Failure to buy a striker

[Snowball]

We sure did SB, which just went to show that paying top dollar does not make a player play.

Just wondering how much we threw away

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

Was said they stayed on the Prem wages of about £1.2million a year, and a 40% cut was announced through the club, so 40% of 2.4mill, just under £1m, however as we had the Para payment it was there to use, imagine the furore if they had also left, along with the rest, and the rebuilding started from nothing.

ALso the crowds stayed decent for the season due to challenging at the top.

[brendywendy]

actually- the only promises JM made to me were delivered, in full, and then some
1:I think it’s more to do with the rhetoric we get when season tickets go on sale. The old classic “This reiterates my desire and determination to get this club back in the Premier league” bollox.[/color]
LOL at you taking risks with JMs money. risk your own why dont you
[color=#FF0000]2.As far as I can see, he hasn’t put a bean into the club since signing Leroy Lita. I, on the other hand have spent something like £5000 with the club in this time. While I accept that it is my choice to do so, I feel let down by his empty promises. On a positive note my eldest boy is becoming increasingly apathetic about going to matches at the moment, so it seems I may not have to pay out for one season ticket at least. The money I spend on the club will not be returned to when it is sold. So, I am risking my money while he is not risking his.
im not apologising for him- he doesnt need apologising for- apart from in the deranged minds of mongs
3.I don’t need apologies, just the truth would do.
your moronic use of the 'black hole every year' just shows how much of a mong you are. it doesnt come from nowhere each year purely as an excuse for him not to spend. we bring in less than we spent. as long as that happens(and weve gone a huge way in reducing wages to make sure it doesnt any more), and as long as companys have annual accounts there will always be a gap, every year. no need to get all conspiracy theory about it.
4.There is of course a disparity between revenue and costs. This is common to nearly all clubs in this country. The time when clubs could borrow money to meet deficits may be over, but the clubs already carrying these debts are fine so long as they can service them to the satisfaction of the creditor. We, as far as I know do not owe money to anyone. This may be fine for those who are financially responsible for the business, but it does make it very much harder for us to compete at this level. 4a. If JM cannot/will not invest money in the club then fine, I just wish he would come out and tell us. If we are to exist solely on the money we can generate as a business then I would rather yo-yo between the championship and league one, rather than shuffle around the middle of the Championship like an undead Zombie club. Every time we have a couple of players that are worth watching they are assets to the club on and off the field. I want to see players that get me out of my seat, players that can entertain and get us the results we all crave. If the future model of the club involves the selling of these assets in order to maintain JM’s position as the chairman, then I think the sooner he sells the better. 4.bDoes anyone here really want the spectre of a mid-table groundhog season year on year?
LOL at you for thinking that "club modelling themselves on arsenal, and having the aim of wanting to be as big as arsenal"="club thinking they are as big as arsenal
5.Sorry, don’t really understand this bit. Howe did say something along these lines, but I think you would be as deluded (as he clearly was when he said it) if you took it literally.

1. i think you need to look at yourself and be a little more media savvy. determination, and ambitiondo not = pouring own money away.
2.you pay 5000 pound to purchase a product, you arent risking it at all. you know what you will get for your money. for him he gets nowt in return for bailing us out, or we pay him back with interest, in which case he may as well not have bothered.
3.when has he lied, or failed to deliver on a promise?
4.i believe the reduction of debt to JM and banks is designed tio make us easier to sell.
4.a LOL!!!!!! hes been telling us that for frickin years you big doofus.
4.b yes! just like last time it itll take a couple of seasons like that to get the team right and ready to go up, and i for one am more than happy to flirt with th eplayoffs semi regularly until we in a position to do it again
5. my point is exactly that, modelling yourself on, one day wanting to be as big as, does not equal actually thinking we already are, or will be in any short term time frame, and i have no problem with our chief exec saying that that is our eventual aim.it should be the aim of every club in the country

[brendywendy]

