments had run out from the last time and our momentum in staying at the top end of this division may have been starting to slip.

Not only that, but his work in bringing in players like Pogrebnyak and presumably Drenthe, alongside the Marussia partnership, the links to Galatasaray(?), Juventus(?), and Oman are probably a significant contribution to the profie boost that has landed us two potential new owners to take over from him, now that things haven't gone to plan and his priorities have changed, for whatever reason.

Yes, the goals haven't all been achieved, things haven't gone to plan and Anton's jumping ship rather earlier than anyone expected. But I don't see how anyone can say we're in a worse position than we were before TSI showed up.

The thing about the way we're run is that it means incremental steps of improvement. Now that can mean things go slowly. But it also means that when something goes wrong we're not set back very far at all and it's easier to consolidate, rebuild and mount a new attack. Not for us the big gamble that might pay big, but might instead, or indeed also, set the club back a decade, if not more.

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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by Royal Lady » 26 Jan 2014 16:02

Ian Royal And whilst Anton's tenure has not met expectations, he's given us a Category 1 Youth Academy and 2nd promotion to the Premier League that adds a nice little boost allowing us to carry on competing at the top of the Championship just when the parachute payments had run out from the last time and our momentum in staying at the top end of this division may have been starting to slip.

Not only that, but his work in bringing in players like Pogrebnyak and presumably Drenthe, alongside the Marussia partnership, the links to Galatasaray(?), Juventus(?), and Oman are probably a significant contribution to the profie boost that has landed us two potential new owners to take over from him, now that things haven't gone to plan and his priorities have changed, for whatever reason.

Yes, the goals haven't all been achieved, things haven't gone to plan and Anton's jumping ship rather earlier than anyone expected. But I don't see how anyone can say we're in a worse position than we were before TSI showed up.

The thing about the way we're run is that it means incremental steps of improvement. Now that can mean things go slowly. But it also means that when something goes wrong we're not set back very far at all and it's easier to consolidate, rebuild and mount a new attack. Not for us the big gamble that might pay big, but might instead, or indeed also, set the club back a decade, if not more.

AZ has given us nothing - he used the club's money and we're probably in debt due to the academy changes now - no way in this world has AZ or TSI given this club anything at all - it's all been loans, which we'll still be paying off long after he's been forgotten about.


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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by philM » 26 Jan 2014 16:27

Nonsense. He gave us promotion and whatever profit he may eventually make will be a tiny fraction of what promotion earned us.

Even if it was all loans, they will appear as debts during due diligence and may affect the price the buyer pays, but I see no reason any new owner will want to hang onto the debt for years. They'll probably just amend what they pay AZ for his shares.

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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by Ian Royal » 26 Jan 2014 17:11

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Ian Royal And whilst Anton's tenure has not met expectations, he's given us a Category 1 Youth Academy and 2nd promotion to the Premier League that adds a nice little boost allowing us to carry on competing at the top of the Championship just when the parachute payments had run out from the last time and our momentum in staying at the top end of this division may have been starting to slip.

Not only that, but his work in bringing in players like Pogrebnyak and presumably Drenthe, alongside the Marussia partnership, the links to Galatasaray(?), Juventus(?), and Oman are probably a significant contribution to the profie boost that has landed us two potential new owners to take over from him, now that things haven't gone to plan and his priorities have changed, for whatever reason.

Yes, the goals haven't all been achieved, things haven't gone to plan and Anton's jumping ship rather earlier than anyone expected. But I don't see how anyone can say we're in a worse position than we were before TSI showed up.

The thing about the way we're run is that it means incremental steps of improvement. Now that can mean things go slowly. But it also means that when something goes wrong we're not set back very far at all and it's easier to consolidate, rebuild and mount a new attack. Not for us the big gamble that might pay big, but might instead, or indeed also, set the club back a decade, if not more.

AZ has given us nothing - he used the club's money and we're probably in debt due to the academy changes now - no way in this world has AZ or TSI given this club anything at all - it's all been loans, which we'll still be paying off long after he's been forgotten about.


That's how business works. Most owners don't just chuck money at clubs for free. :roll:

We have gained and achieved things that without TSI's takeover we wouldn't have, is the point you're so obviously missing.

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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by Royal Rother » 26 Jan 2014 19:20

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Manager Nigel Adkins spoke in depth to the local media this week about the tactics of regaining possession and how our whole team contributes defensively.

The boss discussed his strategic approach to the game, which gave us a thumping win over Bolton, the first time in almost 35 years that we have scored seven goals and winner of the LMA performance of the week award.

He said, "[Our approach is] Can you get the ball back as quickly as possible, so you can be effective when you've got possession.

"To do that, there's different ways to win the ball back. You can use a high press, and we've always tried to make their goalkeeper kick the ball because we believe our centre halves can win headers. You lock on, and that way the opposition don't control the tempo of the game. If you force the goalkeeper to kick it, it becomes a sharing ball, and who can land on it first - 'win the first one, land on the second one.'

"But sometimes teams can get out, for example Brighton were very good at breaking that block, so then you change from an attacking press to a mid-third block. You set traps, try to force the opposition into a blind alley and get the ball off them. Then with your pace you can counter-attack into the space that's been created.

"There's different ways to do it, likewise you can end up with a defensive third block and the spaces are even more narrow, so the opposition can't get through."

The Royals have employed the same starting XI for the last two games, and Adkins continued, "Having a consistent shape helps, but first and foremost you need a good defensive resolve, for which you have to work hard. When you win the ball, you have the chance to control the game.

