CONFIMRED - Glenn Murray on loan

[maffff]

Everything suggests Clarke still wants him and the club will look at it, but it depends on Pardew, CPFC and other stuff.

[Nameless]

I would suspect Chelsea have way more ex Academy players at other clubs. Can't imagine that every academy player they have had in the last decade has quit the game entirely

[TBM]

Everything suggests Clarke still wants him and the club will look at it, but it depends on Pardew, CPFC and other stuff.

Despite some nob fans we have, Pardew actually likes us, so he may do us a favour

[mambo3]

Everything suggests Clarke still wants him and the club will look at it, but it depends on Pardew, CPFC and other stuff.

Despite some nob fans we have, Pardew actually likes us, so he may do us a favour

Dream on!

[mambo3]

Everything suggests Clarke still wants him and the club will look at it, but it depends on Pardew, CPFC and other stuff.

Despite some nob fans we have, Pardew actually likes us, so he may do us a favour

Dream on!

[Sutekh]

Doubt the future of Murray will be settled until late January as AP will went to have a look and see if he fits in there

Welcome to a month of an injured Russian and Blackman or HRK leading the line with Cox.

[From Despair To Where?]

Everything suggests Clarke still wants him and the club will look at it, but it depends on Pardew, CPFC and other stuff.

Despite some nob fans we have, Pardew actually likes us, so he may do us a favour

Dream on!

I wouldn't so readily dismiss that suggestion. We were the club that gave him his first shot in management and his reputation is built on what he achieved here. and I bet he wishes he had a chairman like Madejski at every club, one who just let him gert on with it.

Also, he's pretty vain so the pantomime villain nonsense sufficiently strokes his ego. To be honest, unlike McGhee, barring the odd barbed comment early on, he's taken the Judas stuff in pretty good spirits, so yes, I think he likes us.


However, if he thinks Murray can do a job for them, Murray won;t be back. I presume the option to buy has expired now that Murray is back at Palace?

[JC]

I wouldn't so readily dismiss that suggestion. We were the club that gave him his first shot in management and his reputation is built on what he achieved here. and I bet he wishes he had a chairman like Madejski at every club, one who just let him gert on with it.

Also, he's pretty vain so the pantomime villain nonsense sufficiently strokes his ego. To be honest, unlike McGhee, barring the odd barbed comment early on, he's taken the Judas stuff in pretty good spirits, so yes, I think he likes us.


However, if he thinks Murray can do a job for them, Murray won;t be back. I presume the option to buy has expired now that Murray is back at Palace?

I would not assume the option has expired. Nick Hammond has indicated there are discussions to be had but would not reveal the terms of the deadline day agreement

[sandman]

Everything suggests Clarke still wants him and the club will look at it, but it depends on Pardew, CPFC and other stuff.

Despite some nob fans we have, Pardew actually likes us, so he may do us a favour

Yeah but he hates Wenger so I doubt he's going to loan Murray to you.

[3points]

I think Mackie can play up front as well. I seem to remember him playing as a forward rather thn a wide player in the early part of his career at QPR. Try Mackie and Cox up front - lots of industry and defending from the front. Perhaps Mackie can become the new Noel Hunt.

[surrounded by saints]

The sun says (so it must be true )...that we're after Eoin Doyle from Chesterfield. I'd be happy with that. could see him becoming the new Kitson/Senior,

[Woodcote Royal]

Pardew liking us (or not ) will count for jack unless he decides Murray is surplus to requirements.

He is in a relegation fight with a limited budget and it will take a blinding transfer window for him to want to off load a decent striker.

And, even then, regardless of how much he likes us, there's more chance of hell freezing over than him letting Murray go on the cheap, which will almost certainly price us out of the market unless we are stupid enough top want to sign someone who could become another POG, Drenthe, Roberts etc when we've already go at least 3 on our books.

So, yes, it's as good as "Dream on" in my view.

[sandman]

The sun says (so it must be true )...that we're after Eoin Doyle from Chesterfield. I'd be happy with that. could see him becoming the new Kitson/Senior,

But how good is Dave's dad at football?

[SydenhamRoyal]

Why is everyone thinking the world will end if we don't get Murray? He aint that good and a bit of a prima donna.

Well he`s good enough to be our top scorer.

Joint top scorer. And Noel did play with Long Ian but he played more of a link role rather than proper out and out striker.

Long Ian?? Nah I doubt he has ever been called that ...

[SCIAG]

I've not seen a lot of them over the last couple of years, apart from the games that were shown on the telly/you tube so I'm basing my opinion on what I saw of Samuel before that and the limited bits I've seen via the clubs highlights and news since.

When I say that Samuel didn't previously appear to use his physical advantage that much (and it's not like he was a beast like Ikpeazu) I don't mean he could never out muscle a defender or hold a player off etc, it just wasn't really a big part of his game from what I've seen of him. I'd equate his playing style to more of a Torres or Darren Bent, with the ability to turn a defender and run away from him and score a decent mix of goals, as opposed to a more physical number 9 like a Roberts, Heskey or Shearer who used their physical power (Murray is similar but not quite so overtly physical) .

I think Darren Bent is a good comparison for Samuel. Old fashioned pacey centre forward.

I think his problem is going to be that he just doesn't excel at anything. He's not as quick as Long or Fozzy (or Torres or Bent in their primes), he's not as strong as Murray. He doesn't have Le Fondre's movement, Kitson's technique or particularly good finishing. Instead he's got a bit of everything. That's not a bad thing, but without an exceptional quality it's hard to build a side around him. Ikpeazu isn't as good a player, but he has an obvious strength. We can't just chuck the ball up to Samuel, the team needs to be set up successfully already for him to do well. Although he does go on these crazy runs, they're less likely to work at professional level.