actually- the only promises JM made to me were delivered, in full, and then some
I think it’s more to do with the rhetoric we get when season tickets go on sale. The old classic “This reiterates my desire and determination to get this club back in the Premier league” bollox.
LOL at you taking risks with JMs money. risk your own why dont you
As far as I can see, he hasn’t put a bean into the club since signing Leroy Lita. I, on the other hand have spent something like £5000 with the club in this time. While I accept that it is my choice to do so, I feel let down by his empty promises. On a positive note my eldest boy is becoming increasingly apathetic about going to matches at the moment, so it seems I may not have to pay out for one season ticket at least. The money I spend on the club will not be returned to when it is sold. So, I am risking my money while he is not risking his.
im not apologising for him- he doesnt need apologising for- apart from in the deranged minds of mongs
I don’t need apologies, just the truth would do.
your moronic use of the 'black hole every year' just shows how much of a mong you are. it doesnt come from nowhere each year purely as an excuse for him not to spend. we bring in less than we spent. as long as that happens(and weve gone a huge way in reducing wages to make sure it doesnt any more), and as long as companys have annual accounts there will always be a gap, every year. no need to get all conspiracy theory about it.
There is of course a disparity between revenue and costs. This is common to nearly all clubs in this country. The time when clubs could borrow money to meet deficits may be over, but the clubs already carrying these debts are fine so long as they can service them to the satisfaction of the creditor. We, as far as I know do not owe money to anyone. This may be fine for those who are financially responsible for the business, but it does make it very much harder for us to compete at this level. If JM cannot/will not invest money in the club then fine, I just wish he would come out and tell us. If we are to exist solely on the money we can generate as a business then I would rather yo-yo between the championship and league one, rather than shuffle around the middle of the Championship like an undead Zombie club. Every time we have a couple of players that are worth watching they are assets to the club on and off the field. I want to see players that get me out of my seat, players that can entertain and get us the results we all crave. If the future model of the club involves the selling of these assets in order to maintain JM’s position as the chairman, then I think the sooner he sells the better. Does anyone here really want the spectre of a mid-table groundhog season year on year?
LOL at you for thinking that "club modelling themselves on arsenal, and having the aim of wanting to be as big as arsenal"="club thinking they are as big as arsenal
Sorry, don’t really understand this bit. Howe did say something along these lines, but I think you would be as deluded (as he clearly was when he said it) if you took it literally.

SRD, you answer Brendy Wendy very well for me. Mind you, not that difficult when his arguments descend to calling anyone who dare challenge ‘Sir’ Madejski’s words and approaches. As we are dishing out the word mong, I would suggest that label best rests with yourself Brendy Wendy. Just how much exposure have you had to high levels of business, investors, banks etc? I would hazard a guess - and that is why you swallow everything you are fed. I would have thought ‘black hole’ is a very appropriate term given that to many a blackhole is something mysterious and which they struggle to understand. For years Madejski and his men fed us lines about how brilliantly run the club was and how financially secure. Yet despite that, they suddenly have to sell off our best players and reinvest virtually sod all of the proceeds. Still never mind, we are assured that has put this incredibly well run club on a sound footing for the future. Then guess what, season after season the same thing happens! Meanwhile Madejski continues to spout shyte about PL ambitions!! whilst showing about as action and ability in achieving that as fulfilling his stated desire to sell the club.

Of course, it is all the nasty bank’s fault for unexpectedly asking for its money back! Now I wonder why they did that. Could it have something to do with the fact that a certain individual who had become seen as the king pin of the club, very actively involved in the management with just a very small board and prepared to invest some of his own money, suddenly announces to the whole world that he wants out and stops investing/putting his own money at risk? Little wonder other investors grabbed their money and ran for the hills!!

And as other clubs continue to survive financial disaster and/or change ownership, our own chairman still can’t manage to sell his secure and incredibly well run club. Could that have as much to do with the individual as our rise to the PL?

i cant believe youve been out sensibled by SDR!
to the extent that i can be bothered to reply to him because he has posted coherently and with sensible points.

and i wasnt calling anyone who disagrees a mong. just you.

Of course, it is all the nasty bank’s fault for unexpectedly asking for its money back! Now I wonder why they did that. Could it have something to do with the fact that a certain individual who had become seen as the king pin of the club, very actively involved in the management with just a very small board and prepared to invest some of his own money, suddenly announces to the whole world that he wants out and stops investing/putting his own money at risk? Little wonder other investors grabbed their money and ran for the hills!!

LOL at you and your conspiracys. almost every club had an overdraught reduction. there was a credit crunch. the end

[Millsy]

The sheer stupidity of the Rectum Crew amuses me.

You are all thick b*stards.

The end.

