Where does this end?

[Greatwesternline]

Is Dai really a bastard?

Dig around a little and there's most certainly negative commentary out there. People don't become billionaires in a communist state by luck or hard work. .

Think that could apply to all billionaires, not just ones who have made it in a communist state.

Dig around a little and there's most certainly negative commentary out there. People don't become billionaires in a communist state by luck or hard work. .

It's not a communist state though is it - not even remotely

Also, lol.

People are laughing but I dont know why. Is China a communist country? Sort of, but not really. Its a complete mish mash depending on how big the company / economic actor is that is trying to do something.

All three of these statements are true:

In China you can start you're own business and become rich rich rich, so it's a capitalist country,

In China any company can be shut down or controlled by the Government at the Government's whim, so its not a capitalist country.

In China foreign companies can invest and sell their products to the Chinese, [capitalist] but if you are a really big company there are lots of controls on how / whether the profits can be remitted back to your own country, [not capitalist] or as a compromise, you are made to work in a joint venture with a Chinese company, or else you won't be allowed to do business. [halfway house]

So economically, China is a capitalist country but in some circumstances it has extremely weak / non-existent property rights if the chinese government wants your slice of its pie.

China doesnt centrally plan its economy. China's income tax schedule isnt that different from our own. If we're not communist, why are they?

They are not a democracy. But that there plenty of non-democracies that aren't communist. For further discussion such as this, get on the Anything Else Board.

Or would people rather we have more discussion of whether the presence or lack of enforceable property rights is the biggest determinant of economic ideology within a country on the Team Board?

[Snowflake Royal]

Oh goody, GWL is here to give another boring lecture.

[Hound]

Oh goody, GWL is here to give another boring lecture.

[MouldyRoyal]

Oh goody, GWL is here to give another boring lecture.

He's not wrong though.

[Snowflake Royal]

Oh goody, GWL is here to give another boring lecture.

He's not wrong though.

Nor relevant.

[Greatwesternline]

Oh goody, GWL is here to give another boring lecture.

He's not wrong though.

Nor relevant.

Are you just embarrassed because you did the



emoji in response to someone saying China isn't communist, which, actually, is erm, the correct thing to say.

[Millsy]

This thread has gone on too long.

I think I'll start another one on the same theme.

[Hendo]

He's not wrong though.

Nor relevant.

Are you just embarrassed because you did the



emoji in response to someone saying China isn't communist, which, actually, is erm, the correct thing to say.

Better submit an update to wikipedia then GWL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_state#:~:text=Today%2C%20the%20existing%20communist%20states,of%20socialism%20in%20their%20countries.

And BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-49631120

And The Harvard Business Review

https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-china

[Snowflake Royal]

Christ, it's not hard is it.

Someone makes a point about someone making billions in China is unlikely to do so honestly, referring to China as a communist country.

So someone tries to argue the toss by saying China isn't a Communist country and then some other tosser rocks up to wave their economics BSc knob around and give us a lecture on how China doesn't fit communist ideals in some ways.

Who gives a oxf*rd whether China meets the technical definition of Communism in some or all elements of how its run. Its not relevant to the discussion. China identifies as a Communist state. The world identifies China as a communist state.

More importantly Dai Yongge is a useless cock who almost certainly made his money on the dodge. The actual point.

"Er... I think you'll find China doesn't actually conform to communist ideology economically".

"Yeah thanks Penfold, fuck off."

[Greatwesternline]

Nor relevant.

Are you just embarrassed because you did the



emoji in response to someone saying China isn't communist, which, actually, is erm, the correct thing to say.

Better submit an update to wikipedia then GWL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_state#:~:text=Today%2C%20the%20existing%20communist%20states,of%20socialism%20in%20their%20countries.

And BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-49631120

And The Harvard Business Review

https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-china

IT'S HAPPENING, ae IS SPILLING OVER TO THE TEAM BOARD. Success!!!

1) The Wikipedia article refers to countries that declare themselves "Communist" in their constitutions. That doesn't mean their economic policies in practise today (WTO membership) are still consistent with their constitutions set up as part of the cultural revolution. If you want to play the wikipedia game, the word "Communism" doesnt feature in the wikipedia page for China!

The UK contains all manner of constitutional historic artefacts that don't match the world we can observe today. For example our Head of State is "appointed by God" which you'd have a hard time proving to be true.

2) The BBC article is about the Chinese Communist Party, which does rule China, but its economic policies are no longer consistent with the name of the party. You see this quite a lot. You'd struggle to describe the Nazis as National Socialists. The UK Conservative party isn't really that conservative, it changes quite a lot and the Conservative Party's main ideology is no longer to conserve the status quo, its quite different to that now.

3) The Harvard article is an opinion piece by someone who is saying you can't really separate the authoritarian and non-democratic nature of china from the fact it has joined the World Trade Organisation and is therefore no longer communist.
So its sort of saying, China isnt communist because its a member of the capitalist club, but its still dodgy as hell and people shouldnt forget that.
Which is legit but what it doesnt say is that China is communist.

[Greatwesternline]

Christ, it's not hard is it.

Someone makes a point about someone making billions in China is unlikely to do so honestly, referring to China as a communist country.

So someone tries to argue the toss by saying China isn't a Communist country and then some other tosser rocks up to wave their economics BSc knob around and give us a lecture on how China doesn't fit communist ideals in some ways.