"I've said before about Pav and Alfie leading from the front, their workrate has been exceptional. So with a front two working hard, then the two chucky eggs on the outside, the wider players. We're not asking them to be right out on the wing [defensively], they can come in and narrow the spaces with the middle two. It gets us up the pitch and the whole team contributes."

And of course, fitness plays a key role. "We analyse things in depth here. We want to out-run the opposition, we've talked about a periodised training programme with players getting fitter and stronger as the season goes on.

"Last week we were very clinical, scored seven good goals and the hard work on the training ground bore fruit."

Last but not least, Adkins received the LMA award with the whole group of players behind him, and said, "It was good. The award was there, the Sky cameras came down and took a picture with everybody together which is important – it’s not about individuals at this football club, it’s a team performance award and many, many people have contributed to that. I was pleased for the players."

Read more at http://www.readingfc.co.uk/news/article ... A2tLBhV.99


Yep, never says anything remotely insightful..


What a load of unadulterated drivel


A lengthy career in the game as a player, physio and manager with a few promotions chucked in would suggest it's probably wise to listen more carefully to him than a keyboard warrior named after his pubes.

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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by SHORT AND CURLY » 26 Jan 2014 19:42

So the fact that I am vertically challenged with hair like a Brillo pad is lost on you. :roll:

Any how back to the topic. What does Mr Cliche actually imply that Mr Ron Manager doesn't on a Sunday morning!


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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by 1871 not 1998 » 26 Jan 2014 20:00

philM Nonsense. He gave us promotion and whatever profit he may eventually make will be a tiny fraction of what promotion earned us.


This seasons parachute payment that is due end of the season has already been spent, minus the % owed back to the bank for the initial loan. We wouldn't have done that if we weren't up shit street! Even Charlie Watts and the Post said you'll have to look to Russia for where the Mariappa and Kebe money went...

It really is time to for some of you to wake up. We got shafted!

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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by Royal Rother » 26 Jan 2014 23:30

SHORT AND CURLY So the fact that I am vertically challenged with hair like a Brillo pad is lost on you. :roll:

Any how back to the topic. What does Mr Cliche actually imply that Mr Ron Manager doesn't on a Sunday morning.


Oh I see now. I really had no idea. I'll look out for you. :|

Football isn't rocket science, so don't go looking for ground-breaking revelations from anyone about anything to do with it. That applies to everyone from Guardiola to Adkins to Martin Allen, all successful in their own way.

But NA's record does stand up to scrutiny so to label his brief explanation of how we are trying to play as unadulterated drivel is a little silly IMO.

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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by soggy biscuit » 27 Jan 2014 08:18

Royal Lady AZ has given us nothing. no way in this world has AZ or TSI given this club anything at all


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by Uke » 27 Jan 2014 08:50

soggy biscuit he have us good times RL.





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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by RoyalBlue » 27 Jan 2014 09:44

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Royal Lady AZ has given us nothing. no way in this world has AZ or TSI given this club anything at all


he have us good times RL. Not everything in life can be measured in monetary value




Didn't realise Anton had a stake in the club back in 2005-6!

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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by Wycombe Royal » 27 Jan 2014 09:56

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Royal Lady AZ has given us nothing. no way in this world has AZ or TSI given this club anything at all


he have us good times RL. Not everything in life can be measured in monetary value




Didn't realise Anton had a stake in the club back in 2005-6!

that's just being pedantic....... :wink:

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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by RoyalBlue » 27 Jan 2014 09:58

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Lets have a quick look at the before and after SJM picture shall we?

For a bit of perspective he took a perennial 3rd tier club- which had flirted with oblivion- and delivered our most successful era of all time. He invested, guaranteed loans and consolidated us in the 2nd tier with two stints in the Premiership that I never thought we would see.

He's not getting any younger and his children have no interest in owning a loss making company competing in a business where only a handful of clubs make money in any given year. So he took the Anton money in the knowledge that much of wealth comes from his Father and sadly it has not worked out yet (if it will at all) but given we didn't have a line of indulgent billionaires in the queue anyway we aren't really any worse off than we would have been if the deal had never been made.

Indeed it was the Anton money that allowed us to sign Roberts which was a massive factor in our late season push for another title.


One of my biggest issues with Madejski is that he continues to say things, which he then fails to deliver on and seems to go out of his way to raise supporters' expectations only to let them down by not delivering. How can anyone excuse him if transfer funding isn't available to Adkins this window when Madejski went seems to have gone out of his way to give an interview with BBCRB during which he gave a very clear commitment to that funding being available. He didn't have to do that. He could have qualified his commitment and Dellor even gave him a couple of opportunities to do so, but he remained firm in his commitment.

I also can't believe that someone who is lauded as being a brilliant businessman allowed himself to be stitched up and left with a pretty worthless minority shareholding in the club, with no apparent way of getting AZ and TSI to fulfil the second stage of the deal. In theory, I guess Anton and TSI could decide to shut down Reading FC and there is bugger all that Madejski could do about it!

I suspect if any of us was selling one of our valued possessions, we would make sure that we weren't left in a situation whereby we were only given 51% of our asking price and were left holding less than half of it (and therefore with no real control of the whole), which we couldn't easily sell and which therefore was pretty much worthless.

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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by melonhead » 27 Jan 2014 10:02

allowed himself to be stitched up and left with a pretty worthless minority shareholding in the club,


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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

by Extended-Phenotype » 27 Jan 2014 14:56

Just don't like JM when he talks horseshit about investment. Which is every transfer window.

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by No Fixed Abode » 27 Jan 2014 17:13

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Re: Adkins interview on BBCRB 24/01/14

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