[Sir Rodger Doyle]

1.i think you need to look at yourself and be a little more media savvy. determination, and ambitiondo not = pouring own money away.
I have just looked at myself and don’t understand how my perceived inability to understand the machinations of the media would preclude me from forming a view on the current state of my football club. How should the ambition and determination of a football club owner manifest itself, if it is not financial?
2.you pay 5000 pound to purchase a product, you arent risking it at all. you know what you will get for your money. for him he gets nowt in return for bailing us out, or we pay him back with interest, in which case he may as well not have bothered.
I did say that “you pays your money and takes your choice” but this is done against a background of positive but erroneous information regarding the prospective fortunes of the club. To say he gets nothing for bailing us out is frankly absurd. I wonder if someone knows how much the total investment by JM is worth compared to a conservative value on the club. I applaud the man for saving my club, but I am also entitled to question his running of it.
3.when has he lied, or failed to deliver on a promise?
Well, there was the whole increase in season ticket costs. This, I think we were told at the time that it would fund the signings we required to stay up.
4.i believe the reduction of debt to JM and banks is designed tio make us easier to sell.
How would he reduce the debt to himself? When did we ever have a debt to the bank? Why would he sell the club anyway when he can just sell the decent players we have to cover any operating loss? I feel that if he genuinely wanted to sell the club, he’d have done it by now. It seems convenient to me that he can absolve himself from any calls for financial investment by re-iterating his public desire to sell.
4.a LOL!!!!!! hes been telling us that for frickin years you big doofus. See above.
4.b yes! just like last time it itll take a couple of seasons like that to get the team right and ready to go up, and i for one am more than happy to flirt with th eplayoffs semi regularly until we in a position to do it again
We were closer to that position before we sold Gylfi. If we get close again, is it not likely that we would sell again?
5. my point is exactly that, modelling yourself on, one day wanting to be as big as, does not equal actually thinking we already are, or will be in any short term time frame, and i have no problem with our chief exec saying that that is our eventual aim.it should be the aim of every club in the country

[prostak]

The sheer stupidity of the Rectum Crew amuses me.

You are all thick b*stards.

The end.

Cool logic, bro.

[brendywendy]

I have just looked at myself and don’t understand how my perceived inability to understand the machinations of the media would preclude me from forming a view on the current state of my football club. How should the ambition and determination of a football club owner manifest itself, if it is not financial?

finacial prudence, good management, building a side etc.
my main point is that saying im determined to get this club back to the prem does not = ploughing millions of own money in.

I did say that “you pays your money and takes your choice” but this is done against a background of positive but erroneous information regarding the prospective fortunes of the club. To say he gets nothing for bailing us out is frankly absurd. I wonder if someone knows how much the total investment by JM is worth compared to a conservative value on the club. I applaud the man for saving my club, but I am also entitled to question his running of it.

so like i said-youve not risked anything. he has risked everything.
he gets nowt while we are in this position- only way he makes his money back and profits from th edeal is if he gets us back up imo

Well, there was the whole increase in season ticket costs. This, I think we were told at the time that it would fund the signings we required to stay up.

. he didnt say specifically transfers- he said spent on the squad. and i think we did sign players that 1st season, we also payed our best players decent wages to make them stay, then before the 2nd season we had club record bids turned down for numerous oplayers, and brought in lower cost replacements.
ergo- no lie there.imo

How would he reduce the debt to himself? When did we ever have a debt to the bank? Why would he sell the club anyway when he can just sell the decent players we have to cover any operating loss? I feel that if he genuinely wanted to sell the club, he’d have done it by now. It seems convenient to me that he can absolve himself from any calls for financial investment by re-iterating his public desire to sell.

by converting the debt to shares- by paying back some of his loans to himself-
the debt to the banks is well documented-including a 7 million pound overdraught recall due to the credit crunch.
since you know bugger all about what, if anything has been offered for the club,or by whom im not sure how you reach your last conclusions, unless its through bias and guesswork.

[Snowball]

One thing we should all realise is that McDermott and Mr Maj had
three pieces of good fortune = three big surprises


The amount of money for Sigg was, I suspect, a nice surprise, plus how it's come, ie: a fair bit up front.

On top of that we got that new striker Irish striker from Dundee or somewhere, and that very solid full-back, Stretch.

My guess is, for genuine, honest, prudent reasons, we have been waiting to see how good Hunt will be after his op
and we have very useful cover for Harte (IF Stretch's legs can take it) or Harte's replacement.

I know the usual knee-jerkers will leap on this post, but I seriously believe McDermott has a plan
and has been waiting to settle the side and seriously look at his options.

He's trying Leighterwood now to either sign him in January or try someone else
(also gives Tabb more recovery and strengthening time) and no doubt he's looking
for a fourth striker. As the Long-haters keep saying, a No 1 striker brought into
this squad and we should be top six.

I still feel optimistic that we'll be challenging for 4th-5th-6th, and that's more than good enough this season

[specialjon]

One thing we should all realise is that McDermott and Mr Maj had
three pieces of good fortune = three big surprises


The amount of money for Sigg was, I suspect, a nice surprise, plus how it's come, ie: a fair bit up front.

On top of that we got that new striker Irish striker from Dundee or somewhere, and that very solid full-back, Stretch.