Who gives a oxf*rd whether China meets the technical definition of Communism in some or all elements of how its run. Its not relevant to the discussion. China identifies as a Communist state. The world identifies China as a communist state.

More importantly Dai Yongge is a useless cock who almost certainly made his money on the dodge. The actual point.

"Er... I think you'll find China doesn't actually conform to communist ideology economically".

"Yeah thanks Penfold, fuck off."

I havent got a BSc, I've got a BA actually

[Hound]

Fcuk me

[Jagermesiter1871]

Dig around a little and there's most certainly negative commentary out there. People don't become billionaires in a communist state by luck or hard work. .

It's not a communist state though is it - not even remotely

Complete idiot aren't you?

I'm not the thicko claiming that the only way to make money in 'communist' china is through dodgy means. There's plenty of legitimate wealth made in the country and plenty of successful businessmen there.

[Jagermesiter1871]

Is Dai really a bastard? Do we know what exactly is going on with his funds? Is he unable to get them out of China and if so why?

Assuming he is, and perhaps is worried to speak out against the CCP hence no public statement, is he really a bastard?

Yes, he's a bastard. He's the root cause of almost all our problems.

It is interesting Ian, who I always had down as a champion of inclusivity, suggests purely because someone is Chinese and wealthy they must be dodgy.

[South Coast Royal]

FWIW I agree with you on this GWL and have no problem, nor should any nobber have a problem with a topic going off piste-it happens all the time in the world of HNA.
So, with no apology for staying off piste, is England now a Christian country?

[Jagermesiter1871]

Nor relevant.

Are you just embarrassed because you did the



emoji in response to someone saying China isn't communist, which, actually, is erm, the correct thing to say.

Better submit an update to wikipedia then GWL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_state#:~:text=Today%2C%20the%20existing%20communist%20states,of%20socialism%20in%20their%20countries.

And BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-49631120

And The Harvard Business Review

https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-china

not knowing the CCP is in name only.

[Jagermesiter1871]

Christ, it's not hard is it.

Someone makes a point about someone making billions in China is unlikely to do so honestly, referring to China as a communist country.

So someone tries to argue the toss by saying China isn't a Communist country and then some other tosser rocks up to wave their economics BSc knob around and give us a lecture on how China doesn't fit communist ideals in some ways.

Who gives a oxf*rd whether China meets the technical definition of Communism in some or all elements of how its run. Its not relevant to the discussion. China identifies as a Communist state. The world identifies China as a communist state.

More importantly Dai Yongge is a useless cock who almost certainly made his money on the dodge. The actual point.

"Er... I think you'll find China doesn't actually conform to communist ideology economically".

"Yeah thanks Penfold, fuck off."

Genuinely interested in what sources you have that he made his money on the dodge? And any info on why after investing over £200mil he has stopped, despite still attending games and seeming to have an interest.

[Snowflake Royal]

Christ, it's not hard is it.

Someone makes a point about someone making billions in China is unlikely to do so honestly, referring to China as a communist country.

So someone tries to argue the toss by saying China isn't a Communist country and then some other tosser rocks up to wave their economics BSc knob around and give us a lecture on how China doesn't fit communist ideals in some ways.

Who gives a oxf*rd whether China meets the technical definition of Communism in some or all elements of how its run. Its not relevant to the discussion. China identifies as a Communist state. The world identifies China as a communist state.

More importantly Dai Yongge is a useless cock who almost certainly made his money on the dodge. The actual point.

"Er... I think you'll find China doesn't actually conform to communist ideology economically".

"Yeah thanks Penfold, fuck off."

Genuinely interested in what sources you have that he made his money on the dodge? And any info on why after investing over £200mil he has stopped, despite still attending games and seeming to have an interest.

Seeing as this is on topic and not stupid, I'll respond.

He made his money buying nuclear bunkers off the Gov on the cheap and converting them into shopping centres. China is a corrupt authoritarian state. If you think major infrastructure projects and selling off of state assets aren't riddled with corruption and graft there, I have a bridge you might be interested in buying.

Then of course there's the factor that pretty much anyone of sufficent wealth pretty much must have engaged in some degree of moral and or dishonest practice to get there.

Why has the money run dry? He was heavily invested in shopping centres. China was in semi lockdown for two years, that's going to have decimated his finances. One of his major company's shares can't be traded. He's pissed about £200m of his roughly £900m when he bought us up the wall on us.

He's bored of us. He bought us after a PO Final trying to buy his way into the PL and he's run us so shambolically that about 5 years later we're in the League One relegation zone.

Almost without fail every decision we know he's directly involved in has been a shambles and harmed us. The training ground is the one good thing he's done and that was planned under the Thais.

It's now just a case of trying to make him lose more face hanging around running us into oblivion than admitting defeat and selling up.

The pcunt is destroying our club. And he can oxf*rd off. Amongst other things.

[Millsy]

The real question is it possible to be racist to Chinese given that Chinese is also a type of food?

[Elm Park Kid]

Getting back on track - This probably ends with Selles and Bowen leaving the club and Dai being finally forced to sell up. He doesn't want to put any more money in, SLC are only going to lend us so much and no sensible person/company is going to invest a penny whilst Dai acts like absent owner. Even our CEO has gone missing. This ends with a sale or winding up order.