Management owe us an explanation why Harper Played?

[Stranded]

Picking Harper, who was fit enough to play, is hardly letting us down.

[Fezza]

I do not own or work for Reading FC therefore they owe me no explanation.

And if a business you've paid an awful lot of money into lets you you down, you don't ask for an explanation?!!

If you buy a very cheap car from a dodgy used car salesman you can't then act surprised when, after putting go faster stripes on it but flogging the engine, it doesn't work very well.

[Fezza]

Picking Harper, who was fit enough to play, is hardly letting us down.

Guess that depends on whether you believe better options than Harper were available!

[Stranded]

Maybe but if the manager had to explain every decision he makes re team selection to every person who disagrees, he'd never have time to do anything else.

[Huntley & Palmer]

I do not own or work for Reading FC therefore they owe me no explanation.

And if a business you've paid an awful lot of money into lets you you down, you don't ask for an explanation?!!

Thats like saying you should sit on board meetings at HSBC because you have a bank account with them. What a ludicrous comparison and the usual rubbish from RoyalBlue, the fans don't own the club. They pay for the priviledge of watching them

[jollyjiminy]

Harper takes a good general kicking on here as well as the fitness issue - fair enough in a way. Thing is though, I don't remember feeling rubbish about Harper towards the end of the Liverpool game, because he settled it with maybe one of the most significant bits of quality in Reading's history??? And he nearly levelled it v Man U. I think Reading have only had two real mega problems and a third lesser one, and i don't think its Harper's fault:
1. Overly depending on Shorey for crosses, which totally changes the style of play that Reading have been using. There's been no effective crosses from right wing for almost the whole season, and every opponent will have spotted that.
2. Being too inexperienced or too naive to deal with this level of confidence crisis. This is by far the most important thing of all.
3. I think that Sidwell is missed most because he broke up opponents play - usually by fouling them - without getting sent off. You could maybe blame Harper for not frightening people more (apart from Martin O'Neill)

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

It's what happens when you refuse/can't buy anyone.

IS what makes this season so annoying. Just buying 2 or 3 players and we'd have avoided most of the problems we'v had this season.

But it's not as if we didn't have a number of other options for him if he really was unable to play, which he clearly was, illness or no.

The problem was that at this particular point those other options were unavailable due to injury or would have meant moving a number of players around within the side.

What options? Even if fit Bryn or Fae are not good enough and there's no one else.

Injuries are no excuses, Harps hasn't had anyone pushing for his place this season. FFS Halls has been tried in centre mid!!

[brendywendy]

That sounds like Andy Hughes.

end product, and proven consistency says totally the opposite though

[Stranded]

It's what happens when you refuse/can't buy anyone.

IS what makes this season so annoying. Just buying 2 or 3 players and we'd have avoided most of the problems we'v had this season.

But it's not as if we didn't have a number of other options for him if he really was unable to play, which he clearly was, illness or no.

The problem was that at this particular point those other options were unavailable due to injury or would have meant moving a number of players around within the side.

What options? Even if fit Bryn or Fae are not good enough and there's no one else.

Injuries are no excuses, Harps hasn't had anyone pushing for his place this season. FFS Halls has been tried in centre mid!!

In your opinion, a fit Gunna with Matejovsky could work.

I'm not Gunna's biggest fan but he has defensive qualities that we need and I would welcome him back in the side if he was fit....

As I said before it may just be coincidence, but the run of defeats has come on the back of him not being available following a 5 game unbeaten run.

[brendywendy]

I do not own or work for Reading FC therefore they owe me no explanation.

And if a business you've paid an awful lot of money into lets you you down, you don't ask for an explanation?!!

i have ploughed a hell of a lot of money into macdonalds, and the mandela court operation

if my burger is slightly cold, or my drugs are underweight i expect neither explanation or redress

[Hoop Blah]

In your opinion, a fit Gunna with Matejovsky could work.

I'm not Gunna's biggest fan but he has defensive qualities that we need and I would welcome him back in the side if he was fit....