The other problem Samuel has is his running style. Like Crossdale-Taylor, he looks a bit like he's going to trip over at any second (and he does trip over more than most players).

Obviously the injuries have set him back a long way, but I don't think he's a short-term solution.

[mambo3]

I've not seen a lot of them over the last couple of years, apart from the games that were shown on the telly/you tube so I'm basing my opinion on what I saw of Samuel before that and the limited bits I've seen via the clubs highlights and news since.

When I say that Samuel didn't previously appear to use his physical advantage that much (and it's not like he was a beast like Ikpeazu) I don't mean he could never out muscle a defender or hold a player off etc, it just wasn't really a big part of his game from what I've seen of him. I'd equate his playing style to more of a Torres or Darren Bent, with the ability to turn a defender and run away from him and score a decent mix of goals, as opposed to a more physical number 9 like a Roberts, Heskey or Shearer who used their physical power (Murray is similar but not quite so overtly physical) .

I think Darren Bent is a good comparison for Samuel. Old fashioned pacey centre forward.

I think his problem is going to be that he just doesn't excel at anything. He's not as quick as Long or Fozzy (or Torres or Bent in their primes), he's not as strong as Murray. He doesn't have Le Fondre's movement, Kitson's technique or particularly good finishing. Instead he's got a bit of everything. That's not a bad thing, but without an exceptional quality it's hard to build a side around him. Ikpeazu isn't as good a player, but he has an obvious strength. We can't just chuck the ball up to Samuel, the team needs to be set up successfully already for him to do well. Although he does go on these crazy runs, they're less likely to work at professional level.

The other problem Samuel has is his running style. Like Crossdale-Taylor, he looks a bit like he's going to trip over at any second (and he does trip over more than most players).

Obviously the injuries have set him back a long way, but I don't think he's a short-term solution.

In reply to your message, just done some research.
Samuel and Bent have one thing in common they are both black, that's it. Have you ever played football and noticed that if you have close control and can dribble you are gonna go down on the floor more often then not ask Tanner The players you mention with exceptional quality That's your opinion which I respect and I am sure Reading looked at this when they bought in Murray, Le Fondre and Kitson and built the Teams around them or did they? Regarding running style maybe similar to crossdale-Taylor because he is Black too. Micheal Johnson 4 time world record holder+ 800 mt runner has a similar running style and he's black as well. What's your point? He's still 2nd top scorer in the U21 Leagues so who gives a shit how he runs, how strong he is, whether he has butter on his toast. Read the Internet he has played with the likes of beriahino of WBA, Keane of Man Utd for England U19. Correct me if I am wrong but scored 3 goals out of 4 internationals why don't you just say what you really want to say!

[maffff]

I can vouch for Samuel being black...

[Simon's Church]

Churchill wasn't black

[Sanguine]

I've not seen a lot of them over the last couple of years, apart from the games that were shown on the telly/you tube so I'm basing my opinion on what I saw of Samuel before that and the limited bits I've seen via the clubs highlights and news since.

When I say that Samuel didn't previously appear to use his physical advantage that much (and it's not like he was a beast like Ikpeazu) I don't mean he could never out muscle a defender or hold a player off etc, it just wasn't really a big part of his game from what I've seen of him. I'd equate his playing style to more of a Torres or Darren Bent, with the ability to turn a defender and run away from him and score a decent mix of goals, as opposed to a more physical number 9 like a Roberts, Heskey or Shearer who used their physical power (Murray is similar but not quite so overtly physical) .

I think Darren Bent is a good comparison for Samuel. Old fashioned pacey centre forward.

I think his problem is going to be that he just doesn't excel at anything. He's not as quick as Long or Fozzy (or Torres or Bent in their primes), he's not as strong as Murray. He doesn't have Le Fondre's movement, Kitson's technique or particularly good finishing. Instead he's got a bit of everything. That's not a bad thing, but without an exceptional quality it's hard to build a side around him. Ikpeazu isn't as good a player, but he has an obvious strength. We can't just chuck the ball up to Samuel, the team needs to be set up successfully already for him to do well. Although he does go on these crazy runs, they're less likely to work at professional level.

The other problem Samuel has is his running style. Like Crossdale-Taylor, he looks a bit like he's going to trip over at any second (and he does trip over more than most players).

Obviously the injuries have set him back a long way, but I don't think he's a short-term solution.

In reply to your message, just done some research.
Samuel and Bent have one thing in common they are both black, that's it. Have you ever played football and noticed that if you have close control and can dribble you are gonna go down on the floor more often then not ask Tanner The players you mention with exceptional quality That's your opinion which I respect and I am sure Reading looked at this when they bought in Murray, Le Fondre and Kitson and built the Teams around them or did they? Regarding running style maybe similar to crossdale-Taylor because he is Black too. Micheal Johnson 4 time world record holder+ 800 mt runner has a similar running style and he's black as well. What's your point? He's still 2nd top scorer in the U21 Leagues so who gives a shit how he runs, how strong he is, whether he has butter on his toast. Read the Internet he has played with the likes of beriahino of WBA, Keane of Man Utd for England U19. Correct me if I am wrong but scored 3 goals out of 4 internationals why don't you just say what you really want to say!

Why can't you just read SCIAG's opinion as an opinion, instead of reacting like Dominic Samuel is your Mum, and SCIAG did a poo on your Mum?

Seriously though - he's written his opinion on the guy as a player, and you're insinuating there are racial reasons for his post? Are you ok?

[Ian Royal]

Well that was an incoherent, riduculous rant up there with the best of them.