Dave Kitson signs new deal

[Behindu]

So press reports are unreliable but you claim Aston Villa mad a big offer for Doyle. .

Problem on the comprehension front there Ern !

The fact is, your assertion that we are not a selling club is still ludicrous. .

Whether we are a selling club depends on us, not whether someone else has sold players !
Let's face it, the number of players we have reluctantly sold over recent years has been pretty tiny. You quoting (incorrectly) examples from a decade ago is pretty week. Especially when you get the facts wrong !

That we have lost a lot of players due to being out of contract..

As far as a list of players that have snubbed contract offer, there is no long list and I have mentioned the only ones of note,.

so which is it ?

and these players who could arguably feature in an all time RFC eleven. .

Scott Taylor might make the bench. Linvoy and Ashdown ? Don't think so...

It is only been over for the last few years that we have had sustained success and when we were in the TB1 & TB2 era, it is easy to argue we had no players that would interest the top teams in the country. I mean, could you see Carl Asaba getting into the Man Utd team, or Neil Smith becoming Liverpools new central Midfield enforcer..

Oddly it's not just the top 4 teams that buy players. As a Div 1 side we bought players, selling clubs sell to teams above and below thm who happen to have money...

The fact that you couldn't remember Adi Williams move to Wolves just tells me you are a silly little child, looking at things through his blue and white tinted glasses and won't accept the fact that we are no different to anyother club.

No idea what you are on ! The fact that you thought Adie was out of contract tells us a bit !

The fact that we have rarely had to sell our top players in recent years tells me we are not essentially a selling club. It happened in years gone by (shall I help you by referring to Dixon, Webb, Sanchez, Senior, Horrix, Wood as players we cashed in on in years gone by) but for a long time now we've looked to keep players on long deals rather than take the money and run.

[Big Ern]

That we have lost a lot of players due to being out of contract..

As far as a list of players that have snubbed contract offer, there is no long list and I have mentioned the only ones of note,.

so which is it ?

How do you quantify 'alot'. That is up to everyones dicretion and to pick up such a thing is childish.

No idea what you are on ! The fact that you thought Adie was out of contract tells us a bit !

It does tell us a great amount, unforunately about you. Adi refused to sign a contract with us which allowed him to join Wolves at the end of the 95-96 season - FACT. We got money because this happened before the Bosman ruling came into affect,

You haven't got a clue pal, and the more you rant and rave trying to justify your absurd comments is quite sad. However is you so strongly believe we are not a selling club, then good luck to you. Enjoy living in that fools paradise, because like it or not, it is only a matter of time before one of our first players gets sold off when a large offer comes in.

[Behindu]

Ern. It clearly means a lot to you, no idea why.

Compare our record with the likes of West Ham, Forest, Southampton - probably the vast majority of clubs and in recent years (when we've had our best players) we've not sold them.

You seem to be picking an arguement for the sake of it, I suspect that if your whole case of us being a selling club rests on Adie Williams in 1996 then it's a bit of a waste of bandwidth.

Mr M has regulalry said that part of his plan has been to esnure we could build a team, not sell one. He's been true to his word and all the signs are that it is the way we will continue to operate.

I suspect you will end your next post with a whoosh as I'm not sure what other reason there can be for your over the top reaction !

Love and kisses...

[Big Ern]

Ern. It clearly means a lot to you, no idea why.

Compare our record with the likes of West Ham, Forest, Southampton - probably the vast majority of clubs and in recent years (when we've had our best players) we've not sold them.

You seem to be picking an arguement for the sake of it, I suspect that if your whole case of us being a selling club rests on Adie Williams in 1996 then it's a bit of a waste of bandwidth.

Mr M has regulalry said that part of his plan has been to esnure we could build a team, not sell one. He's been true to his word and all the signs are that it is the way we will continue to operate.

I suspect you will end your next post with a whoosh as I'm not sure what other reason there can be for your over the top reaction !

Love and kisses...

Oh dear

We can't compare ourselves with the likes of Forest, Southampton and West Ham. These are clubs that have had sustained periods in the top division, therefore they would have had the players, at one point, that would interest the top clubs.

My whole case of us being a selling club is based on common sense, niot the Adi Williams scenario. An as I have said, he was not sold, but you can't seem to grasp this simple fact. If a big club comes in with a large offer, we will listen, just like any club will, I am realistic enough to know that.

Every club looks to build a team, so Mr Mad is only saying the obvious. Thsi once agin does not mean we will ignore a stupid money offer for the likes of Doyle etc. Mr Mad's hardly going to say we are a selling club is he.

[Don Finch]

This discussion has made my lunch time - would you say we're a buying club?

[Behindu]

Do you accept that for a very long time now Reading FC have not had a record of selling off their top players on a regular basis ?