As I said before it may just be coincidence, but the run of defeats has come on the back of him not being available following a 5 game unbeaten run.

I think your right there Stranded, the bad run has come since Gunnarsson has been unavailable. The problem is that we had some pretty bad performances and results when he was in the side too and then we've not had an effective replacement who can add those defensive, and purely physical qualities you rightly say we're missing.

I think thats kind of the point thats been made. We haven't got the options to improve upon, replace or provide competition for the likes of Gunnarsson or Harper who have been our first choice midfield pairing.

Matejovsky now looks like a good option instead of Harper, but the two of them together in there without a Gunnarsson type player? Doesn't look strong enough to me unfortunately. Thats where we've let ourselves down.

[RoyalBlue]

I do not own or work for Reading FC therefore they owe me no explanation.

And if a business you've paid an awful lot of money into lets you you down, you don't ask for an explanation?!!

Thats like saying you should sit on board meetings at HSBC because you have a bank account with them. What a ludicrous comparison and the usual rubbish from RoyalBlue, the fans don't own the club. They pay for the priviledge of watching them

It's nothing like saying that - so more stupidity from H&P!

I'm not saying I should sit on a board meeting at HSBC just because I might have an account but if they or any other business (and as JM and all his supporters tell us, RFC is a business) provide me as a customer with a shyte product or service, I do have the right to demand an explanation from them and, to be fair to most normal businesses, they do provide one. Yes, we pay for the privilege of watching RFC and I also pay for the privilege of watching Virgin Media. If the latter provide shyte programming, their customers complain and ask for an explanation.

If you think that is rubbish then more fool you!

Anyone who puts up with paying good money for a crap product/service without complaining/seeking an explanation/redress is a mug! I would like to invite them to send me their bank account details and password so that I can pay their long lost inheritance into it for them!

[brendywendy]

And if a business you've paid an awful lot of money into lets you you down, you don't ask for an explanation?!!

Thats like saying you should sit on board meetings at HSBC because you have a bank account with them. What a ludicrous comparison and the usual rubbish from RoyalBlue, the fans don't own the club. They pay for the priviledge of watching them

It's nothing like saying that - so more stupidity from H&P!

I'm not saying I should sit on a board meeting at HSBC just because I might have an account but if they or any other business (and as JM and all his supporters tell us, RFC is a business) provide me as a customer with a shyte product or service, I do have the right to demand an explanation from them and, to be fair to most normal businesses, they do provide one. Yes, we pay for the privilege of watching RFC and I also pay for the privilege of watching Virgin Media. If the latter provide shyte programming, their customers complain and ask for an explanation.

If you think that is rubbish then more fool you!

Anyone who puts up with paying good money for a crap product/service without complaining/seeking an explanation/redress is a mug! I would like to invite them to send me their bank account details and password so that I can pay their long lost inheritance into it for them!

they may complain, but they get short shrift from them, totally appalling customer service
their only real option is to pick another provider
whic you are welcome to do in this instance too

[Hoop Blah]

It's nothing like saying that - so more stupidity from H&P!

I'm not saying I should sit on a board meeting at HSBC just because I might have an account but if they or any other business (and as JM and all his supporters tell us, RFC is a business) provide me as a customer with a shyte product or service, I do have the right to demand an explanation from them and, to be fair to most normal businesses, they do provide one. Yes, we pay for the privilege of watching RFC and I also pay for the privilege of watching Virgin Media. If the latter provide shyte programming, their customers complain and ask for an explanation.

If you think that is rubbish then more fool you!

Anyone who puts up with paying good money for a crap product/service without complaining/seeking an explanation/redress is a mug! I would like to invite them to send me their bank account details and password so that I can pay their long lost inheritance into it for them!

Thats a bit like saying you demand to hear an explantation for why the Eastenders writers killed off Dirty Den!

As it happens I think we get more than enough expanation and insight into the club as it is. How many other businesses give such a detailed insight into their weekly goings on as football clubs?

