by Nameless » 21 Sep 2017 06:41
by Theroyalbox » 21 Sep 2017 08:53
Jagermesiter1871Theroyalbox the thing that p!sses me off the most is the little gimp who posted it on twitter trying to sell the video for 50£ that's more punishable than what these lads did.
Harmless fun? if you can call it that but its certainly harmless if anything quite stupid. I'd imagine they will face punishment otherwise it'll happen again and again as people will think it can go unpunished. If the carriage was filled with football fans perhaps it would be more forgivable but people calling for life bans need to relax and lighten up a bit.
Personally I think its nice to see the youngsters come to the games enjoying themselves, but all you lot seem to think about is how chavvy they are.
Well that was a Rollercoaster. Are you condemning them or supporting them?
by John Smith » 21 Sep 2017 09:11
by Norfolk Royal » 21 Sep 2017 09:20
SCIAGNorfolk Royal Perhaps you could explain what charges would result in my scenario from the accidental discharge of a smoke bomb. That would be a bit more accurate than your ludicrous conflation. Neither did I say that no charges would result, merely that a deliberate act would be difficult to prove were the suspect to say it were accidental.
It's illegal to set off a smoke bomb in a public place, usually punished by a £70 on-the-spot fine.
It's also illegal to attempt to take a smoke bomb into a football ground. Saying "it was an accident, I meant to take it to the ground" could be incriminating. This offence is often punished with a prison sentence and banning order.
As always, the sensible legal advice for non-lawyers to give is "contact a lawyer".
by muirinho » 21 Sep 2017 09:22
John Smith It's a bit like being punished by your school for something you did down the park after school hours. Should really be a police matter only - could still have happened on a non-matchday.
by John Smith » 21 Sep 2017 09:55
muirinhoJohn Smith It's a bit like being punished by your school for something you did down the park after school hours. Should really be a police matter only - could still have happened on a non-matchday.
Except, if you were wearing school uniform, it wouldn't just be a police matter, it would be a school matter also. If you think kids don't get suspended/expelled from school for matters outside the school ground, you're very wrong.
From .gov.uk guidance
"Heads have the power to discipline pupils who misbehave outside the schools premises and outside schools hours"
Those idiots were in Reading colours going to a Reading game. The club can do what it likes to them.
by muirinho » 21 Sep 2017 10:21
John SmithmuirinhoJohn Smith It's a bit like being punished by your school for something you did down the park after school hours. Should really be a police matter only - could still have happened on a non-matchday.
Except, if you were wearing school uniform, it wouldn't just be a police matter, it would be a school matter also. If you think kids don't get suspended/expelled from school for matters outside the school ground, you're very wrong.
From .gov.uk guidance
"Heads have the power to discipline pupils who misbehave outside the schools premises and outside schools hours"
Those idiots were in Reading colours going to a Reading game. The club can do what it likes to them.
Can you help me get back in my box please muirinho
by John Smith » 21 Sep 2017 10:49
muirinho Hang on a sec, I just need to go fetch some nails
by Snowflake Royal » 21 Sep 2017 13:20
Norfolk RoyalSCIAGNorfolk Royal Perhaps you could explain what charges would result in my scenario from the accidental discharge of a smoke bomb. That would be a bit more accurate than your ludicrous conflation. Neither did I say that no charges would result, merely that a deliberate act would be difficult to prove were the suspect to say it were accidental.
It's illegal to set off a smoke bomb in a public place, usually punished by a £70 on-the-spot fine.
It's also illegal to attempt to take a smoke bomb into a football ground. Saying "it was an accident, I meant to take it to the ground" could be incriminating. This offence is often punished with a prison sentence and banning order.
As always, the sensible legal advice for non-lawyers to give is "contact a lawyer".
Presumably the offence you quote for the £70 on the spot fine includes an element of deliberation having to be proved and would certainly mean the person handing out the on the spot fine would have to see the person actually letting off the smoke bomb, deliberate or not. The person who let off the smoke bomb was not attempting to enter a football ground and would merely have to say that they were not intending to go to the match and were going to stay in a pub for the duration, or say they were going to let it off in public before the match. It would be difficult to prove otherwise.
Surely the easiest way to avoid any confusion would be to make it illegal to be in possession of a smoke bomb such as this in a public place.
by SCIAG » 21 Sep 2017 20:08
Norfolk RoyalSCIAGNorfolk Royal Perhaps you could explain what charges would result in my scenario from the accidental discharge of a smoke bomb. That would be a bit more accurate than your ludicrous conflation. Neither did I say that no charges would result, merely that a deliberate act would be difficult to prove were the suspect to say it were accidental.
It's illegal to set off a smoke bomb in a public place, usually punished by a £70 on-the-spot fine.
It's also illegal to attempt to take a smoke bomb into a football ground. Saying "it was an accident, I meant to take it to the ground" could be incriminating. This offence is often punished with a prison sentence and banning order.
As always, the sensible legal advice for non-lawyers to give is "contact a lawyer".
Presumably the offence you quote for the £70 on the spot fine includes an element of deliberation having to be proved and would certainly mean the person handing out the on the spot fine would have to see the person actually letting off the smoke bomb, deliberate or not. The person who let off the smoke bomb was not attempting to enter a football ground and would merely have to say that they were not intending to go to the match and were going to stay in a pub for the duration, or say they were going to let it off in public before the match. It would be difficult to prove otherwise.
Surely the easiest way to avoid any confusion would be to make it illegal to be in possession of a smoke bomb such as this in a public place.
by Norfolk Royal » 22 Sep 2017 08:37
by Snowflake Royal » 22 Sep 2017 08:54
Norfolk Royal On your point number 3 my response was in response to you saying that letting it off in a football ground was viewed as more serious and could attract a jail term. If the person said they were not going to a football ground and it couldn't be proved otherwise, then clearly it is a good defence.
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