Whether you think that at some unspecified date in the future an unspecified club may offer an unspecified amount for an unspecified player which we may or may not accept doesn't make us a selling club !

It's quite obvious that every club sells players at some stage but there is a difference between the clubs that regularly cash in on their stars in order to fund the running of the club (West Ham, Forest, Crewe, Saints....) and those that don't.

Reading FC have NOT done this for a long time and on that basis we are unequivocally NOT a selling club as I see it.

[aaronrfc]

Ern. It clearly means a lot to you, no idea why.

Compare our record with the likes of West Ham, Forest, Southampton - probably the vast majority of clubs and in recent years (when we've had our best players) we've not sold them.

You seem to be picking an arguement for the sake of it, I suspect that if your whole case of us being a selling club rests on Adie Williams in 1996 then it's a bit of a waste of bandwidth.

Mr M has regulalry said that part of his plan has been to esnure we could build a team, not sell one. He's been true to his word and all the signs are that it is the way we will continue to operate.

I suspect you will end your next post with a whoosh as I'm not sure what other reason there can be for your over the top reaction !

Love and kisses...

Oh dear

We can't compare ourselves with the likes of Forest, Southampton and West Ham. These are clubs that have had sustained periods in the top division, therefore they would have had the players, at one point, that would interest the top clubs.

My whole case of us being a selling club is based on common sense, niot the Adi Williams scenario. An as I have said, he was not sold, but you can't seem to grasp this simple fact. If a big club comes in with a large offer, we will listen, just like any club will, I am realistic enough to know that.
Every club looks to build a team, so Mr Mad is only saying the obvious. Thsi once agin does not mean we will ignore a stupid money offer for the likes of Doyle etc. Mr Mad's hardly going to say we are a selling club is he.

whilst you are partly correct, i dont think that this constitutes us as being a selling club. we do not buyt players then sell them once their value has increased to above what we paid. we generally try to keep hold of our best/ most promising players. selling if a big money offer comes in does not make us a selling club. it makes us a sensible club. if an offer comes in of above market value, unless a club is filthy rich, they are stupid not to accept, ie ashley young for £10 odd mill.

[Big Ern]

Do you accept that for a very long time now Reading FC have not had a record of selling off their top players on a regular basis ?

Yes. Can you accept that it is because, up until now, we have not had anyone bigger clubs would want to sign.

[Behindu]

Do you accept that for a very long time now Reading FC have not had a record of selling off their top players on a regular basis ?

Yes. Can you accept that it is because, up until now, we have not had anyone bigger clubs would want to sign.

Nicky Shorey, Steve Sidwell, Nicky Forster, Jamie Cureton, Dave Kitson, Graeme Murty, Martin Butler

[Behindu]

How do you quantify 'alot'. That is up to everyones dicretion and to pick up such a thing is childish.

If 3 is a lot then it doesn't leave much room for 'a few' , 'not many' and 'several' does it.

The man in the street would define 'a lot' as at least 7 and maybe as many as 10.

[Big Ern]

Do you accept that for a very long time now Reading FC have not had a record of selling off their top players on a regular basis ?

Yes. Can you accept that it is because, up until now, we have not had anyone bigger clubs would want to sign.

Nicky Shorey, Steve Sidwell, Nicky Forster, Jamie Cureton, Dave Kitson, Graeme Murty, Martin Butler

I did say up until now, and to my knowledge 4 of those players currently feature in the first team squad.

As well as Forster, Cureton, and Butler are concerned, they certainly lit up the Premiership didn't they

Forster was sold to us by Brum when they were in the Championship becuase they didnl't feel he was good enough. Even though he gave his all, he never scored that many goals for a striker and would not have made it in the Premiership

Cureton, failed to score many in the Championship for us, although he is doing well at Colchester. Once again, would not have hacked it in the Premiship, hence no offers

Butler was only goof for a couple of season before he go injured, but still hardly a player that woukld grace the Premiership.

You continue to clutch at staws.

[aaronrfc]

Do you accept that for a very long time now Reading FC have not had a record of selling off their top players on a regular basis ?

Yes. Can you accept that it is because, up until now, we have not had anyone bigger clubs would want to sign.

Nicky Shorey, Steve Sidwell, Nicky Forster, Jamie Cureton, Dave Kitson, Graeme Murty, Martin Butler

I did say up until now, and to my knowledge 4 of those players currently feature in the first team squad.

As well as Forster, Cureton, and Butler are concerned, they certainly lit up the Premiership didn't they

Forster was sold to us by Brum when they were in the Championship becuase they didnl't feel he was good enough. Even though he gave his all, he never scored that many goals for a striker and would not have made it in the Premiership

Cureton, failed to score many in the Championship for us, although he is doing well at Colchester. Once again, would not have hacked it in the Premiship, hence no offers

Butler was only goof for a couple of season before he go injured, but still hardly a player that woukld grace the Premiership.