If you really feel as strongly that you deserve a explanation then I'd suggest you write the club a letter in the same way as you would to Virgin Media. Al you'll back, if your lucky, is a standard letter saying the manager picks the side he thinks best suited to winning the game, but I guess thats better than a call from a call centre in Bangalore from Virgin Media.

[soggy biscuit]

Anyone who puts up with paying good money for a crap product/service without complaining/seeking an explanation/redress is a mug! I would like to invite them to send me their bank account details and password so that I can pay their long lost inheritance into it for them!

A customer seeking an explanation and a company owing one are 2 very different things. The orignial post said that RFC owe the fans an explanation when in fact they do not.

[Get Carter]

Don't they owe us an explanation as to why Hahnemann, Murty, Oster are still in the team or why Wally cannot get defenders to stop giving goals away or why none of our strikers have scored one league goal between them in 2008?

[readingbedding]

Don't they owe us an explanation as to why Hahnemann, Murty, Oster are still in the team or why Wally cannot get defenders to stop giving goals away or why none of our strikers have scored one league goal between them in 2008?

Yeah, get Coppell to explain himself from a lecturn just by the Vicky staute.
If we're not satisfied, throw him in the Thames.

[Blue and White Toucan]

by Get Carter on 28 Feb 2008 20:41

RoyalBlue wrote:
Anyone who puts up with paying good money for a crap product/service without complaining/seeking an explanation/redress is a mug! I would like to invite them to send me their bank account details and password so that I can pay their long lost inheritance into it for them!

A customer seeking an explanation and a company owing one are 2 very different things. The orignial post said that RFC owe the fans an explanation when in fact they do not.

My point was really that Harper appeared in the EP on Monday saying 'I had been ill for 3 days, felt awful on the day and was sick during the game' almost making an excuse that we lost!!! Well in my mind I would just like to hear what SC, KD and WD felt about playing a player not at his best in what was billed as a 'must win' game. Now the must win factor can be taken how you like it but the Keepy up and blue and whit stuff was set uup to get a result on Sunday, and we didn't!!

Surely a fit Bikey could have fitted in next to Matejovsky? as just one scenario. Harper could have been on the bench.

It just does not seem to have been the right thing to do, IMHO, thats all.

And just a side note but who fell over in the centre circle chasing back and therefore did not get back to pick up Young for the first goal? Answer: Harper!!!

[readingtillidie]

Can they give us an explanation as to how he's been playing since August? Just a thought.

TRUE! ALL HE SEEMS TO DO IS THROW HIS HANDS AROUND AND SHOUT AT EVERYONE ELSE

WHY DID YOU WRITE YOUR REPLY IN CAPITALS HMM ?

I ALWAYS WRITE IN CAPITALS WHY?

YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON THIS SITE WITH OUT SOMEONE HAVING A GO

[Huntley & Palmer]

It's nothing like saying that - so more stupidity from H&P!

I'm not saying I should sit on a board meeting at HSBC just because I might have an account but if they or any other business (and as JM and all his supporters tell us, RFC is a business) provide me as a customer with a shyte product or service, I do have the right to demand an explanation from them and, to be fair to most normal businesses, they do provide one. Yes, we pay for the privilege of watching RFC and I also pay for the privilege of watching Virgin Media. If the latter provide shyte programming, their customers complain and ask for an explanation.

If you think that is rubbish then more fool you!

Anyone who puts up with paying good money for a crap product/service without complaining/seeking an explanation/redress is a mug! I would like to invite them to send me their bank account details and password so that I can pay their long lost inheritance into it for them!

It may have escaped your attention but football clubs aren't a normal business. You can't complain about the product being provided in the normal fashion, though it would be quite funny to see the reply you got if you tried. RFC already explain the reasons for their 'product' going wrong, it's called the post match interview with players and manager. As with any other product, if you believe it is not providing the quality your money demands. Then try another one and do us all a favour