My guess is, for genuine, honest, prudent reasons, we have been waiting to see how good Hunt will be after his op
and we have very useful cover for Harte (IF Stretch's legs can take it) or Harte's replacement.

I know the usual knee-jerkers will leap on this post, but I seriously believe McDermott has a plan
and has been waiting to settle the side and seriously look at his options.

He's trying Leighterwood now to either sign him in January or try someone else
(also gives Tabb more recovery and strengthening time) and no doubt he's looking
for a fourth striker. As the Long-haters keep saying, a No 1 striker brought into
this squad and we should be top six.

I still feel optimistic that we'll be challenging for 4th-5th-6th, and that's more than good enough this season

Keep posting like that, rather than your statistical rants and you'll find yourself a bit more popular on here You talk a lot of sense.

[brendywendy]

The sheer stupidity of the Rectum Crew amuses me.

You are all thick b*stards.

The end.

not as much as the members of the nobhead gang annoy me

[Ian Royal]

The sheer stupidity of the Rectum Crew amuses me.

You are all thick b*stards.

The end.

Really? The total inability to rationally deal with facts and instead go off on paranoic rants with little foundation in reality amuses me about the Madejski conspiracy theory crew.

[Wimb]

The sheer stupidity of the Rectum Crew amuses me.

You are all thick b*stards.

The end.

Really? The total inability to rationally deal with facts and instead go off on paranoic rants with little foundation in reality amuses me about the Madejski conspiracy theory crew.

^^^ this

[Millsy]

The sheer stupidity of the Rectum Crew amuses me.

You are all thick b*stards.

The end.

Really? The total inability to rationally deal with facts and instead go off on paranoic rants with little foundation in reality amuses me about the Madejski conspiracy theory crew.

ALOL. Touched a nerve with the thick b*stards did I?

I've won every rational debate with the Rectum Crew FYI. Using big words inappropriately doesn't make the Rectum Crew sound clever and certainly doesn't win the so called debate. It's a no brainer and it doesn't take those of us with four Oxbridge degrees to point it out rationally, TBF.

[FiNeRaIn]

I agree Ian, the facts are we've received the highest amount of outgoing players sales in the football league the last 3 years, on top of half of the premierleague as well. Out of that money we have invested absolutely diddly squat of it back on the team. That;s fact.

Reading FC...the only club being run like we are in administration, when we actually aren't.

[Row Z Royal]

I agree Ian, the facts are we've received the highest amount of outgoing players sales in the football league the last 3 years, on top of half of the premierleague as well. Out of that money we have invested absolutely diddly squat of it back on the team. That;s fact.

Reading FC...the only club being run like we are in administration, when we actually aren't.

Minimising debt > wringing the overdraft dry

[FiNeRaIn]

Which poses the question, how was the club so poorly run that we ended up having to sell pretty much every quality player we had...just to balance the books ( if this apparent debt really was that bad).

[Ian Royal]

If you can't see reality, it's not my problem. The money situation has been explained ad infinitum to you all and you just ignore what doesn't fit with your cozy little consipracy theories, which are lets face it, based on very little other than ignorance, disatisfaction and incomplete factoids.

I'd go through it all again, but it's an utter waste of effort and time seeing as you weren't capable of following it the first couple of dozen times.

Behave like a dick, get treated like one you bunch of retarded blinkered oxf*rd

[Millsy]

I agree Ian, the facts are we've received the highest amount of outgoing players sales in the football league the last 3 years, on top of half of the premierleague as well. Out of that money we have invested absolutely diddly squat of it back on the team. That;s fact.

Reading FC...the only club being run like we are in administration, when we actually aren't.

Which is why anyone who can't see it is quiet simply a THICK B*STARD. I normally don't stoop so low as to use insults like this (unlike almosts every member of the Rectum Crew) but it is a plain and simple matter of intellect. It is so simple, and TCR have been so comprehensively beaten in every debate I will not dignify the discussion any further.

[Ian Royal]

I agree Ian, the facts are we've received the highest amount of outgoing players sales in the football league the last 3 years, on top of half of the premierleague as well. Out of that money we have invested absolutely diddly squat of it back on the team. That;s fact.

Reading FC...the only club being run like we are in administration, when we actually aren't.

Which is why anyone who can't see it is quiet simply a THICK B*STARD. I normally don't stoop so low as to use insults like this (unlike almosts every member of the Rectum Crew) but it is a plain and simple matter of intellect. It is so simple, and TCR have been so comprehensively beaten in every debate I will not dignify the discussion any further.

The irony overload in this is unbelieaveable.