You continue to clutch at staws.

since when has "bigger club" meant premiership?
when AP took over and we were close to getting relegated im pretty sure alot of the clubs in the second tier (chamionship, or Div 1 whatever you want to call it) would have classed as "bigger clubs" and IMHO some of our players, around those years would have been good enough for these clubs, yet we didnt sell, whether that was because of lack of interest, or unwillingness to sell

[Behindu]

So you think only Premiership clubs buy players Ern ?

What relevance does whether a player would make it in the Prem have to anything ?

Selling clubs sell to whoever will buy, it's not about finding the next Wayne Rooney and making £20 million.

Plenty of clubs would have paid decent money for a 20 goal a year player like Curo or a pacy winger like Fozzy. We don;t sell our stars though - we are not a selling club.

[Big Ern]

So you think only Premiership clubs buy players Ern ?

Jusus, there really is no hope for you. I did not state that, but it would be obvious for those with a brain cell or two that the bigger clubs tend to be in the Premiership (except Brighton). To me a 'Big Club' constitutes the likes of Spurs, Villa, Newcastle, Everton etc as well as the big 4, and correct me if I'm wrong, but they are in the Premiership at the moment. You are simply interpreting what I say to suit you and not using common sense. Then again you are only a child.

What relevance does whether a player would make it in the Prem have to anything ?

Sadly quite a lot, as those are the players we would have had to sell, but you still find it hard to accept the fact, that up until recently we have not had players that have been good enough to sell on to bigger clubs.

Plenty of clubs would have paid decent money for a 20 goal a year player like Curo or a pacy winger like Fozzy.

With such a eye for a player I can safely say you are Steve McClaren and I claim my £5


Also; Forster - Pacy Winger You fooking tool. Get back to your homework.


Behindu earlier today

[Coppelled Streets]

You quoting (incorrectly) examples from a decade ago is pretty week.

Weak!

[Hoop Blah]

Adie wasn't out of contract

When he left us to go to Wolves he was you tool.

Bloomin heck, we're digging deep back into history aren;t we !!

So Reading ARE a selling club, based on 3 examples so far back in history that most fans weren;t even watching the club and the financial situation was about as different as can be...

To be fair you did say decades!!!!

Selling a player is an option at any time and we're a rare club in that we have not been a 'selling' club for decades so people forget that for most clubs it's about finding a player and then looking to sell him asap.

We haven't been a selling club over the last few seasons no, I'm guessing thats mainly because our players were gambles that the Premiership clubs didn't want to fork out on. That may change in the next 6 months though so we'll wait and see.

If you count the decades you orginally stated then yes we're a selling club. We've sold our top players as and when a decent bid has come in. The rest we've had to keep on the wage bill until we could let them go for nothing because nobody really wanted them.

[Behindu]

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Behindu earlier today

It's going to take a lot more digging until I can unearth you though Ern !

[Hoop Blah]

So you think only Premiership clubs buy players Ern ?

What relevance does whether a player would make it in the Prem have to anything ?

Selling clubs sell to whoever will buy, it's not about finding the next Wayne Rooney and making £20 million.

Plenty of clubs would have paid decent money for a 20 goal a year player like Curo or a pacy winger like Fozzy. We don;t sell our stars though - we are not a selling club.

Cureton left us on a free and had to go to Korea to get a someone to pay him decent money. Nobody ever wanted to buy.

Forster was excellent for us at a time when we were challenging at the top of the Championship but he wasn't the most prolific and I don't remember any rumours of teams coming in for him even when his contract was running out. His previous record at a higher level than that which we were playing coupled with his injury record meant nobody wanted to buy him.

The only other players that had apparently attracted interest in recent years were the likes of Butler (who left to go to Rotherham), Andy Hughes (who we sold when we got a decent offer from a rival club), Allaway (who we sold as a promising youngster), Nathan Tyson (again sold to a lower league club) and Ashdown who left when we didn't want to lose him.

The current squad must have attracted some interest last year but apparently the likes of Everton, West Ham etc didn't want to follow up with decent bids for the Harpers and Shoreys as they were unproven. Theres not a lot of gambling on Championship players by Premiership clubs these days so unless you can give sound examples of when we've turned down offers for our players I don't see how you can say we've not been a selling club for any other reason than a lack of demand.

[Behindu]

To be fair you did say decades!!!!

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OK, using Ern's claim that 'lots' = 3 then I'll argue that 'decades' = 10 years !!

We'd probably agree that (as I mentioned) the Webb / Dixon / Sanchez / Senior era was a time when we were a selling club (and may just squeeze in as being 'decades' ago !!)

On that basis.....

[readingbedding]

There aren't too many players whon have left Reading over the last few years who we didn't want to leave.

A selling club to me, means that players who we want to keep attract big offers that is tempting for us and for the player in question.